Larry Brooks: Rangers will be selling

[Ratelleitlikeitis]

I know a rebuild needs to happen, but I'd dump Nash, McD, and Hank before I let Zucc go.

Keep Zucc as captain...resign Grabs. We hope but don't know what CKs status will be either.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Who are these people? I've yet to see them. If anything, people are asking for the moon, and rightly so.

A few people on here, a lot of people on Twitter.

I think too maybe people want to work up a trade where the main value piece in the deal is the draft pick. However the only time I think that applies is when you know the pick is guaranteed to be like a top 3 pick. Especially for a player like McDonagh. A mid level first can not be the most valuable piece you get back. Idk if you’re not seeing ppl saying they’d be okay with a deal where that’s the case but I for sure have.

 

[Machinehead]

It may happen. It may not. You're hung up on only one possible outcome which is just as insane as assuming that selling off these players will automatically turn this team into a contender for a decade.

I agree with the premise that this is a unique opportunity to get back some serious assets for their aging roster and try to build a new foundation, or supplement the one they already have. It doesn't mean it will succeed, but how often do you even have the opportunity? What makes you think your plan of firing AV, resigning McDonagh and whatever else you propose is going to succeed? Maybe Lundqvist has a few years left, but what if he doesn't? Signing McD to a big contract could be just as disastrous as trading him. They need to start looking for a replacement to Lundqvist, and I do not mean another goaltender, they need another star player who will be the backbone of this team. McDonagh is not that. When Lundqvist finally starts breaking down this team is done, no matter who is coaching. The only way they are potentially getting a new star player is in the draft or trading for a prospect with a high ceiling. Keeping aging players and hoping a new coach (that we're not even sure is coming) is going to come in and make a big enough difference to put this team back into contention and stop hemorrhaging shots against is no more likely to work than a retool/rebuild.

I just never saw trading the heart of your D corps as an "opportunity"

There's no magic recipe for the Cup but the bonafide #1 center/D combo is close.

We've been missing one for two decades and now we'll be dealing the other under the premise that the assets coming back will replace him.

Haven't we learned first hand during this 21 year hunt for a franchise center that it's hard to do that?

I could even get on board with only keeping McDonagh and tearing down the rest.

When it comes to your franchise defenseman, one in the hand is worth ten in the bush.

 

[leetch99]

NYR have a ton of D prospects who project as possible 2nd or 3rd pairing guys. Pionk, DeAngelo, Graves, Day. Haveandare is right, they need a real blue-chipper with #1 potential. Not a Honka, but a possible first-pairing player.

Shouldn't be hard to get Toronto to include Liljegren in the right trade.

And Nylander .

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Praise science! Im befuddled that this is what it took for BRB to become the voice of reason!

I know a rebuild needs to happen, but I'd dump Nash, McD, and Hank before I let Zucc go.

McD and Hank are legitimate #1's at their respective positions on a contending team and have both been very productive in the playoffs.

Zucc is not and has not. Outside of the UFA group, he should be the 1st to go along with Miller.

 

[McD37]

Why is this not the right decision?

I am OK with trading Nash, Grabner (although I would rather resign him). But Zucc and McDonagh, I think it would be better to keep these guys.

 

[Ainec]

Don't worry

Chytil will be that 1c

 

[eco's bones]

If this is our sad direction...trade Henrik to a contender so he can win his Cup and we get some sort of return for arguably the greatest Ranger ever. It would be a painful travesty to see him have to work in front of the product that will be the short term potential. Selfishly at least I'd have another team to root for in the interim.

Henrik has three years left after this season on his current deal at $8.5 mil cap hit. Most every team that's playoff capable has at least pretty decent goaltending if not every team that's playoff capable. Most every team that's playoff capable could not afford to add Henrik's cap hit if not every playoff capable team. For team's not playoff capable adding an 3 year $8.5 mil cap hit for a player who will be 36 years old next year is not something that's going to happen--on top of all that what it take to make a deal for Lundqvist in players, prospects and draft picks would make moving Lundqvist cost prohibitive in that direction as well. IMO there is no trade market for Lundqvist and there might not be one until he's in the final year of his contract.

Which is okay by me because Henrik IMO is still capable of leading this team into the future.....and/or transitioning the team into Shesterkin's hands when the time comes.

The situations for McDonagh and Zuccarello are different than for Lundqvist. They will both be unrestricted free agents going into the 19-20 season (which is relatively near) and keeping them would cost a lot not only in cap dollars but term length going 5,6,7,8 years down the road on McDonagh who will be 29 and Zuccarello 31 next year would not be smart. I hate losing either or both of them but IMO our window for winning right now is closed but dealing them there's a better chance that we will re0pen the window much sooner. So some suffering now.......that's not rooting against your team my eyes. I'm hoping the Rangers beat Toronto coming off the All Star game and hoping they win their other games though OTOH from what's happened so far this year I'm not expecting they're going on a tear. If we don't make the playoffs though at least we'll have set ourselves up by moving players that 1) need to be moved anyway or 2) that we get the right value for.

 

[Thirty One]

I like that the Rangers have the option of trading McDonagh and Zuccarello at the deadline or at the draft. So teams will know they are not just bidding against other teams but against the value of keeping them now and trading them later.

 

[Machinehead]

And if he is and we still have McDonagh...

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I am OK with trading Nash, Grabner (although I would rather resign him). But Zucc and McDonagh, I think it would be better to keep these guys.

I’m with you. Keep the right guys.

Hell, if you can take advantage of a few contenders who really want Nash or Grabner, in a “Forsberg for Erat” type deal, this team could literally be good again next season.

Selling off some pieces doesn’t have to be a rebuild. It doesn’t have to be a tank and suck. Make some smart l, calculated moves and you could be a legit good team again next season.

