Rasmus Ristolainen: The $5M, 0 percentile defenseman

[Ironmanrulez]

Or maybe you don't want either player and prefer York and the cap space?
York is going through rookie growing pains but still looks better to me than Ghost of the last three years.

I wanted to move on from Ghost after he got his knees scoped, bad sign on a player who showed no signs of playing up to his peak.

To me the difference between Yandle and Ghost on the PP, is when they screw up, Yandle is three strides behind the breakaway and Ghost only one.

You rly think you are funny?

 

[Beef Invictus]

And there it is folks, on record. 23 games, 2 goals, 4 assists, and 6 points for Morgan Frost is "good" according to Beef Invictus.

I think the problem here is you are bad at expectations.

He's currently trending well ahead of Laughton at the same age. Would you say Laughton has evolved into a useful player? I'd say so. You know what this team desperately needs? Cost-controlled useful players that haven't been purchased by Fletcher or picked out of a dumpster.

 

[Ironmanrulez]

thats how important it is to have physical dman!

 

[deadhead]

I think the problem here is you are bad at expectations.

He's currently trending well ahead of Laughton at the same age. Would you say Laughton has evolved into a useful player? I'd say so. You know what this team desperately needs? Cost-controlled useful players that haven't been purchased by Fletcher or picked out of a dumpster.

So he should spend the whole year in the AHL like Laughton did at 22?
So why are you bitching about him being sent down?

Frost was #27, there's a reason he fell that far, he was more of a project than say Farabee.
And he's still a project. Won't hurt him to play in the AHL for a month, then play big minutes here after the TDL.

 

[Beef Invictus]

So he should spend the whole year in the AHL like Laughton did at 22?
So why are you bitching about him being sent down?

Frost was #27, there's a reason he fell that far, he was more of a project than say Farabee.
And he's still a project. Won't hurt him to play in the AHL for a month, then play big minutes here after the TDL.

Laughton shouldn't have spent the whole year in the AHL either. Development problems have been an issue with this team for a very very long time. It's possibly the chief thing that needed changing and Fletcher doubled down instead.

He's bad at management.

 

[Striiker]

Can NHL GM´s really suck that hard at their job that they are chasing basically a "f***ing horrible" player? My answer is maybe not, but at least give it some time.

No, you aren´t giving him a chance.

I say lets see first and then spit on him, okay?

Yes but at the same time you are saying that he´s already dragging Sanheim down etc. so..

I think giving a chance here means that you don´t say things that haven´t happened. . He hasn´t been dragging Sanheim down. Those things are pretty much determined on the regular season. We´re 2 games in of Risto. All I´m saying.

Have we given it enough time?

More good stuff over here too

 

[Beef Invictus]

Turns out this is his final form.

 

[Gsus]

Have we given it enough time?

More good stuff over here too

Yeah I'll give you that.

There was a 12 game stretch he was statistically the Flyers best Dman. But I believe what is said here, I just haven't followed games in a long time so that's all I have. So back to the worst D all time

 

[Striiker]

Yeah I'll give you that.

There was a 12 game stretch he was statistically the Flyers best Dman. But I believe what is said here, I just haven't followed games in a long time so that's all I have. So back to the worst D all time

Unfortunately he was never our best defensemen. Not for a single second. He was just out of the lineup for a few games where the team sucked, so he didn’t have those stats negatively impacting his on-ice nunbers. I assume you don’t know this since you’re anti-stat, but the numbers you’re referencing are not individual metrics, meaning they didn’t represent his individual play but instead the play of the team while he was on the ice.

Regardless he’s more than made up for it now and has managed to have awful stats while getting carried by our best D all year long.

A truly disastrous player, exactly as expected. It’s almost like it’s possible to evaluate a guy based on years of awful play. Who coulda guessed?

