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What grade do you give Treliving?

  • A

    Votes: 91 39.2%
  • B

    Votes: 111 47.8%
  • C

    Votes: 18 7.8%
  • D

    Votes: 8 3.4%
  • F

    Votes: 4 1.7%

  • Total voters
    232
We needed a race car and an off-roading custom-built monster, we got two Civics at slightly above market price. Can they do 75% of the job we need? Sure. Did we spend less than other guys did for an Acura and a used Jeep? Sure. Could we have saved the traded assets and gotten either one race car or one off-roading monster? Also sure.

B- in a vacuum, upgraded to a B+ for term + retention
 
Window is Matthews contract, then it's Ballard territory.

This years playoffs will answer the question if Mitch is part of it or not. If they bail in first round again, you take Mitch and JT money and blow it on 3-4 above average forwards and take a couple cracks at a depth approach to winning around AM, Knies and Willie.
 
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Grade A bc unless something dramatic happens like injury or play falling off a cliff. Tre won’t be looking for depth C or Dman next TDL. Which means he is saving quite a few mid round picks for at least 2 TDLs.
 
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His job was to get a competent center in the three hole, check. Grab some depth on D, surprise snag of a 2nd pairing right D, movers OEL to third, suddenly we're deep. Checked both needs, surpassed on D and neither is a rental, both are staying. It's an A- for me, price high, relative to the other deals, tidy business. Retention too, we have room in the summer.
 
f***ing work gets in teh way. Just coming home to see all this. Leafs out 2 1st round picks + minten out again betting on the forawrds that shit the bed in the playoffs

Would have been much more prudent to stay put this season and see if these guys can take a step forward with a new coach and if not you know what you got and then create a new plan with it

Futures have been sold for forwards that haven't shown any playoff pedigree is something I am not cool with.

The huge problem that leafs have had for a long while i.e. depth scoring ofcourse not addressed either. Defense was never a major issue for the Leafs. It was always putting the puck in opposition's net.

I don't even know what to say anymore....
 
I could have given an A or a B.

I chose A because as many others have posted, he filled the two needs this team had. That's at least B in most cases.

But, it's an easy A, because both players are signed for 2 more years after this one. That's a 3 year cup window. They're not actual rentals.

Plus, both have some salary retained, which helps next 2 season cap space. Which gives Brad wiggle room for signing players this summer or even adding through trades or FA.

I'm pumped to see this team in the playoffs!! It's all up to the big guns now. They've been properly surrounded with decent pieces. No more excuses
 
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f***ing work gets in teh way. Just coming home to see all this. Leafs out 2 1st round picks + minten out again betting on the forawrds that shit the bed in the playoffs

Would have been much more prudent to stay put this season and see if these guys can take a step forward with a new coach and if not you know what you got and then create a new plan with it

Futures have been sold for forwards that haven't shown any playoff pedigree is something I am not cool with.

The huge problem that leafs have had for a long while i.e. depth scoring ofcourse not addressed either. Defense was never a major issue for the Leafs. It was always putting the puck in opposition's net.

I don't even know what to say anymore....
But Laughton and Carlo got terms. And Leafs can afford to resign them unlike most of the other rentals.
 
But Laughton and Carlo got terms. And Leafs can afford to resign them unlike most of the other rentals.

We basically mortgaged our future 2 firsts + Minten on the guys that have not shown they can take the next step in the playoffs for 7+ years now.

Thats not even a calculated risk given how the 4 high AAV forwards we have go into a shell when it comes to playoffs and putting puck in the opposition's net.

Depth scoring is basicallly non-existent unless in the playoffs Robertson-Domi-McMann/Jarnkrok all of a sudden become something that we've not seen before
 
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f***ing work gets in teh way. Just coming home to see all this. Leafs out 2 1st round picks + minten out again betting on the forawrds that shit the bed in the playoffs

Would have been much more prudent to stay put this season and see if these guys can take a step forward with a new coach and if not you know what you got and then create a new plan with it

Futures have been sold for forwards that haven't shown any playoff pedigree is something I am not cool with.

The huge problem that leafs have had for a long while i.e. depth scoring ofcourse not addressed either. Defense was never a major issue for the Leafs. It was always putting the puck in opposition's net.

I don't even know what to say anymore....

When you don't have the puck or always trailing, it's harder to score
 
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He overpaid and he knows it. The problem for him was that he felt compelled because EVERYONE overpaid (except Florida on Marchand), especially those in our division and he had to decide "do I make the executive decision to overpay and improve the team at a great expense of currency (1st Round Picks, something they have continually done for this failed core), or, do I sit back and pick off some cheaper options but not move the needle much, saving my capital for next year"?

Watching this team as I have for these years, it is clear to me that the latter option was better, wait until the cap goes up and use your capital on the right kind of team he might have NEXT year. For him in his position of employment, appeasing his team and boss, that luxury may not be so easy to embrace. It puts him in a difficult place to decide to NOT go for it. That said, he did get some term and good salaries, but he paid a bounty for these two because 1st Round Picks are gold in trade (most years).

Now, there are valid arguments to be made that maybe he didn't overpay since these are needs the Leafs had. Objectively, I'd have to disagree. This year was particularly bad for excessive overpayments in the league, but at least he did well to have these players with 1.5 and 2.5 years of contract remaining, AND, he coordinated to have some of the salary eaten. That could be important going forward. I still would have tried to hold the line but I guess the team will approve and they are on very good contracts.

Here is the true barometer of whether these were great pickups: how do they do this playoff? After this many years of being fooled, this is the only metric that is relevant.

