Rate Trelivings 2025 TDL

[TheMadHatTrick]

At first the sticker price of trading 2 first rounders was a little jarring. But given that both of these guys have term and a lower cap hit due to retention, we could easily rehab their value and trade them for picks or prospects over the next year or two after having an off season to sign a free agent to replace them. So we get them for the playoff run, and then we have options on what to do with them going forward.

Great job by Tre!

 

[arso40]

1-Its basically why i want matthews marner and nylander on 3 different line

2- Playing with Matthews is not what would make nylander taking less shift off, would probably been completly the opposite.

3- don't have specific, i think they tried both together when Matthews came back from injury the 1st time...

I agree spread them out but what happens if domi is the domi of this whole year?if he gets scratched who goes to the top line

 

[colchar]

If the defense wasn't good enough before Carlo it still isn't good enough now.

You worry about next year in the offseason. But if they acquired Rantanen and planned on keeping him I wouldn't be too worried about re-signing Marner. These trades look like desperation moves made once they saw what Florida and Tampa were doing.

If the Leafs don't get past either of those teams again both Shanahan and Treliving should be shown the door.

 

[TMLAM34]

Treliving addressed two major needs, when was the last time our GM has done that at the trade deadline? Not to mention both guys aren’t rentals for once…

 

[Fogelhund]

They filled the two main holes that needing filling. I think Carlo could be a really good add, and we've got him for this year +2, which is a big positive. I hope he works out well with Rielly, as that's really our biggest need.

Laughton I'm mixed on, but fully open to hoping it works out. He was moved to wing this year, and isn't the strongest defensively. We'll see how he's gets supported that way.

These additions, will do far more over the next two years, to help us compete, than the futures we gave up. It hurts, and it's disappointing, but you've got to give to get, and these weren't pieces that really will do much this year, or next... Maybe Minten the year after, but our clock is ticking for our window.

So here is the problem for me now, and I do wonder how Berube is going to tackle it. The top of the lineup looks somewhat like this...

Knies Matthews Marner
McMann Tavares Nylander.

Then we've got Robertson, Laughton, Domi and Jarnkrok for the third line... a line with Robertson, Laughton and Domi is likely to be a disaster defensively. So that's where biggest roster challenge is. How to build the roster, to protect those players who are defensively weak.

It would have been nice to upgrade at the LW position, but that would have been difficult with the cap really.

Overall, I think Tre did a good job, particularly for Tre... we shall see how it plays out, that is what counts.

 

[colchar]

Laughton I'm mixed on, but fully open to hoping it works out. He was moved to wing this year, and isn't the strongest defensively.

Apparently he is an excellent penalty killer, so how is he weak defensively?

 

[Ianturnedbull]

If Carlo and Laughton are rentals and Leafs won’t be able to resign them even if they want to due to their caphit. These two trades are really bad unless they win the Cup.

But that’s not really the case. As both players for terms and if Leafs want, Leafs can afford to extend them due to their caphit.

Now Leafs might be hurting 5 yrs from now when they don’t have 1st rounder coming through the system, but by then maybe they either won a Cup or if they are not doing well, they could trade Willie(only one with contract over 5 yrs) for a few 1sts and rebuild.

Listen, I understand the logic and Treliving's logic. I'm trying to say that the a lot of people on HFboards run a hard line:

1. You better be winning a cup if you decide to move assets.

2. Best to lose, retain your picks, get that lottery action, and hold on to your prospects.


I think it's ridiculous, but people actually post this kind of stuff.

 

[HellasLEAF]

A- for me.

I'd always secretly wished we had Brandon Carlo on the Leafs. It's like he ready my mind on that one as little was talked about him moving. Laughton brings leadership, other things.

Good.

 

[Gabriel426]

Listen, I understand the logic and Treliving's logic. I'm trying to say that the a lot of people on HFboards run a hard line:

1. You better be winning a cup if you decide to move assets.

2. Best to lose, retain your picks, get that lottery action, and hold on to your prospects.


I think it's ridiculous, but people actually post this kind of stuff.

