Ranking Dubas' worst transactions - #2

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What was Dubas' worst transaction?


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Oh my God for fck sakes. The Kadri trade had nothing to do with Tavares. The organization made a decision to move on from him because they felt he was immature. So many of us have showed you the numbers we COULD have kept Kadri with the Tavares signing, Matthews, Marner and Nylander signings. We took on MORE CAP by acquiring Kerfoot and Barrie. When are you gonna get that through your head man?



Lol Eichel scored zero goals against Florida. 1 goal in last 13/14 games in the playoffs
The Tavares trade pushed Kadri down to the #3 spot and 17 goals, which was predictable for the available minutes and wingers. $4.5M is too much for a #3c. Colorado retained 50% on Barrie and Kerf was making $925k so the Leafs saved about $800k. That was the only way they could afford to fill two lineup spots and why there was only two dance partners for a Kadri deal.
 
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The Tavares trade pushed Kadri down to the #3 spot and 17 goals, which was predictable for the available minutes and wingers. $4.5M is too much for a #3c. Colorado retained 50% on Barrie and Kerf was making $925k so the Leafs saved about $800k. That was the only way they could afford to fill two lineup spots and why there was only two dance partners for a Kadri deal.
We signed kerfoot to a 3.5million contract before he even played a game for the leafs. This trade happened in the off season. Kerfoot was an unsigned rfa


We also signed Codi Ceci to a 4.5million contract the same day. Look at this shit man. Looking back, what RFA deal with Dubas ever win. All of them are complete disasters. Like I’ve said many times, Tavares contract is fine. Keep going and looking back. It’s all the other contracts Dubas signed that limited the team.

We didn’t need to sign Ceci, imagine how that 4.5 mill could have been used that season.
 
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if Murray is put on LTIR is it now one of Dubas' best moves? got a 3rd and 7th for some insurance for a year.
 
He played more games. So im not sure there’s a legit way to measure. He also scored 1 goal in 12 games. So, people bitching about Marner doing similar things yet rushing to praise Eichel is a little hypocritical lol.
I was meaning production rate
 
We signed kerfoot to a 3.5million contract before he even played a game for the leafs. This trade happened in the off season. Kerfoot was an unsigned rfa


We also signed Codi Ceci to a 4.5million contract the same day. Look at this shit man. Looking back, what RFA deal with Dubas ever win. All of them are complete disasters. Like I’ve said many times, Tavares contract is fine. Keep going and looking back. It’s all the other contracts Dubas signed that limited the team.

We didn’t need to sign Ceci, imagine how that 4.5 mill could have been used that season.

My bad. Even though Jankoski fell off a cliff having Brodie that first year over Barrie would have been huge. I wouldn't have resigned Ceci either but if he could have played easier minutes behind Brodie I think they would have been a much stronger playoff team. I am sure they could have found a winger to provide Kerf's three assists that year. Bad luck that Kadri thought refusing the trade would have kept him a Leaf. If only...
 
Having either Kadri or Tavares at 3C would have been stupid, even for Dubas, and since he was trying to justify his acquisition, he dumped Kadri. Not sure why you have so much trouble understanding that.

Eichel scored zero goals against Florida - so he scored as many goals as Matthews and Tavares combined, and more assists than all four combined?
We are probably in the "Goals are more important unless we didn't score them" phase of defending our group of winners. I wouldn't be thrilled that Jack didn't score but at least wasn't MIA like our 3 wonder kids. If the roles were reversed they would be saying how a point is just as good as a goal because it led to one. There is no point in arguing sometimes.
 
Hated that deal instantly :(


Barrie was a mess.. he was a mess before his breakout he was a mess before the trade he was a mess after and he is still a mess

That type of player was the furthest from what was needed to supplement the roster, it was a stupid flashy trade that was either rusbed or severely misjudge
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How does a guy who knows this calibre of NHLers suck?
 
Mind explaining that to me? Treliving would have done nothing in this scenario.

I am assuming it is "just because" like usual.

Treliving cleans up the Dubas error and Dubas gets the credit? In case you weren't paying attention last summer, our big free agent was Calle Jarnkrok. You don't think we could have spent Murray's $4.7 million on something useful from Game 1 to 82 and in the playoffs? Christ Almighty.
 
