Rate Trelivings 2025 TDL

[Menzinger]

I'd say an A-

The Leafs needed impact players to be competitive, he got two of them with term and reduced caphit.

I don't care about futures right now so happy to see them moved out.

A very pleasant improvement over his last tdl. I'd like to see him be more aggressive with trade in the off-season, he seems a decent negotiator for them, but is often way too conservative about pursuing them

 

[Gabriel426]

This is the problem. They have to get the right players in the offseason and they have little trade pieces now for next years deadline. They are going to have to accept some quiet deadlines if they can't get it done.

So, we speak for the future outcome that we all fear is going to occur. Leafs won't win the Cup.

Boston was more sober in their assessment and said "people are overpaying, NOW is the time to strike and go for the strong rebuild because we aren't beating any of the team ahead of us in a playoff series".

This whole "go for it every year" only works when you KNOW you have the horses already and you just need that bump.

Now. The wildcard for this team will be their goaltending and their strong shut-down D.

If they fail again though, difficult decisions must be made.

I look at the trades today as trades that help the team in the next few years instead of this playoffs.
As we won’t need to spend and get a 3C or a top 4 RD again next season.
Let’s say they crash out in the first round again.
Having Carlo, Tanev, McCabe, OEL and Benoit for a combined 18mil is a bargain and a good foundation to build Defence forget next two seasons

 

[TheScandal89]

We gave up a lot of assets that other teams did without getting as good quality. Like Marchand over is probably better for this playoff run then Laughton.

But we filled in some needs and we'll have to see how it goes. The team is definitely better today and can potentially roll 3 decent lines with the 4th not being too bad either.

Defence should be better, Carlo's size and speed will hopefully help support Rielly. He doesn't have to be this wrecking ball, he just needs to be solid defensively and infront of the net.

I'm happy we kept Cowan aswell as theres a spot in the middle 6 spot waiting for him if he can put it together

Overall I give a B

 

[leafsfan5]

I've been one of his biggest critics, but after the dust has settled and we learned everything it deserves an A for one simple reason

One of my biggest issues with Treliving is he is too timid and doesn't put the chips down for a big move. With Rantanen he did that, offering the farm and willing to sign him to a big time extension. I respect the effort, even if Tuslky went with another offer

Today showed he has the balls to make big moves and my trust in him grew immensely as a result

Oh and Carlo was an absolutely great move

 

[Schennanigans]

I’ll give him a b. Addressed needs but I feel the price was too steep for these guys.

 

[SprDaVE]

I've been one of his biggest critics, but after the dust has settled and we learned everything it deserves an A for one simple reason

One of my biggest issues with Treliving is he is too timid and doesn't put the chips down for a big move. With Rantanen he did that, offering the farm and willing to sign him to a big time extension. I respect the effort, even if Tuslky went with another offer

Today showed he has the balls to make big moves and my trust in him grew immensely as a result

Oh and Carlo was an absolutely great move

It finally feels like there's a manager doing something. I agree. It might not work out this post-season, but at least there's a sense of urgency and a sense of actually trying to win. I wish he started this process much earlier but better now than never I guess.

Opinions will change with new information, so we'll see how things progress. If things go sideways, we'll see how he adapts. If things work out well, I guess we keep going.

 

[thusk]

forwards are not going to accomplish more when they continue to play perimeter hockey and do not fight for space, near boards, net front or engage in puck battles

If you're trying to produce at 3v5 and think you're gonna win the middle of the ice... Good luck to win you battle and it was a huge problem come playoff under keefe. D wasn't involve except when they was trailing late...

The worst serie was columbus series where D was looking to have a kind of elastic on their skate and everytime they goes 4-5 feet over offensive blueline, elastic was on and came back closer of the blue line.

To take risk, you need someone to cover you if that's doesn't work. If everytime you taking a risk and doesn't work the way you want but always resulting by a goal... You will just stop taking risk.

Just watch Florida, if Bobrovsky or a forsling/ ekblad, Mikkola and cie by exemple who was not able to cover every risk florida took last 2 post-season, they would had no choice to stop the way they played and they would struggle...They was taking risk because the guy behind was able to make the play they needed, so they was able to be pretty agressive and make thing happen... Same for tampa...

