Rasmus Ristolainen: The $5M, 0 percentile defenseman

[Beef Invictus]

Mostly the bad and the ugly. Last night is considered a "good" game because he made two decent passes. He's entirely given up on NHL level coverage. It looks like some beer league stuff where his teammates just told him to stand near the crease and stay out of the way while they handle things.

 

[Striiker]

Can NHL GM´s really suck that hard at their job that they are chasing basically a "f***ing horrible" player? My answer is maybe not, but at least give it some time.

No, you aren´t giving him a chance.

I say lets see first and then spit on him, okay?

Yes but at the same time you are saying that he´s already dragging Sanheim down etc. so..

I think giving a chance here means that you don´t say things that haven´t happened. . He hasn´t been dragging Sanheim down. Those things are pretty much determined on the regular season. We´re 2 games in of Risto. All I´m saying.

Some people will never like Ristolainen, simply because he came in just before Gostisbehere left. Gostisbehere was on his way out regardless. Additionally, Ristolainen is better and offers a more diverse skillset than Gostisbehere. It's really stupid to hate the guy as much as many people do.

I never said it was a strength. All I said was that he was better defensively than Gostisbehere. I know it's a very low bar, but Ristolainen does clear it.

I never said he's a Norris candidate. I didn't even say he was good defensively. Just better than Gostisbehere.

You absolutely can not prove that Shayne Gostisbehere is a better defenseman than Rasmus Ristolainen.

Risto is going to lead our dman in pts and hits this season and he is going to be resigned .

Has enough time passed to feel shame or is it still to early to judge?

 

[TB87]

He’s the same boneheaded player he’s always been. Nothing’s changed except the Jersey he’s wearing now. He’s a staunch believer that playing a tight gap is not to be trusted and that it’s fake news.

 

[Beef Invictus]

He’s the same boneheaded player he’s always been. Nothing’s changed except the Jersey he’s wearing now. He’s a staunch believer that playing a tight gap is not to be trusted and that it’s fake news.

Whoever could have predicted he wouldn't entirely change overnight with the Flyers' wonderful guidance?

 

[FlyersFanSinceBirth]

Has enough time passed to feel shame or is it still to early to judge?

Shame? If you don't feel shame for half of the idiotic shit you've posted here then shame just isn't allowed on this board. The team sucks. Ristolainen hasn't been great. Neither has Provorov or Sanheim. But all three of them are still better defensively and better overall defensemen than Shayne Gostisbehere. Which was the original point I was making. So, if you want to call someone out for being wrong, pick someone who was actually wrong.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

The difference between Sanheim and Ristolainen this season has been pretty small, yet one is a Hero and the other the worst defenseman in hockey.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Imaging thinking Ristolainen is good defensively.

 

[Beef Invictus]

The difference between Sanheim and Ristolainen this season has been pretty small, yet one is a Hero and the other the worst defenseman in hockey.

Well that's because the difference isn't small, it's enormous. One is a good defenseman, and the other is near league-worst. You'd think that being proven profoundly incorrect about Ghost, NAK, Stewart, and soon Frost would prod you into rethinking how you evaluate players.

If only this could have been easily predicted by his entire career of being that bad.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Well that's because the difference isn't small, it's enormous. One is a good defenseman, and the other is near league-worst. You'd think that being proven profoundly incorrect about Ghost, NAK, Stewart, and soon Frost would prod you into rethinking how you evaluate players.

If only this could have been easily predicted by his entire career of being that bad.

Morgan Frost update: 23 games, 2 goals, 4 assists, 6 points. Is that good?

 

[Striiker]

Shame? If you don't feel shame for half of the idiotic shit you've posted here then shame just isn't allowed on this board. The team sucks. Ristolainen hasn't been great. Neither has Provorov or Sanheim. But all three of them are still better defensively and better overall defensemen than Shayne Gostisbehere. Which was the original point I was making. So, if you want to call someone out for being wrong, pick someone who was actually wrong.

Oh dear. I guess the realization and shame hasn't kicked in yet.

I'll check again after the season.

 

[FlyersFanSinceBirth]

Morgan Frost update: 23 games, 2 goals, 4 assists, 6 points. Is that good?