Not one Cup winner should ever worry about the price they paid in the future as long as they win. Think of the Raptors and their courageous pick up of Leonard, which turned out to be an expensive rental. No one cares, just win.

The problem is this has been tried again and again with this core bunch and it has never succeeded. Years of 1st Round picks traded with no reward.

I just want them to stick to their guns IF the Leafs falter again and walk away from JT and Marner. I said if they make it to the Finals, pay them their money. If not, accept that it's time to finally, mercilessly, move on. You can then fit the right type of pieces consistent with these guys. Hard nosed, tougher to play against while Knies and McMann develop for another year.

I don't care for 100 point seasons, win when it matters.
 
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When you don't have the puck or always trailing, it's harder to score

the big 4 forards mostly play perimeter hockey in the playoffs. I saw Matthews and Nylander a few times drive to the net other than net nothing.

Leafs playoffs struggle had less to do with defense and more to do with scoring and goalies being trash

We also don't really have a bonafide #1D man that can put up offense either. No depth scoring also IMO

going all IN on the guys is something I would not have done. I would like to have seen how they perform with a new coach and then make decisions
 
We basically mortgaged our future 2 firsts + Minten on the guys that have not shown they can take the next step in the playoffs for 7+ years now.

Thats not even a calculated risk given how the 4 high AAV forwards we have go into a shell when it comes to playoffs and putting puck in the opposition's net.

Depth scoring is basicallly non-existent unless in the playoffs Robertson-Domi-McMann/Jarnkrok all of a sudden become something that we've not seen before
That part I agree.

But regardless of what we do, Leafs will win or bust based on the Core 5.
If they crash out like playoffs past.
Laughton and Carlo will and can be around for another 4-5yrs instead of playing on another team next season. This is not a trade just for the is playoffs.

Tre pretty much did the Vegas approach where he gets players with term and Leafs having the cap space to resign them for the cost of 1st. Minten to me is a top prospect bc we don’t have anyone better. If he was coming out when AM and them broke into the league, he would be around the 7-8prospect in the system.
 
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We needed a race car and an off-roading custom-built monster, we got two Civics at slightly above market price. Can they do 75% of the job we need? Sure. Did we spend less than other guys did for an Acura and a used Jeep? Sure. Could we have saved the traded assets and gotten either one race car or one off-roading monster? Also sure.

B- in a vacuum, upgraded to a B+ for term + retention
Just wait till their vtecs kick in
 
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the big 4 forards mostly play perimeter hockey in the playoffs. I saw Matthews and Nylander a few times drive to the net other than net nothing.

Leafs playoffs struggle had less to do with defense and more to do with scoring and goalies being trash

We also don't really have a bonafide #1D man that can put up offense either. No depth scoring also IMO

going all IN on the guys is something I would not have done. I would like to have seen how they perform with a new coach and then make decisions
This is the problem. They have to get the right players in the offseason and they have little trade pieces now for next years deadline. They are going to have to accept some quiet deadlines if they can't get it done.

So, we speak for the future outcome that we all fear is going to occur. Leafs won't win the Cup.

Boston was more sober in their assessment and said "people are overpaying, NOW is the time to strike and go for the strong rebuild because we aren't beating any of the team ahead of us in a playoff series".

This whole "go for it every year" only works when you KNOW you have the horses already and you just need that bump.

Now. The wildcard for this team will be their goaltending and their strong shut-down D.

If they fail again though, difficult decisions must be made.
 
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the big 4 forards mostly play perimeter hockey in the playoffs. I saw Matthews and Nylander a few times drive to the net other than net nothing.

Leafs playoffs struggle had less to do with defense and more to do with scoring and goalies being trash

We also don't really have a bonafide #1D man that can put up offense either. No depth scoring also IMO

going all IN on the guys is something I would not have done. I would like to have seen how they perform with a new coach and then make decisions

be better to defend

1- defending less, attacking more

2- foward can be more agressive on forecheck because they doesn't need anymore to cover D weakness all the time

3-allowing you more opportunity for your D to take risk and help the offensive group to create thing and open up defensive boxes.

For sur if you trying to play 3v5 in the offensive end and taking minimum of risk, that will affect your scoring ability.
That's doesn't mean your D was good enough, just than your foward needed to change their style to overcome D weakness
 
This is the problem. They have to get the right players in the offseason and they have little trade pieces now for next years deadline. They are going to have to accept some quiet deadlines if they can't get it done.

So, we speak for the future outcome that we all fear is going to occur. Leafs won't win the Cup.

Boston was more sober in their assessment and said "people are overpaying, NOW is the time to strike and go for the strong rebuild because we aren't beating any of the team ahead of us in a playoff series".

This whole "go for it every year" only works when you KNOW you have the horses already and you just need that bump.

Now. The wildcard for this team will be their goaltending and their strong shut-down D.

If they fail again though, difficult decisions must be made.

pretty much

they should have canned shanahan earlier this year. this ridiculousness has ShanaCon's stink all over it
 
be better to defend

1- defending less, attacking more

2- foward can be more agressive on forecheck because they doesn't need anymore to cover D weakness all the time

3-allowing you more opportunity for your D to take risk and help the offensive group to create thing and open up defensive boxes.

For sur if you trying to play 3v5 in the offensive end and taking minimum of risk, that will affect your scoring ability.
That's doesn't mean your D was good enough, just than your foward needed to change their style to overcome D weakness

forwards are not going to accomplish more when they continue to play perimeter hockey and do not fight for space, near boards, net front or engage in puck battles
 
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