Look at Dallas. Look at Vegas. Boston had a very quick turnaround while keeping their key core players. Same wit San Jose and St Louis.

You know what teams haven’t had quick turn arounds? Ones that full on tanked for their superstars. Hey it might work if you get lucky and get a Sid and Malkin or a stores and Kane in addition to a good GM and some luck. Or you could tank years and years and end up like Arizona or Florida. Got star players and still sucks. Hell, look at the Islanders. They’ve sucked for so long even after getting a superstar and him playing like one for 10 fricken years. Buffalo got a star and they’re a mess. The Oilers got the best player since Crosby and they’re a disaster.

Sorry if I see all of that happening and am in favor more of a smart retool than a tank rebuild, but the evidence is in my side.

That’s why firing AV if he’s no going to change his system so important.

 

[leetch99]

Considering how much money Dolan has it might be a good time to double up on our scouting department and add some new eyes into the mix . Can't leave a stone unturned...we might just turn up a gem or two . We will need to catch some lightning in a bottle and have some good luck as we all know we have had our share of bad over the years with the draft . Scout Western Canada VERY heavily...find some of those mean Western Canadian Sutters...

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I know it’s excitimg to trade players and get some new young players with potential and who knows what they could become feeling. I get that. I love new toys too.

I just think it needs to be measured and smart. Fully tanking for one player doesn’t work as often as it fails. For every Pittsburgh and Chicago there are how many Arizona’s, Islanders, Panthers, Oilers, Sabres and how many other teams stuck in perpetual failure.

 

[Vitto79]

SO the target wingers , D and picks ? Play Zib . Andersson , Chytil , Nieves at C?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I am OK with trading Nash, Grabner (although I would rather resign him). But Zucc and McDonagh, I think it would be better to keep these guys.

But why?

We aren't going to win a cup with them in the next 2-3 years. We need to be looking at long term now, and they will really speed up this rebuild with what they will bring back.

 

[Vitto79]

I am OK with trading Nash, Grabner (although I would rather resign him). But Zucc and McDonagh, I think it would be better to keep these guys.

The ufas are no brainers. McD and Zuc need overpayment or resign

 

[Machinehead]

It always, always depends on the return, but for me to be satisfied with this, it has to be a near can't miss franchise D, like Makar or the Finnish guy on Dallas (I'm not going to type that on my phone and have it autocorrect to "hacky sack")

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I know it’s excitimg to trade players and get some new young players with potential and who knows what they could become feeling. I get that. I love new toys too.

I just think it needs to be measured and smart. Fully tanking for one player doesn’t work as often as it fails. For every Pittsburgh and Chicago there are how many Arizona’s, Islanders, Panthers, Oilers, Sabres and how many other teams stuck in perpetual failure.

This is true and I don't think anyone necessarily disagrees with this.

But teams in the Rangers position right now who don't try and do something different fail 100% of the time. Moving all of these guys may result in further trouble, but it may not. Hanging onto them however is only going to prolong the mediocrity.

This team isn't a contender and you can't expect anything to change with out taking a different approach. The team and FO should be lauded for what they built between 2011-12 and last year, but its time to move on and at least attempt to build a group that can actually win it all.

 

[pld459666]

Why does AV get another shot with another core?

Fire him. Then blow it up.

So ****ing backwards.

I think he's gone when the season is over.

 

[Thirty One]

I;m thinking about thos magic beans.

 

[CommaSynapse]

Don't just grab one of the "ol' boys" from the list of jobless NHL coaches. Try to pull someone from one of the premier college programs.

Of course, we're looking for top dollar for our players. The parity of the NHL right now puts a lot of teams in uncertain positions, so this could work to our advantage if teams are trying to load up for a run.

If McD gets moved, who becomes captain? Staal and Hank will be the longest-tenured players.

 

[Levitate]

I think there will be some regret over trading McDonagh if he goes...it could be many many long years before they ever have a defenseman as good as he is no matter how many picks they get.
But the flip side is always, does it make sense to hold onto a guy in his late 20's who's probably going to be getting $7 mill on a new contract that takes him into his mid 30's when you're also selling and resigning yourself to not being a contender? Not really, but it's still going to hurt a whole lot to see the defense without him if he is traded.

 

[Thirty One]

I think there will be some regret over trading McDonagh if he goes...it could be many many long years before they ever have a defenseman as good as he is no matter how many picks they get.
But the flip side is always, does it make sense to hold onto a guy in his late 20's who's probably going to be getting $7 mill on a new contract that takes him into his mid 30's when you're also selling and resigning yourself to not being a contender? Not really, but it's still going to hurt a whole lot to see the defense without him if he is traded.

He will be 30 the day his current contract expires. New contract will likely take him to 37 or 38.

 

[McD37]

But why?

We aren't going to win a cup with them in the next 2-3 years. We need to be looking at long term now, and they will really speed up this rebuild with what they will bring back.

To be honest, I think Rangers would have better chance to win the cup adding young players (Andersson, Chytil, Nash, Grabs return) to this core(Hank, Zucc, McD, Skjei, Ziba, Kreider, Hayes, Buch). Blowing it up does not mean they will be contender in 5 years.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Don't just grab one of the "ol' boys" from the list of jobless NHL coaches. Try to pull someone from one of the premier college programs.

Of course, we're looking for top dollar for our players. The parity of the NHL right now puts a lot of teams in uncertain positions, so this could work to our advantage if teams are trying to load up for a run.

If McD gets moved, who becomes captain? Staal and Hank will be the longest-tenured players.

They don't have to name one until they feel that they have a player worthy of wearing the C.

Staal would be an easy choice because of seniority, but I don't think they'd slap a C on a potential buy out candidate.