Treliving cleans up the Dubas error and Dubas gets the credit? In case you weren't paying attention last summer, our big free agent was Calle Jarnkrok. You don't think we could have spent Murray's $4.7 million on something useful from Game 1 to 82 and in the playoffs? Christ Almighty.

I mean our big splash this year is someone with injury concerns... our big free agent last year was our #1 goalie.

Christ Almighty.
 
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I mean our big splash this year is someone with injury concerns... our big free agent last year was our #1 goalie.

Christ Almighty.

Our "big splash" last year was a vanity project out of left field that blew up exactly the way everyone predicted.

But you know what, considering the rest of Dubas' body of work, let's go with your answer. Maybe Murray was Dubas' best deal.
 
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I mean our big splash this year is someone with injury concerns... our big free agent last year was our #1 goalie.

Christ Almighty.
Comparing Bertuzzi to Murray is crazy. Bertuzzi was a legit 30-30 top line forward just a year ago, and was healthy in the playoffs for Boston and was terrific. He's also only signed for one year and was the most desirable forward on the free agent market.

Murray on the other hand had his last good season back in 2019 and couldn't finish his final season in Ottawa healthy. He was also the exact opposite of in demand and Dubas somehow still didn't get enough retention or value in the trade
 
Our core players have done just as well and better in the playoffs than Eichel's performance this year. The only difference is Eichel's team ended up winning. We all know what the response would be if Eichel was here, didn't score a goal for 12 straight playoff games, and largely got carried by a 5m depth player that won the Conn Smythe over him.





..... This video is what we only wish our 11 million dollar guys could do. Complete package, size, strength, speed, puckhandling, passing, shot.
 
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The funniest part is we could have kept Hyman too. Again Dubas decided to walk away too much term. We could have had Hyman and bunting. If Dubas was so stubborn on Kerfoot and Holl. Tavares being there really didn’t have the effect you think it did. We get it you don,t like him. But the choices Dubas made were because Dubas liked certain guys more than others. None of those moves were cap moves. Just dumb decisions.



Lol keep moving the goal posts. If Marner leads a series in assists and scores 0 goals you and a host of others are bitching non stop about it.
If he had kept Hyman the bottom six and D would have suffered even more. Thd unnecessary Tavares and his overpayment were he trigger for the bulk of our problems.

I'm not moving the goalposts, dekes is - I'm just trying to keep up. He mentioned scoring, and I responded, so he switched to goals, and I responded, so he swiched to assists, and I responded.

Personally, I was more concerned with the way Mitch was giving up the puck in the Florida series.

Edit: sorry, my mistake - it wasn't dekes who moved the goalposts from points to goals, it was francis.
 
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No it wouldn’t have been stupid. It’s called having flexibility. We just had Ryan O’Reilly as our third line Center. Was that stupid or having good Center depth.

Tampa at one point had Point, Cierelli, Johnson down the middle. Stupid or good Center depth?
I'm not sure that spending almost $30M on 3 centers (especially back in 2018) represents 'flexibility', particularly when it handicaps other positions.
 
If he had kept Hyman the bottom six and D would have suffered even more. Thd unnecessary Tavares and his overpayment were he trigger for the bulk of our problems.

I'm not moving the goalposts, dekes is - I'm just trying to keep up. He mentioned scoring, and I responded, so he switched to goals, and I responded, so he swiched to assists, and I responded.

Personally, I was more concerned with the way Mitch was giving up the puck in the Florida series.

Edit: sorry, my mistake - it wasn't dekes who moved the goalposts from points to goals, it was francis.
I'm not sure that spending almost $30M on 3 centers (especially back in 2018) represents 'flexibility', particularly when it handicaps other positions.

Today I’ll devote going through all the playoff threads, Marner threads and Tavares threads to find all your posts criticizing those two about lack of production, assists vs goal scoring and quote them here.

It didn’t handicap anything, we still had a ton of cap space, in a few I’ll go comb through all our UFA signings the summer we traded Kadri, I already posted that we signed Cody Ceci for 4.5 million. Pretty sure he wasn’t the only guy we signed that year. Dubas’ inability to surround the core comes down to philosophy and style of players he believed in not a lack or cap resource.
 
Which comparables were those?

which are?
Rantenen, point, Tkachuk. Two of those dudes signed bridges and still make less than him. Can't believe there's still people to this day defending good ol Mitch Marner and his contract lmao.

