Rate Trelivings 2025 TDL

[thusk]

You want Willy playing his hardest put him with Matthews that should be obvious i get domi is more useful with Matthews but domi might find himself out of this lineup in general

Basically everytime especially in playoff where leafs tried Nylander with Matthews, they was not good at all ( except 1 season)... but late in season/ playoff they came back pretty back together and finished to be split

If the defense wasn't good enough before Carlo it still isn't good enough now.

You worry about next year in the offseason. But if they acquired Rantanen and planned on keeping him I wouldn't be too worried about re-signing Marner. These trades look like desperation moves made once they saw what Florida and Tampa were doing.

If the Leafs don't get past either of those teams again both Shanahan and Treliving should be shown the door.

1-McCabe was not a spectacular move but really improved the D
- Tanev was not a spectacular move but really improved the D
-Carlo is not a spectacular move but he will improve the D and will clear guy like Tkachuk/ Bennet from the front of the net.

2- It was not respond for what florida or tampa did. Before TDL, 2 need people constantly talking about was 3C and top RHD and what's Tre bring in? A 3C and a top 4 RHD. Rantanen move would be a reaction of what they did but he would not fix any leafs need

 

[crump]

Solid B (B+ if that’s an option)

He filled the needs, and roles are filled (good but not great players) with term, so not rentals. Kept Cowan. 1st’s seem to be included for retention so the cost is market value.

A few later picks coming and going are inconsequential.

I like both players. I hope both can bounce back to earlier playoff versions of themselves. Neither having career years. Really up to Rielly to up his game now. You hope they gel.

By all accounts Laughton is a leader and intense so we’ll need that grit.

Found a taker for salary in Dewer and Timmins (5th coming back too)

 

[Strangle]

As normal, rate what we are giving Treliving this deadline day, hard to get a general consensus with different threads.

IN:
Scott Laughton (50% retained)
Brandon Carlo (15% retained)
Philly 6th Round Draft pick
Pittsburgh 5th Round Draft Pick.

OUT:
Nikita Grebenkin
Fraser Minten
2026 1st Round Draft pick
2027 1st Round Draft pick (top 10 protected)
2025 4th Round Draft Pick (Philly's 4th from Laughton deal)
Connor Dewar
Connor Timinis
Ryan Reaves (on Marlies, but off the roster nonetheless)

Honestly the only reason I gave a B instead of an F is because these pieces aren’t rentals.

But those prices are f***ing insane.

But I don’t believe in this core, and don’t believe Tre should bring in rentals. And he didn’t. So I think it’s a B, these moves make the team better beyond just the next 90 days

 

[BraveCanadian]

B - overpays for secondary players but he did shore up two areas of obvious weakness

We’re all in now with very little left for picks and prospects but there can be no excuses for this group now. This is it.

 

[Budz]

If Carlo stays healthy - that was a fantastic trade.
Late first
Good Prospect
Picks

For a big RHD

All day

Laughton is fine. Unsexy. Decent price considering the retention.

 

[ToneDog]

Honestly the only reason I gave a B instead of an F is because these pieces aren’t rentals.

But those prices are f***ing insane.

But I don’t believe in this core, and don’t believe Tre should bring in rentals. And he didn’t. So I think it’s a B, these moves make the team better beyond just the next 90 days

Dubas paid more than a first to rent a broken down Foligno. At least they can bring this team back next year while the window to win is still open.

 

[WTFMAN99]

A

Youngish top 4 large RD retained and with term
3rd line centre for 1.5M this year and next

Looking at what other GMs gave up for players and what we gave up? I'm satisfied.

The core needs to do their job now.

 

[GoonieFace]

A- for me. Addressed the needs for non-rental players. Prices are irrelevant as this team has no use for those picks. Minten is a meh prospect as well. All in all, good job by Brad

 

[Strangle]

Dubas paid more than a first to rent a broken down Foligno. At least they can bring this team back next year while the window to win is still open.

Right, which was so goddamn stupid

And then the team blew a 3-1 series lead.

That’s my entire point about rentals with this core. They play like they are handing the reins off to the new guys.

But Tre didn’t bring in rentals

 

[TopCheeseShotta]

I like Carlo - big body, clears the net front. But doesn't always use his physicality per Boston fans - and his stick is definitely where offense goes to die. So, really up to Rielly to engage w the top lines on offense now.