I agree with what you said about people on here.

Cup winning teams usually are make up of players via draft, trade and FA signings. Ratios are different and depends on teams.

Goat is not even in the NHL and he was a pick in the 20s. Lilly was the 17th pick and he is a mid pairing Dman on one of the worst teams in the league. Ofcourse there are players who was picked in the 20s and become great players like Pastra.
Point is that when we look at the two 1st and Minten, we really should not associate those 1sts as top line great players. If they become Lilly and Goat, this is a steal for the Leafs. But they can both become Pastra too. Yet we don’t know that, even if Leafs retain those picks, it is no guarantee that Leafs would have draft the same players and develop them like the other teams. While I like Minten and always been a fan but he is a top prospects more so bc Leafs just doesn’t have any good prospects.

 

[Fogelhund]

Apparently he is an excellent penalty killer, so how is he weak defensively?

For much of his career, he was pretty good defensively, so he has that long standing reputation... the last few years, not so much. He was moved to wing this year in Philly as a result. He is the second worst Flyer, for On Ice goals %... that is the number of goals scored for, vs. against while on the ice. 5v5. He is a -17 on the year. Flyers score 2.3 GF/60, and have 3.6 GA/60 while on the ice. He wasn't being used as a defensive specialist either. You are right though, he's a decent PKer... just not so good 5v5.

Scott Laughton, acquired by TOR, is a third line net-crashing centre who plays with an edge. Crashes the net, retrieves and steals pucks, throws hits. Generally produces pretty well. Finishing touch not amazing. Production has been stable, but impact has bounced back from 23-24.

 

[thusk]

I agree spread them out but what happens if domi is the domi of this whole year?if he gets scratched who goes to the top line

Domi is the same Domi of last year without the same result, that's the funny thing here with people who think he's a complete different player, he's not. His entire carreer he had been an inconsistant player and that's why leafs pay him less than 4 M for a carreer 50 pts pace foward.

When he's on, he will play with grit and created thing. He will also cross the line a lot resulting on penalty. When he's off, he's useless. He had 24 pts in 54 game and its kind of player who can finish the season with 20 pts in 15 game and everyone forgotting his 1st 54 game.

 

[PromisedLand]

On paper, this group of five forwards should provide the depth scoring to slaughter other teams third lines:

Robertson - McMann - Domi - Laughton - Pacioretty

Man on "paper" Leafs core were supposed to beat 1) Columbus, 2) Habs, 3) Boston, etc.... but guess what happened each time?

 

[arso40]

Domi is the same Domi of last year without the same result, that's the funny thing here with people who think he's a complete different player, he's not. His entire carreer he had been an inconsistant player and that's why leafs pay him less than 4 M for a carreer 50 pts pace foward.

When he's on, he will play with grit and created thing. He will also cross the line a lot resulting on penalty. When he's off, he's useless. He had 24 pts in 54 game and its kind of player who can finish the season with 20 pts in 15 game and everyone forgotting his 1st 54 game.

Understood once again I agree with you but who goes where if he ends up scratched in the playoffs

 

[Smif]

Man on "paper" Leafs core were supposed to beat 1) Columbus, 2) Habs, 3) Boston, etc.... but guess what happened each time?

I'm told it's because our core was overpaid so we couldn't afford good depth and what I'm saying now is we have great high end offense, we have a really good d-core, great goaltending and now we should have a solid third line that is heavy, gritty, and can score. Treliving has done a really good job compiling a very nice and complete team here.

 

[NVious]

A, it's on the core. Although one can point out flaws on any team, this is about as well built of a roster as one can have.

The x factors are Stolarz/Knies and Tanev to a lesser extent.

At the end of the day if we're paying nearly 4 guys like McDrai and they're putting up Clarke Macarthur type numbers, we're never going to win.

This is it for them, so I hope they get it done.