If you're not good enough, you need to change the way you playing and that's exactly whats leafs did over and over again in playoff

For the 1st time in mathews era, leafs having both Goalie AND d. That's never happened before

 

[Leafsfan74]

I look at the trades today as trades that help the team in the next few years instead of this playoffs.
As we won’t need to spend and get a 3C or a top 4 RD again next season.
Let’s say they crash out in the first round again.
Having Carlo, Tanev, McCabe, OEL and Benoit for a combined 18mil is a bargain and a good foundation to build Defence forget next two seasons

Yes, but this only works if they have the commitment to walk from players and accumulate cap for the UFAs next year and the year after.

Their D is set for at least the next two years. That's the right way to build a team.

These are the Leafs free agents after this year:

So, $22M off the books in JT and Marner. Approx 1.7M between Patch and Holmberg. 1.5M for Jani

That's a total of $25.2M to play with.

They need to decide if they walk from Robertson, which opens 875k but as an RFA and developed here, they probably sign him at this point, especially if he plays as he has. He will get a raise. Ditto for Knies of course.

I don't know what that leaves, but for argument sake, just spitballing for simplicity but say a total for both is $6.2M. That leaves them with $19M.

Apparently the cap is increasing by $7.5M, next year which means Leafs would have $26,5M to play with on UFAs. They need a 2nd Center and 1st line winger for that money and any cap space left over to improve the team as they determine.

26-27, two years from now, cap is expected to be $104M

By 27-28, the cap is expected to be approx. $113M, That's a $25M increase from this current NHL year.

Therefore, Leafs need to explore the UFA market with increased vigor as they don't have a glut of draft currency left. The only way they can hit the market hard is if they walk away, assuming they don't get hit by lightning this year and win a Cup.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

I'll show up every night for work and do my job.

For the most part I work just hard enough not to get fired. That's all anyone should expect from an employee. Same as how Treliving did the bare minimum expected of him today.

A deadline acquisition featuring a 3C and 2RHD is anti-climactic for a fan base looking for a big ticket item to take this team from pretender to contender.

It's the minimum Treliving could have done without doing nothing at all. The extra depth is nice but the team’s success depends on the same players it did before deadline. The exact same players who've failed miserably so many times before.

The price paid for Laughton and Carlo wasn't far from what Dallas paid for Rantanen.

One of these players is a difference maker. The other two are a waste of picks and prospects. The fact is Treliving went to work yesterday and did the minimum expected of him but that’s all he did.

I just wonder if he did enough he'll still have a job to show up to this time next year.

 

[colchar]

It is that simple.

Well there is something simple involved here..............

The assets are there, the need is there. Go out and make an attempt at a trade with willing parties

What makes you think they didn't?

We did overpay for Laughton to fill a need for a player with term on a team that was selling.

We could have done the same for 2LW looking to target one of the names from the below listing:

Rakell
Schwartz
Donato
Geekie
Garland
Tippett
Bobby Brink
Simon Holmstrom
Zetterlund (got dealt for a 2nd and a meh prospect to Sens)

The above were some options on teams which could entertain adding youth asset pieces like Danford, 2025 2nd, Robertson, they could all play LW and fit a top 6 spot next to 88 and 91.

We were not linked to adding another top 6/9 winger who can play LW which was an issue

If you are going all in then holding onto Danford a 1st whose value will lukely decline the longer hes a leaf is not a smart move.

Yeah like I said, there is something simple here.

 

[colchar]

If he knows Matthews is badly injured and won’t be healthy for the playoffs, then he shouldn’t have added anything.

Bullshit.

He didn't add rentals, he added players with term who will help the team for more than the next four months. If you can get them, you do.

 

[colchar]

I'll show up every night for work and do my job.

For the most part I work just hard enough not to get fired. That's all anyone should expect from an employee. Same as how Treliving did the bare minimum expected of him today.

A deadline acquisition featuring a 3C and 2RHD is anti-climactic for a fan base looking for a big ticket item to take this team from pretender to contender.

It's the minimum Treliving could have done without doing nothing at all. The extra depth is nice but the team’s success depends on the same players it did before deadline. The exact same players who've failed miserably so many times before.