That doesn't matter. HFBoards loves him so it's not his fault. Been misused by coaches and drug down by bad linemates. Probably even being bullied.

 

[FlyersFanSinceBirth]

Oh dear. I guess the realization and shame hasn't kicked in yet.

I'll check again after the season.

Please, don't bother. No shame will be kicking in. I said Ristolainen is better than Gostisbehere. I stand by that. We have no need to discuss it any further.

 

[Striiker]

Imaging thinking Ristolainen is good defensively.

Hagg too

 

[FlyersFanSinceBirth]

Hagg too

You really want to spend a Tuesday morning researching me? I'm honored, but it's honestly pathetic. Also, at that time, Hagg was playing better than Gostisbehere despite Ghost being a better player.

 

[Striiker]

You really want to spend a Tuesday morning researching me? I'm honored, but it's honestly pathetic. Also, at that time, Hagg was playing better than Gostisbehere despite Ghost being a better player.

I didn't have to run down to the library to do research, pops. The search function takes literally two seconds to use.

But thank you for doubling (tripling?) down again.

 

[FlyersFanSinceBirth]

I didn't have to run down to the library to do research, pops. The search function takes literally two seconds to use.

But thank you for doubling (tripling?) down again.

You're quite welcome. And thank you for your usual contributions and high quality posts that you bring to this wonderful board.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Please, don't bother. No shame will be kicking in. I said Ristolainen is better than Gostisbehere. I stand by that. We have no need to discuss it any further.

Ghost has outplayed Risto in every year of Risto's career, though. Especially this one. So that's a really silly thing to say and then stand by.

It's like insisting the ocean is neon yellow, then being taken to the ocean and staring at it and insisting you stand by what you said.

 

[Striiker]

Ghost has outplayed Risto in every year of Risto's career, though. Especially this one. So that's a really silly thing to say and then stand by.

It's like insisting the ocean is neon yellow, then being taken to the ocean and staring at it and insisting you stand by what you said.

So you're saying Hagg > Ghost > Risto????????????

 

[FlyersFanSinceBirth]

Ghost has outplayed Risto in every year of Risto's career, though. Especially this one. So that's a really silly thing to say and then stand by.

It's like insisting the ocean is neon yellow, then being taken to the ocean and staring at it and insisting you stand by what you said.

Putting up better offensive numbers does not equal outplaying, especially when it comes to defensemen.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Morgan Frost update: 23 games, 2 goals, 4 assists, 6 points. Is that good?

For a 22 year old playing in an organization pairing him with AHL players and feeding him conflicting directives in a dumpster fire year run by landfill people, yes. That is good. Remember when you did this with NAK and you were wrong? You should probably learn something from that. We know more than you. We are better at this than you.


My expectation of him is that he will at least be a middle six center, and that he'd be good enough this year to be the 4C. Both of those things sure appear to remain true. So that's good.

I know you were trying to do a cute thing there, but it really blew up on you.

Hey, is it good for a GM to be constantly wrong about what players are worthwhile? If we had a GM incapable of that, would you want to keep him for years to come?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Putting up better offensive numbers does not equal outplaying, especially when it comes to defensemen.

He puts up better defensive results too. Did you know that there's more to defense than bumping into guys after they make a pass deep in your end?

For example, you can play defense in the NZ. That's something Ghost does way better than Risto, who backs up straight to his goalie the second an opposing rush begins. He has stood up the blue line exactly twice this season. I'm not sure I can remember any good NZ stops in transition. Sometimes he hampers them near their own blue line, but if they get past him he's then burned and totally out of the play.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

He puts up better defensive results too. Did you know that there's more to defense than bumping into guys after they make a pass?

But he's smol.

 

[Starat327]

This thread is a tirefire again.

 

[Beef Invictus]

But he's smol.

And probably uses his size better to boot. Considering his reputation, Risto has been shockingly soft. I was expecting/hoping for something to rival Gudas. That would have at least been some fun in a sea of otherwise shit play in all situations. We got Second Hogg.

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

LOL...this thread. Look, right now, Justin Braun is the best d-man on the Flyers. By far. Let that sink in...