Rantanen is the most clear cut comparable you'd get. Both were rfas at the same time, both had very similar production yet for some reason our guy got 2m more.

Crazy Notsince67 been defending this contract and Mitch Marner at every opportunity for the past 7 years. Are you not tired of doing it yet?
 
Rantenen, point, Tkachuk. Two of those dudes signed bridges and still make less than him. Can't believe there's still people to this day defending good ol Mitch Marner and his contract lmao.

Rantanen is the most clear cut comparable you'd get. Both were rfas at the same time, both had very similar production yet for some reason our guy got 2m more.

Crazy Notsince67 been defending this contract and Mitch Marner at every opportunity for the past 7 years. Are you not tired of doing it yet?

Point and Rantanen signed after Marner so they maybe used Marner as a comparable but Marner didn’t use them. He used Jack Eichel, Matthews, Aho(offersheet) and McDavid

Point also signed a bridge deal. Tkachuk would be a comparable for this contract coming up but he wasn’t in the same atmosphere as the other guys in 2019.

Not defending the contract it’s too much I wish we got him at 9 or 9.5. But you can’t use people with no contract at the time as comparables lol.
 
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Rantenen, point, Tkachuk. Two of those dudes signed bridges and still make less than him. Can't believe there's still people to this day defending good ol Mitch Marner and his contract lmao.

Rantanen is the most clear cut comparable you'd get. Both were rfas at the same time, both had very similar production yet for some reason our guy got 2m more.

Crazy Notsince67 been defending this contract and Mitch Marner at every opportunity for the past 7 years. Are you not tired of doing it yet?
They signed after mitch and we'll below his performance. He would always be the high level mark. You don't cite comparables from the future. Nobody does.
 
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Getting bent over by agents and giving 3 choke artists a bunch of money that has now come back to bite them in the ass. Or it could be handing out picks like they were free candy to fill bottom 6 player spots. This idiot mortgaged the future, put the team in financial hell. He was a clown and the Pens fell for the crap he was selling. He will run that team into the ground. Good riddance!!
I never did like Dubas, he always gave the impression that he knew more than everyone else. However, we all need to remember that Shanahan was going to bring him back! So I believe Shanny is the one ultimately responsible for this mess. Can he change, it appears so with Nylander. But I’m also betting that Matthews and Marner will receive nice raises (no hometown discount at all, even though they “love playing here” and “want to stay”). No wonder they want to play here. SMH!!!
 
Rantenen, point, Tkachuk. Two of those dudes signed bridges and still make less than him. Can't believe there's still people to this day defending good ol Mitch Marner and his contract lmao.

Rantanen is the most clear cut comparable you'd get. Both were rfas at the same time, both had very similar production yet for some reason our guy got 2m more.

Crazy Notsince67 been defending this contract and Mitch Marner at every opportunity for the past 7 years. Are you not tired of doing it yet?
You’re right. Great players shouldn’t need to be constantly defended.
 
Barrie was a mess.. he was a mess before his breakout he was a mess before the trade he was a mess after and he is still a mess
No, that's not true. Barrie has fallen off over the past few years, and he always had weaknesses, but he was also a good player.
Your perception of him is clearly impacted by how he performed here.
That type of player was the furthest from what was needed to supplement the roster
We had just got finished losing a playoff series because Boston repeatedly targeted the right side of our defense and trapped us in, because nobody on the right side could move a puck. We were losing an offensive defenseman in Gardiner. People here were demanding a shot from the point for the PP. We were in a tight cap squeeze and needed a top-4 defenseman for cheap. And Kadri had hit like strike 15 and the consensus around here was that he had to go. There were some other types of defensemen that people wanted too (which we tried to get and then did get a year later in Brodie and Bogosian), but the idea that Barrie wasn't viewed as a piece that filled holes is just revisionist history. It was widely viewed as a win at the time by even the harshest critics.
..... This video is what we only wish our 11 million dollar guys could do.
I'm not sure what you think a highlight package proves. That video is what our guys do.
You seriously think it's cherry picking to use your own criteria
That wasn't my criteria. The only one who decided to cherry pick out a 5 game sample that most benefitted Eichel and least benefitted our players while ignoring all of the context of the series and production was you, all on your own.
 
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