And for all the people happy with Laughton - I desperately wanna join you and like him too. But its gonna take a major resurgence from him. He really isn't the 3C we're all blindly believing he is. He's been a LW for great swaths of this year, and couldn't hold a regular job as Phillys 3C... so what makes us think he should as ours?

Even his defensive numbers haven't been good, next to even a plug like Domi. So, we'll have to see how much of that was team vs guy. Will say, annnnyy help to our personnel on the PK is welcome and by all accounts, he will do that. Kamph and the others dont have the grit or passion to PK effectively. And this guy does like to pot a goal shorthanded from time to time too. So there's something at least.

I dunno. Tough deadline for prices and for the way the teams around us improved up the charts. So I guess we're at around a B- or C, depending on if these boys actually do the jobs they were brought in to do.

 

[thusk]

I like Carlo - big body, clears the net front. But doesn't always use his physicality per Boston fans - and his stick is definitely where offense goes to die. So, really up to Rielly to engage w the top lines on offense now.

And for all the people happy with Laughton - I desperately wanna join you and like him too. But its gonna take a major resurgence from him. He really isn't the 3C we're all blindly believing he is. He's been a LW for great swaths of this year, and couldn't hold a regular job as Phillys 3C... so what makes us think he should as ours?

Even his defensive numbers haven't been good, next to even a plug like Domi. So, we'll have to see how much of that was team vs guy. Will say, annnnyy help to our personnel on the PK is welcome and by all accounts, he will do that. Kamph and the others dont have the grit or passion to PK effectively. And this guy does like to pot a goal shorthanded from time to time too. So there's something at least.

I dunno. Tough deadline for prices and for the way the teams around us improved up the charts. So I guess we're at around a B- or C, depending on if these boys actually do the jobs they were brought in to do.

Laughton didn't played C under Torto because he loved his attribute like a winger, that's doesn't mean he can't be a pretty good C for leafs

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Shanny is on the bubble, not Brad. Brad was dealt a bad hand when he walked into the position and has inproved the team despite it. Also, the offseason acquisitions have been stellar, that is where he does his best work. He found a goalie that before injury might have been in line for the vezina, they have a tandem that are suportive teammates and are.now a strength for the team. He signed Tanev, who along with McCabe, make this D far better. Carlo now back there has this defense a legit playoff D. Brad didnt sign the cores contracts. Lets hope the Leafs succeed, if not, Brad has to walk from the big cntracts and explore the UFAs. At worst, no full NMC to anyone not named Dave Keon.

Is the team improved though?

Their record this year isn't much better than it was the last year under Keefe. It's actually worse than it was the last year under Dubas. They also went out a round earlier last year than Dubas' last year here.

If they go out in the first or second round again I find it very difficult to say the team is improved.

 

[Madap]

Overpaid in my opinion, but not too bad and definitely addressed our needs.

This has to be best team we’ve had in a long time. Forwards aren’t quite as good as the O’Rielly year but defence and goaltending are much better. New coach as well.

Literally zero excuses for this core/team anymore. I was already out of excuses a few years ago but some people here still had some. But I don’t think anyone can defend this team anymore if we have another poor showing.

 

[Leafsfan74]

Is the team improved though?

Their record this year isn't much better than it was the last year under Keefe. It's actually worse than it was the last year under Dubas. They also went out a round earlier last year than Dubas' last year here.

If they go out in the first or second round again I find it very difficult to say the team is improved.

Yes, it's a better team on paper and they have had stints of playing playoff-style hockey for the first half of the season certainly.

The last 10 games or so they have gotten away from that. Berube has to stop coddling and start enforcing the system. Bench players for a period if they get away from it, but let his team know as a group this will be the response. That's how I would coach this to reinforce it.

"You're all big boys here and you know what's at stake. We want to win a Cup and we NEED to as a team, each and every man, to play with a focus on defense, hard, North/South, create havok for their goalie etc. If you don't play both sides of the puck, you will get your ice time cut or sit a period. You've been warned"

As a team, they need to play both ways and it starts with Matthews who I know wants to win a Cup badly and parlay it into olympic success next year. If he leads by example, that's good. He has to get heated in the moment though too and tell his team on the bench at times "play the F'king right way guys"

 

[arso40]

Basically everytime especially in playoff where leafs tried Nylander with Matthews, they was not good at all ( except 1 season)... but late in season/ playoff they came back pretty back together and finished to be split




1-McCabe was not a spectacular move but really improved the D
- Tanev was not a spectacular move but really improved the D
-Carlo is not a spectacular move but he will improve the D and will clear guy like Tkachuk/ Bennet from the front of the net.

