RD Adam Fox (2016, 66th, CGY; traded to CAR; traded to NYR)

[paragon]

I think he'd be foolish to go to UFA at the end of four years at Harvard as there is a good chance of a lockout that year and then he gets nothing. If he finishes his third year and then signs with the Canes, he'll get a signing bonus plus burn a year for the remainder of the season if he can play with the Canes enough at the end of the season. Then, if he still wants a Harvard degree, he can do that during the lockout year. Win-win for him.

That logic is flawed. I guarantee that if Fox goes the UFA route, every team in the league will be lining up to sign him and they will for sure give him the maximum signing bonus and all other bonuses, impending lockout or not. Free agency begins on July 1st and CBA is going to expire in September, so he has 2 months to get it done.

If I was in his shoes I would finish Harvard and pick the team I want to play for. It will give me the most money in short and long run, plus I get my degree.

Islanders is my hometown team, but Lamoriello is the GM, so big pass. Also picking where I want to live is pointless, because you can't count on it before you have a NMC. Just look at Tim Erixon, another Calgary drafted defenseman that wanted to play in NY.

So I pick a team that gives me the best opportunity to not only make the roster, but to play on the PP and rack up points, because that is the fastest way to big money contract. You will never get 1st PP minutes if you are behind established elite defensemen, playing no or limited PP minutes and/or as a 6th defenseman, or worse get buried in the AHL. Also the team has to be able to afford me and be willing to give me money on my second contract, so that rules out teams like Toronto and Tampa.

Pittsburgh would be a nice team, insane PP and only Letang would be an obstacle, but he's aging and always injured, so decent chance to get a opportunity.

Devils are close to family and also need a RD and provide good opportunity.

Edmonton could also be an option. Even Chiarelli has admitted that none of their defensemen know how to move a puck. Great opportunity to play 1st PP and with McDavid. They have Bouchard in the pipeline, but they still look like the best opportunity to get big bucks. Best situation, too bad it's Edmonton.

 

[MinJaBen]

That logic is flawed. I guarantee that if Fox goes the UFA route, every team in the league will be lining up to sign him and they will for sure give him the maximum signing bonus and all other bonuses, impending lockout or not. Free agency begins on July 1st and CBA is going to expire in September, so he has 2 months to get it done.

Actually, your logic is based on several flaws, and thus flawed.

First, not only will any other team be able to give him the max signing bonus, so will the Canes. So no advantage there for him to sign in one place or another. Second, for a college UFA, free agency does not start in July like all the other UFAs, but in August. The NHL will know if a lockout is likely going to happen in 2020 in September of 2019 when the decisions by the PA and the owners have to be made on weather to terminate the current CBA or continue it. This deadline is one year before Fox graduates. So he has a choice to make this spring without knowing the full details. If he chooses to go to free agency, he would be able to sign an ELC about a month ahead of a potential lockout. If all the teams know that lockout is coming, he may or may not get the signing bonuses he wants, but either way he'd have several years of ELC contract ahead of him. Now, if he chooses to sign with the Canes this spring once Harvard's season is done, he likely gets as good a contract from the Canes now as he'll get a year later, he can burn one year this spring and then burn a year next year. If a lockout occurs, then he has cash in his pocket from this contract so far and comes out of the lockout as an RFA with the last ELC year burned during the lockout. He would have earned money and burned some cheap years, something waiting to 2020 won't get him.

It is an easy choice.

 

[Icebreakers]

So should we just give him the Hobey Baker now? 20pts in 9 games is just ridiculous. He also has 5 goals in that 9 game span! I have not been able to watch him play this year, but those are some fantastic numbers. If he doesn’t sign with Carolina next year, he will be the highest sought after NCAA free agent that I can remember.

That trophy is cursed lol.

 

[L13]

You can always go back to school though. I have no idea about his economic background, but take the money now.

You can only have your senior year at Harvard once.

And Fox's family is pretty well off.

 

[2023FriendshipTour]

That logic is flawed. I guarantee that if Fox goes the UFA route, every team in the league will be lining up to sign him and they will for sure give him the maximum signing bonus and all other bonuses, impending lockout or not. Free agency begins on July 1st and CBA is going to expire in September, so he has 2 months to get it done.