 

[PromisedLand]

I'm told it's because our core was overpaid so we couldn't afford good depth and what I'm saying now is we have great high end offense, we have a really good d-core, great goaltending and now we should have a solid third line that is heavy, gritty, and can score. Treliving has done a really good job compiling a very nice and complete team here.

To be seen really. I am not arguing about heavy/gritty third line; I am arguing that the core that takes a massive chunk of the cap space doesn't show up in the playoffs. It hasn't so far. if they do this year I will shut up

As a Leafs fan all I care about are WINS and to win we need goals however they come

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Man on "paper" Leafs core were supposed to beat 1) Columbus, 2) Habs, 3) Boston, etc.... but guess what happened each time?

Mmm...Toronto had elite goalies too:

Andersen, Campbell, Samsonov

 

[thusk]

Understood once again I agree with you but who goes where if he ends up scratched in the playoffs

He will not be scratch...

 

[TakeTheBody]

The Leafs got term on two solid players for the near future and down the line. I didn't think a lot of Minten, I could be wrong. Losing the #1's not great but to get you have to give. The Russian kid showed some heart, I liked him but he wasn't going to help this year and maybe not even next. Brad went for it, not all in. But pushed. Time will tell. I'm happy with what he did.

 

[Maple Leaf]

I'm told it's because our core was overpaid so we couldn't afford good depth and what I'm saying now is we have great high end offense, we have a really good d-core, great goaltending and now we should have a solid third line that is heavy, gritty, and can score. Treliving has done a really good job compiling a very nice and complete team here.

Unfortunately Tre made one fatal mistake. He still believes in the core

 

[thusk]

For me it's a A

1-Laughton :
For the time i heard people here saying leafs should go for Bennett pretty hard and agree to pursuit him and pay him7-8M next summer... Bennett is better offensively. Bennett closer of a 50 pts /season player and laughton a 40 pts... but laughton played the same type of game than Bennett and you've got him at 1,5M for 2 year but people are still mad because leafs gave up a 1st pick? It was not supposed to be kind of change leafs needed?!?!?! Laughton will become pretty fast one of leafs favorite.

2-Carlo a top 4 shutdown RHD to play with Rielly. For over 10 years leafs was looking for it and they finally got one in Carlo and fan still mad because tre had to pay for it.

-McCabe-Tanev is by far the best shutdown pair leafs ever had
-Carlo is by far rielly best partner ever
-OEL is easily best D ever leafs had outside of top 4.

Get a Carlo against guy like Tkachuk, Bennett and cie to clear the front of the net its use. His impact on PK is huge. That will allowing Stolarz at 6'6 to see the puck and he's extremely hard to beat this season from clean shot so imagine with a physical D able to clean the front and make him life easier. He will just be even better

In a market where the price was extremely high, Treliving had been able to fix the 2 biggest hole and bring exactly the type of player we needed at 5M ( for at least 2 year )of cap hit for 2 1st pick and 2 prospect. Honestly for me its probably the best TDL leafs had in Matthews era

 

[thewave]

Unfortunately Tre made one fatal mistake. He still believes in the core

We will redefine core as needed. Don't you worry about that.

 

[IPS]

Tre levelled up on this deadline. No half measure BS moves, and the offer for Rantanen was truly the cherry on top. He's showing more and more that he's certainly capable of making massive changes.

Liking him more and more.

 

[thewave]

Tre levelled up on this deadline. No half measure BS moves, and the offer for Rantanen was truly the cherry on top. He's showing more and more that he's certainly capable of making massive changes.

Liking him more and more.

Aggressive but measured. He didn't blow his brains out in pursuit of Rantanen. He made sure his acquisitions were multi use and can be resold on the market.

Nothing wrong with that.

 

[TopCheeseShotta]

Laughton didn't played C under Torto because he loved his attribute like a winger, that's doesn't mean he can't be a pretty good C for leafs

I suppose. Doesn't mean he can either, by the same token.