 

[Flyer lurker]

Unfortunately he was never our best defensemen. Not for a single second. He was just out of the lineup for a few games where the team sucked, so he didn’t have those stats negatively impacting his on-ice nunbers. I assume you don’t know this since you’re anti-stat, but the numbers you’re referencing are not individual metrics, meaning they didn’t represent his individual play but instead the play of the team while he was on the ice.

Regardless he’s more than made up for it now and has managed to have awful stats while getting carried by our best D all year long.

A truly disastrous player, exactly as expected. It’s almost like it’s possible to evaluate a guy based on years of awful play. Who coulda guessed?

Since Flyers are offering 6m+ per, not Fletch.

 

[deadhead]

Since Flyers are offering 6m+ per, not Fletch.

Well, it's rumored from dubious sources, Baskow isn't my idea of a credible source.
All we actually know is they've talked about an extension, whether those talks were serious ???

 

[Lindberg]

What's awful is they moved Ghost, a 2nd, a 1st, Hagg (blah) and a 2nd round pick for Risto. They moved a lot of assets for the guy and it's likely he wont be re-signing here (thank goodness).

 

[Gsus]

Unfortunately he was never our best defensemen. Not for a single second. He was just out of the lineup for a few games where the team sucked, so he didn’t have those stats negatively impacting his on-ice nunbers. I assume you don’t know this since you’re anti-stat, but the numbers you’re referencing are not individual metrics, meaning they didn’t represent his individual play but instead the play of the team while he was on the ice.

Regardless he’s more than made up for it now and has managed to have awful stats while getting carried by our best D all year long.

A truly disastrous player, exactly as expected. It’s almost like it’s possible to evaluate a guy based on years of awful play. Who coulda guessed?

Many could have guessed, not everyone did. I didn't. We good?

 

[Striiker]

Many could have guessed, not everyone did. I didn't. We good?

Yeah, everything's great. I was just curious if you had changed your tune or you were still planning to laugh at the stats people.

Some people on here are wrong and admit it, others double down and keep digging themselves further into their hole until they're too deep to ever come back out. It's always interesting to see which path people take.

 

[Dubi Doo]

Sorry y'all have to deal with Risto. He had so much promise early on in his career. It was wild. He's always been physical, but when he first entered the league he actually showed flashes of great transition play with his physical tools and clean outlet passes (which are completely void from his game now)

I think the Sabres incompetence as a franchise hindered Risto's growth and ultimately led to him only reaching a small portion of his potential, which is a physical d man who can put up points on the PP but severely lacks hockey IQ and on ice awareness.

Someone may buy high on him at the TDL. A playoff team looking to boost their power play and add a bit of toughness may overlook his flaws because they're enamored with his physical tools and what he brings to the PP. If a team can shelter him on a third pairing role, then he may find use, but if he's in your top-4 and not paired with an elite d-man; he's going to struggle mightily.

 

[Curufinwe]

We have the 3rd worst PP in the league, and they barely even try to use him there.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Sorry y'all have to deal with Risto. He had so much promise early on in his career. It was wild. He's always been physical, but when he first entered the league he actually showed flashes of great transition play with his physical tools and clean outlet passes (which are completely void from his game now)

I think the Sabres incompetence as a franchise hindered Risto's growth and ultimately led to him only reaching a small portion of his potential, which is a physical d man who can put up points on the PP but severely lacks hockey IQ and on ice awareness.

Someone may buy high on him at the TDL. A playoff team looking to boost their power play and add a bit of toughness may overlook his flaws because they're enamored with his physical tools and what he brings to the PP. If a team can shelter him on a third pairing role, then he may find use, but if he's in your top-4 and not paired with an elite d-man; he's going to struggle mightily.

He still makes occasional outlet passes that show a skill is buried there somewhere. But only on occasion.

The Flyers are just about as bad at development, so he came to the wrong place to be repaired.

 

[Rene Saari]

Those of you who`ve watched Philly`s games (not highlights), how would you rank Flyers` d-men? And how Risto has played? Would you give him extension?