If I was in his shoes I would finish Harvard and pick the team I want to play for. It will give me the most money in short and long run, plus I get my degree.

Islanders is my hometown team, but Lamoriello is the GM, so big pass. Also picking where I want to live is pointless, because you can't count on it before you have a NMC. Just look at Tim Erixon, another Calgary drafted defenseman that wanted to play in NY.

So I pick a team that gives me the best opportunity to not only make the roster, but to play on the PP and rack up points, because that is the fastest way to big money contract. You will never get 1st PP minutes if you are behind established elite defensemen, playing no or limited PP minutes and/or as a 6th defenseman, or worse get buried in the AHL. Also the team has to be able to afford me and be willing to give me money on my second contract, so that rules out teams like Toronto and Tampa.

Pittsburgh would be a nice team, insane PP and only Letang would be an obstacle, but he's aging and always injured, so decent chance to get a opportunity.

Devils are close to family and also need a RD and provide good opportunity.

Edmonton could also be an option. Even Chiarelli has admitted that none of their defensemen know how to move a puck. Great opportunity to play 1st PP and with McDavid. They have Bouchard in the pipeline, but they still look like the best opportunity to get big bucks. Best situation, too bad it's Edmonton.

Very doubtful he plays anywhere other than east coast USA.

 

[paragon]

Actually, your logic is based on several flaws, and thus flawed.

First, not only will any other team be able to give him the max signing bonus, so will the Canes. So no advantage there for him to sign in one place or another.

I didn't even imply anything to the contrary. I just meant that he will get whatever he wants, because teams have no power. Even Tolvanen got max everything on his deal even when they are usually reserved only for top picks and he signed with the team that drafted him.

Second, for a college UFA, free agency does not start in July like all the other UFAs, but in August. The NHL will know if a lockout is likely going to happen in 2020 in September of 2019 when the decisions by the PA and the owners have to be made on weather to terminate the current CBA or continue it. This deadline is one year before Fox graduates. So he has a choice to make this spring without knowing the full details. If he chooses to go to free agency, he would be able to sign an ELC about a month ahead of a potential lockout. If all the teams know that lockout is coming, he may or may not get the signing bonuses he wants, but either way he'd have several years of ELC contract ahead of him.

It doesn't really matter if he's UFA one day or 2 months before the CBA runs out. He's a hot commodity and no team is going to be out of the race solely on the fact that they don't want to pay him signing bonuses during the lockout.

Now, if he chooses to sign with the Canes this spring once Harvard's season is done, he likely gets as good a contract from the Canes now as he'll get a year later, he can burn one year this spring and then burn a year next year. If a lockout occurs, then he has cash in his pocket from this contract so far and comes out of the lockout as an RFA with the last ELC year burned during the lockout. He would have earned money and burned some cheap years, something waiting to 2020 won't get him.

It is an easy choice.

Yes, it is an easy choise. None of this is of any benefit to him. Carolina is a terrible fit, because he would be buried behind Hamilton, Pesce, Slavin and De Haan. I like Carolina and I feel for them, but if Fox does what is best for his career, he will not sign there.

Very doubtful he plays anywhere other than east coast USA.

I believe so too.

 

[Canes]

Who knows what Fox will do. If the Canes continue to miss out on the playoffs and still have a logjam at D, I could easily see him going the UFA route. If they finally turn the corner and/or clear out that logjam, I could easily see him signing in Carolina. Fox himself still might not even know what he wants to do or if he can be persuaded to do one thing or another. It's all speculation and wishful thinking by both sides until his college season ends in the spring. Obviously if he doesn't sign then, then he's most likely going to the UFA route. That's my opinion.

 

[SvechneJerk]

 

[madmike77]

I get the feeling he’ll sign in Carolina - if they get him into the NHL ASAP. They’ll likely need to let him burn a year on his ELC this year and then give him a solid shot at an NHL job next year.

Politically Calgary couldn’t really do that because it almost certainly would have upset Andersson and/or Kylington who spent a good chunk of time developing their games in the AHL.