The price paid for Laughton and Carlo wasn't far from what Dallas paid for Rantanen.

One of these players is a difference maker. The other two are a waste of picks and prospects. The fact is Treliving went to work yesterday and did the minimum expected of him but that’s all he did.

I just wonder if he did enough he'll still have a job to show up to this time next year.

Sometimes the worst thing about being a Leafs fan is other Leafs fans.

 

[Blanche Blanche]

After reflecting, I think it helps this years team a bit.

The real win, is next year. Cap is going up, we have our D and goalies locked in, should be able shop again and load the forwards up.

I like it. Leaves us room for how well Marner and Tavares look this year. We can retool huge with 22Mil off our books and possibly more cap as you mentioned.

Decent deadline.

They made the additions that were required to bolster the team. It at least allows them to stand a chance against Tampa and Florida.

These things will always come down to the core and how they perform anyway.

Yes. Our Goalies. The core 4.

I also like how we will have some room next year while Bolts and Cats spent alot for this year.


SO THIS IS WHAT A REAL GM IS LIKE

 

[Gabriel426]

Yes, but this only works if they have the commitment to walk from players and accumulate cap for the UFAs next year and the year after.

Their D is set for at least the next two years. That's the right way to build a team.

These are the Leafs free agents after this year:

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So, $22M off the books in JT and Marner. Approx 1.7M between Patch and Holmberg. 1.5M for Jani

That's a total of $25.2M to play with.

They need to decide if they walk from Robertson, which opens 875k but as an RFA and developed here, they probably sign him at this point, especially if he plays as he has. He will get a raise. Ditto for Knies of course.

I don't know what that leaves, but for argument sake, just spitballing for simplicity but say a total for both is $6.2M. That leaves them with $19M.

Apparently the cap is increasing by $7.5M, next year which means Leafs would have $26,5M to play with on UFAs. They need a 2nd Center and 1st line winger for that money and any cap space left over to improve the team as they determine.

26-27, two years from now, cap is expected to be $104M

By 27-28, the cap is expected to be approx. $113M, That's a $25M increase from this current NHL year.

Therefore, Leafs need to explore the UFA market with increased vigor as they don't have a glut of draft currency left. The only way they can hit the market hard is if they walk away, assuming they don't get hit by lightning this year and win a Cup.

You still needed to account McCabe and Woll new deal.

Personally, I look at it this way. Having Laughton and Carlo on the team at 5mil is a lot easier to build in the summer than having 5mil more. Now would they walk away from JT and MM? And whom can they replace them? Those are questions for the summer after the playoffs.

If they win the Cup, I could careless who they sign for the next decade, lol.

Like I said this deadline is literally the first TDL in the AM era where it both helps the team now and the future.

 

[Gabriel426]

I'll show up every night for work and do my job.

For the most part I work just hard enough not to get fired. That's all anyone should expect from an employee. Same as how Treliving did the bare minimum expected of him today.

A deadline acquisition featuring a 3C and 2RHD is anti-climactic for a fan base looking for a big ticket item to take this team from pretender to contender.

It's the minimum Treliving could have done without doing nothing at all. The extra depth is nice but the team’s success depends on the same players it did before deadline. The exact same players who've failed miserably so many times before.

The price paid for Laughton and Carlo wasn't far from what Dallas paid for Rantanen.

One of these players is a difference maker. The other two are a waste of picks and prospects. The fact is Treliving went to work yesterday and did the minimum expected of him but that’s all he did.

I just wonder if he did enough he'll still have a job to show up to this time next year.

Let’s say Leafs get Rantanen with 50% retention instead of Laughton and Carlo and somehow for the same assets including shipping Dewar and Timmins out. And let’s assume Rantanen also signed his extension with the same amount on the Leafs. This is how the Leafs look like.

Rantanen AM MM
Knies JT Willie
McMann Domi Robbie
Lorentz Kampf Calle
Holmberg

Reilly OEL
McCabe Tanev
Benoit Myers
Rifai being the next D up unless Hapanaka can play.

Really doesn’t give confidence in winning the Cup with that defence this year esp if someone gets hurt, Rifai being the next man up.