2- It was not respond for what florida or tampa did. Before TDL, 2 need people constantly talking about was 3C and top RHD and what's Tre bring in? A 3C and a top 4 RHD. Rantanen move would be a reaction of what they did but he would not fix any leafs need

When a period ? A game? Has Matthews and marner done anything to warrant not being separated more than a period? More than a game?

 

[Legion34]

It was a 'B'

both trades were ok, not great for us but also not bad. they also addressed two of the three biggest needs for us. We gave up a bit less than we did with Dubas in 2023 and I don't think we got better players.

had he gotten geekie from boston i would've bumped him up to an A

The difference is we actually filled direct needs with players who will be here for term.

We payed 1,2,3,4 for 2 months of Rielly and accari.
Would rather pay for an actual. 2nd pair RHD for 3 years at 4% of the cap alone never mind laughton too.

Dubas gave up a million picks for rentals.

If lauigton is an actual c then it’s a winner. I have heard completely different takes.

I know who Carlo is. So I’m happy just with that.

for the next 3 years we already have our D

Rielly. Carlo
Tanev. McCabe
OEL

Signed for. 22.5. That’s great work.

We just need to get the forwards sorted. I wonder if Marner isn’t coming back if we could try to snag Clarke to get the 8th year.

If ufa rantanen is worth 1 1 3 3 stankoven.

Marner should be worth something. Especially if the team needs to dump cap.

 

[darrylsittler27]

With what was available to us and what he had plus not a rental, he did well. Are we better than Florida .. no. We had to go all in but need the right path to win a couple of rounds. We don't have that bottom 6 crash and banger. B .

 

[Gabriel426]

That's not the credo.

This is it:

1. Oxygen, water, food, shelter, and social interactions far down the list of important necessities. Keeping draft picks, keeping prospects, and acquiring more draft picks is the highest level of elite HF GM Utopia.

2. If your team seems to be good (not President's Trophy Elite), then you need to start tanking for a chance at a lottery pick. Playing games in the playoffs is not worth the chance to have a blissful NHL entry draft day. "Cup or Die" is the phrase people use.

You are describing teams who have no hope whatsoever.
Not saying Leafs are World beater this year bc out beta chokers are chokers.
But what if with a few signings this summer after JT and MM walks, Leafs become good like the Caps this season.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Like the additions we made quite a bit.

Disliked the price at the same time. Thought we paid a bit too much but these aren't pure rentals so B+

 

[Jozay]

Solid B for sure.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

You are describing teams who have no hope whatsoever.
Not saying Leafs are World beater this year bc out beta chokers are chokers.
But what if with a few signings this summer after JT and MM walks, Leafs become good like the Caps this season.

It's a hard line, but so many HF peeps expressed it long before the trade deadline: "If you can't win a cup, ya better tank". Most of all keep your prospects & picks at all cost.

 

[thusk]

When a period ? A game? Has Matthews and marner done anything to warrant not being separated more than a period? More than a game?

1-Its basically why i want matthews marner and nylander on 3 different line

2- Playing with Matthews is not what would make nylander taking less shift off, would probably been completly the opposite.

3- don't have specific, i think they tried both together when Matthews came back from injury the 1st time...

 

[Gabriel426]

It's a hard line, but so many HF peeps expressed it long before the trade deadline: "I you can't cup, ya better tank". Most of all keep your prospects & picks at all cost.

If Carlo and Laughton are rentals and Leafs won’t be able to resign them even if they want to due to their caphit. These two trades are really bad unless they win the Cup.

But that’s not really the case. As both players for terms and if Leafs want, Leafs can afford to extend them due to their caphit.

Now Leafs might be hurting 5 yrs from now when they don’t have 1st rounder coming through the system, but by then maybe they either won a Cup or if they are not doing well, they could trade Willie(only one with contract over 5 yrs) for a few 1sts and rebuild.

 

[Face Of Bear]

• No "home run piece"
• Didn't upgrade as much as our rivals
• Paid a hefty price in futures/prospects
• Still clearly upgraded forward and defence
• Got retention on guys with term left on their contract

For me I give him a solid "B". I think having Laughton/Carlo retained next year is where a lot of the value comes from more so than this playoff run.

 

[colchar]

I could careless

That doesn't mean what you think it means.