 

[flamesforcup]

I hope he signs with Carolina for Canes fans sake and turns into something good.

 

[Son of Petter]

Hope he signs w Car as well. A good young team headed in the right direction

I hope he signs with Carolina for Canes fans sake and turns into something good.

 

[Negan4Coach]

When Fox inevitably signs here in Carolina, after all this claptrap about it we're going to go full "Dicks out for Harambe" mode on here. Just a friendly warning y'all.

 

[mikeyp24]

I remember his draft year I wasn't sure who I wanted more Fox or Peeke. We got Peeke and could have got fox too and didnt but seeing them both looking like studs in their senior year is fantastic. The NCAA is imo the way to go if you want to be a big name D prospect these days it seems like that is where the true shut down development is built. Especially with American born players. Guys like McAvoy, Werenski, Fox, Ghost, etc... love it.

 

[The Colonel]

4 Point game!

 

[TLP]

All pp?

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

He's going to get the same money wherever he goes, so why wouldn't he want to go the UFA route. It's hard to predict the pay structure of teams in the future when he does become a RFA, but even Tampa might be great choice to show off his offensive skills.

 

[wetcoast]

It will be very interesting to see where he will go.

It would be great for the Canes if they could sign him and salvedge a bit out of the right now extremely lopsided trade.

That being said the canes are stacked on defense and perhaps he will look at his best opportunity to prosper, ie get great stats and enhance his personal career.

 

[SaskCanesFan]

He's going to get the same money wherever he goes, so why wouldn't he want to go the UFA route. It's hard to predict the pay structure of teams in the future when he does become a RFA, but even Tampa might be great choice to show off his offensive skills.

Canes can get him to his next contract 2 years sooner, could be worth millions

 

[Kaners PPGs]

The NHL really needs to get rid of this rule in the next CBA.

 

[ONO94]

The NHL really needs to get rid of this rule in the next CBA.

Do they get rid of the one where foreign players are also UFA after 4 years if unsigned or the one where CHL players can choose not to sign and re-enter the draft after 2 years?

 

[Bevans]

The NHL really needs to get rid of this rule in the next CBA.

There is zero problem with this rule.

 

[The Podium]

The NHL really needs to get rid of this rule in the next CBA.

The rule is fine, the real problem is the NCAA rule. Players cannot be signed to a pro contract while playing college hockey. So if a player is not ready to make the jump, or if they want to finish their degree, they arent allowed to sign with their club. The 4 years to UFA thing applies to all non-CHL leagues, and in the CHL players can re-enter the draft after 2. The only difference is that the college route precludes players from signing while staying in their respective league.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

That logic is flawed. I guarantee that if Fox goes the UFA route, every team in the league will be lining up to sign him and they will for sure give him the maximum signing bonus and all other bonuses, impending lockout or not. Free agency begins on July 1st and CBA is going to expire in September, so he has 2 months to get it done.

The NHL changed this last cba. If Fox goes to UFA after his senoir season at Harvard, he can't sign until mid-August, when teams already have their rosters set for the most part.

 

[DFF]

I remember his draft year I wasn't sure who I wanted more Fox or Peeke. We got Peeke and could have got fox too and didnt but seeing them both looking like studs in their senior year is fantastic. The NCAA is imo the way to go if you want to be a big name D prospect these days it seems like that is where the true shut down development is built. Especially with American born players. Guys like McAvoy, Werenski, Fox, Ghost, etc... love it.

I would be shock if Fox is a shutdown dman in the NHL

 

[Kaners PPGs]

The rule is fine, the real problem is the NCAA rule. Players cannot be signed to a pro contract while playing college hockey. So if a player is not ready to make the jump, or if they want to finish their degree, they arent allowed to sign with their club. The 4 years to UFA thing applies to all non-CHL leagues, and in the CHL players can re-enter the draft after 2. The only difference is that the college route precludes players from signing while staying in their respective league.

Does it matter that the problem is the NCAA? As long as they have their "amateur" status BS, it precludes players from signing a contract. Why give players the option to go to free agency? In the case of CHL players and foreign players, they can sign contracts.