Following year, let’s assume MM and Knies can be sign for 20 mil combine. Rantanen will increase his caphit from 4.75 to 12 mil that’s a 7.25mil increase. Then you add the McCabe and Woll new contract which is about 5.5mil more than their deals this year. That’s pretty much cover all the money Leafs have.

so pretty much the same team in the playoffs minus JT.

Or have what Tre done even if MM and Knies sign for 20mil combine, Tre will have 9mil to get another 2C.
It is really Rantanen or Laughton, Carlo and a 2C like Bennett.

 

[arso40]

get Nylander playing with mcmann and laughton, 2 player working extremely hard... Maybe that will impact him by taking less shift off and following his teammate attittude

You want Willy playing his hardest put him with Matthews that should be obvious i get domi is more useful with Matthews but domi might find himself out of this lineup in general

 

[Dreakmur]

Bullshit.

He didn't add rentals, he added players with term who will help the team for more than the next four months. If you can get them, you do.

That’s why he got a B.

 

[Puckstuff]

I'm giving Tre an A+.

Let's look at the scope of work and the situation we were in.

- He had $5 million to work with to find a #3C and a #4 defenseman.
- The top-4 D *had* to be right-handed, in a market where good, young, top RD simply don’t become available.
- We needed the center to be a shutdown type guy with an edge.

That’s a very, *very* specific requirement, with not a lot of money to address both issues.

I thought with $5 million in cap space, he could maybe fix one of those issues—either #3C or a top-4 D—but addressing both for that price is truly incredible business.

And on top of that, he got players with both term and retention! Not to mention, both guys are only 28 and 30, meaning they’re in their prime and legitimate long-term pieces—not rentals. So giving up assets actually solves a long-term need.

Outstanding, honestly.

We’re so much better—both for this playoff run and beyond.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Really doesn’t give confidence in winning the Cup with that defence this year esp if someone gets hurt, Rifai being the next man up.

Following year, let’s assume MM and Knies can be sign for 20 mil combine...

If the defense wasn't good enough before Carlo it still isn't good enough now.

You worry about next year in the offseason. But if they acquired Rantanen and planned on keeping him I wouldn't be too worried about re-signing Marner. These trades look like desperation moves made once they saw what Florida and Tampa were doing.

If the Leafs don't get past either of those teams again both Shanahan and Treliving should be shown the door.

 

[notdoneyet]

I gave him a D

Every year this team gets owned by physical hockey.
No time no space . The other team finishing all their checks.

Our forward group is the softest in the league.
Who do we have to send out after the tkachuk
Bennett or Marchandafter they cheap shot our core 4.


Knies or Lorentz will answer the bell but the rest
Are too soft.

 

[leafs in five]

I'm skeptical of Laughton as 3C but that's just based on reading other people's stats. I like the Carlo move. it's cool they went after Rantanen as reported by Kypreos. I don't really care about the picks, these are end times.

 

[Hellcat]

I think he did OK with what he had to trade, I like that Danforth and Cowan are still Leafs. I like that he got two players with term and did not give up much, except for the 1st. Not sure these players move the needle from a Cup Pretender to a Cup Contender. These moves are probably more valuable for next year and the years following, than this years playoffs.

Carlo was a high 2nd rounder and Laughton was a low 1st rounder. If Laughton can get us his usual 40 points playing 3rd/4th line he will be a steal. Carlo brings more of what we need, big body dman who keeps the crease neat and tidy.

I would have liked to see a couple of more red meat bottom of the line up forwards that bring energy and elite defensive awareness. Can't have everything though.

The fact Domi will never have to play center again in a Leafs uni is a massive win. The two Connors are gone, that is a small win, one was useless and the other was a ticking timebomb.

Over all I think the TDL for the Leafs was quiet and purposeful. Hopefully he can lock up Marner and a couple of other impact top 6 guys in the summer. Would love to see Marchand join our 3rd line.

 

[thewave]

Ain't gonna lie. I thought Tre was going to wreck us with Schenn

 

[thewave]

I'm skeptical of Laughton as 3C but that's just based on reading other people's stats. I like the Carlo move. it's cool they went after Rantanen as reported by Kypreos. I don't really care about the picks, these are end times.

Same

 

[The Shadow]

I don't really care about the picks, these are end times.

What do you mean by that ?