 

[Ironmanrulez]

Those of you who`ve watched Philly`s games (not highlights), how would you rank Flyers` d-men? And how Risto has played? Would you give him extension?

NO

 

[IronMarshal]

Those of you who`ve watched Philly`s games (not highlights), how would you rank Flyers` d-men? And how Risto has played? Would you give him extension?

I’d try to move him, especially if we could wrangle a number 1 from a team in the playoffs that wants to add a physical defensive element.
If they were to resign him, the lesser choice, I would not have a problem if it were for $3-4 million. I doubt he signs for that.

 

[Striiker]

Those of you who`ve watched Philly`s games (not highlights), how would you rank Flyers` d-men? And how Risto has played? Would you give him extension?

Sanheim (only good defensemen)
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Zamula/York (too young to tell, should have played more)
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Braun/Provorov (trash)
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Risto/Yandle/Seeler/Connauton (detrimental AHLers 24/7)


Ristolainen has been horrible all year long and he’s not worth a league minimum contract. Bad at everything that matters and adds literally nothing of value in any way shape or form. Even his hitting is weak and exaggerated.

 

[deadhead]

Flyer D-men:

Provorov/Sanheim, Sanheim had a hot start, then went on a scoring bender but his defense has sagged, meanwhile Provorov has turned his season around the last 20 games or so

Braun, Risto, Braun is a reliable defensive defenseman playing too big a role but not embarrasing himself, Risto is a run of the mill #4 D-man, in that 100-120 range (people don't realize how bad most 3rd pair guys are around the league).

Seeler has improved as the season progressed, if he wasn't saddled with Yandle he'd probably look pretty decent. #6/#7, basic 3rd pair guy.

Yandle might be on the 3rd pair for the Phantoms, same with Connauton.

York started strong then faded, and was far worse than Seeler paired with Yandle, which simply showed he needs to be sheltered right now.

last 20 games:
xGF/xGFrel
Provorov 49.19%, +6.02
Braun 47.98%, +3.71
Sanheim 47.30%, +3.02
Seeler 44.39%, +0.58 (12g)
Risto 44.10%, -0.95
York 41.09%, -8.15 (10g)
Yandle 37.48%, -10.34

 

[Ironmanrulez]

Flyer D-men:

Provorov/Sanheim, Sanheim had a hot start, then went on a scoring bender but his defense has sagged, meanwhile Provorov has turned his season around the last 20 games or so

Braun, Risto, Braun is a reliable defensive defenseman playing too big a role but not embarrasing himself, Risto is a run of the mill #4 D-man, in that 100-120 range (people don't realize how bad most 3rd pair guys are around the league).

Seeler has improved as the season progressed, if he wasn't saddled with Yandle he'd probably look pretty decent. #6/#7, basic 3rd pair guy.

Yandle might be on the 3rd pair for the Phantoms, same with Connauton.

York started strong then faded, and was far worse than Seeler paired with Yandle, which simply showed he needs to be sheltered right now.

last 20 games:
xGF/xGFrel
Provorov 49.19%, +6.02
Braun 47.98%, +3.71
Sanheim 47.30%, +3.02
Seeler 44.39%, +0.58 (12g)
Risto 44.10%, -0.95
York 41.09%, -8.15 (10g)
Yandle 37.48%, -10.34

Bottom 5 in the league but somehow all dman are useful.... but its also not the coach.... its also not the system... its also not the veterans.... its also not the Roster Management.... its also not Fletcher..... it must be scott!!!! Stupid stupid stupid

 

[Curufinwe]

Provorov has been horrible in the past month. Bad defensively and a black hole on the PP. Sanheim has 20 ESP for the season and Provy has 13.

Here he is gifting the game winning goal to Washington with a embarrassing turnover.

 

[Beef Invictus]

So Ristolainen is a run of the mill #4, but Ghost who is a superior player is a steeply overpaid #7?