Larry Brooks: Rangers will be selling

[Gravey22]

I really think it is the best course of action. The days of tweaking this team and making a run are gone. This year if Shatty could have been a mover and others played and developed maybe just maybe another run. Especially with a rejuvenated Hank. however it was not to be.
I write a similar deal two weeks but also had Hank in the mix. Be respectful and it will hurt however it is ultimate respect to give Hank the chance to compete for the Cup he deserves the opportunity.
I would knock on Winnipeg's door ... Hank + McD for Trouba + 2 A-type ready prospects and throw in Mason.
Do Brook's list . Go for Prospects over picks where possible. Think Stall would raise his hand to go at that point. Should be a prospect or 2.
would have a bunch young hungry players. Goaltending would be an issue but we got Coach Benny the goalie whisperer and the Russian phenom after next year but maybe a contract deal with Hank gone?
Get Clark and team scouring the contenders like the draft to make this count. Screw up one of the big deals and it will really hurt. Do a good job and BOOM we're in business. young players all over the place all darft picks in a deep draft and cap for the next few years.
It is the sane Hockey move!

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Your 2018 template, assuming all named players are dealt is

Kreider-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Miller-Hayes-___________
Chytil-Andersson-_______
Vesey-Nieves-Fast

Skjei-Shattenkirk
_____-Smith
Staal-DeAngelo

That's actually remarkably few holes to fill given how many big guys are getting moved.

Split up the rookies, put one with Hayes, one with Miller. Agree with the rest of the forwards. You could even move Vesey up a line, and bring Carey back for next season.

Also, Graves should have a spot next season. Put him with Smith.

I'd still like to get rid of Staal or Smith, and have another spot for Bereglazov or Pionk.

 

[TheTakedown]

Yandle got a 1st + 2nd + Duclair + Moore with 1.5 seasons left on his contract and salary retained. Different market + Sather factor but McD should return more than that

I mean look at the package that Duchene just pulled in. The guy pulled in an absolute haul and he's not even that good of a player

 

[Fitzy]

Split up the rookies, put one with Hayes, one with Miller. Agree with the rest of the forwards. You could even move Vesey up a line, and bring Carey back for next season.

Also, Graves should have a spot next season. Put him with Smith.

I'd still like to get rid of Staal or Smith, and have another spot for Bereglazov or Pionk.

In a hypothetical deal with the leafs of Kapanen, Liljegren, 1st for McDonagh, you're pretty much already filled in the roster without even considering what we get for Grabner, Nash, and Zuccarello.

 

[eco's bones]

If we're going to change coaches I'd rather do it in the off season. Take your time--don't rush--decide who you want.

This season is toast and apparently Gorton and Dolan have figured that out too. People can blame it all on AV--I really don't but I ain't married to the f***ing guy either....so if they decide he goes, he goes but there's no point rushing shit if you don't have to and there's no point to all this 'I'm pissed off and want to punish someone' crap. What the Rangers decide to do should have some objective rationale behind it.

In any case I'm for trading Nash, Grabner, Holden, Desharnais, Pavelec and any other UFA and for trading McDonagh and Zuccarello though I really don't want to move Mats and we better get a really great return for either of them....and if we can get rid of Staal and Smith that's fine too.

 

[Baby Punisher]

Very refreshing article, especially with Dolan signing off on it. Lets get to work.

I am 100% ok with everything written in that article coming true. Brooks is spot on about McDonagh. The weight of the C crushed him. He wasn't ready. It should have gone to Girardi. Girardi would have been the perfect Captain for that team at that point of his career. I will miss Zucc. What becomes of Lundqvist?

 

[JT Kreider]

I mean look at the package that Duchene just pulled in. The guy pulled in an absolute haul and he's not even that good of a player

Turris, Bowers and a conditional 1st for Duchene. Not quite the haul without the other trade.

It just looks comically worse and worse with how bad the Senators have played since the trade, the issues with Melnyk and Karlsson impeding free agency.

 

[Baby Punisher]

AV is coaching this team into a potential lottery pick. There is no reason to fix what's broken.

That might be the nicest thing anyone can say about AV at this point.

 

[TheBPA]

That's still a pretty big haul considering that many would say Turris and Duchene are near equals.

 

[Machinehead]

McDonagh isn't 35 lol

Right but the Leetch return was a haul at the time, and all of it fizzled out.

You have to be aware that this happens with young assets.

 

[Machinehead]

Lol yeah me either. “Sure he scored 10 points last night but did you see that lazy backcheck?!”

I think there are some good potential d men who can make up good deals though. What are your thoughts about potentially getting a Makar or Heisakanen (almost definitely butchered that) or Brannstrom type in exchange for McD? Obviously next year would be rough but as soon as the year after it could be a lot brighter.

If we're looking at Makar/Hesky paired with Shattenkirk a year or two down the line, I'll feel ok.

 

[JT Kreider]

That's still a pretty big haul considering that many would say Turris and Duchene are near equals.

The key part of the trade was Duchene is signed through next season. It bought them the extra year of having a #1 center (in theory) before Karlsson either leaves or you sign him to a contract where his salary likely doubles and they'd have to lose some key pieces to fit under the cap or their internal budget.

At the time of the trade the Senators had to win the Cup this year or next. That was worth the pick and Bowers.

It's blown up in their face though and now the future of the franchise looks real bad.

Maybe we can catch a team like Toronto in a similar predicament before the Matthews extension.

Or Winnipeg before Wheeler and Laine need new deals.

 

[yrrebbor]

I know a rebuild needs to happen, but I'd dump Nash, McD, and Hank before I let Zucc go.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

with a different coach where do you think we are?

2nd in the Metro at the least. I don’t think that’s that crazy considering we’re only 2 points back as is. Possibly even first and looking like a contender depending who the coach was. I think some people underestimate just how bad a job AV and his staff have done the last few years.

It’s with no doubt to me that with a new coach employing a system to maximize his roster, instead of trying to force his roster to fit his ideas, this team could at least be middle of the road shot share and not depend entirely on their goalie standing on his head.

 

[GAGLine]

Good, but flawed roster with really good young components playing an asinine system because the coach is a moron for two years? Trade your captains and best skater.

Brilliant.

Even if we replace the coach, we don't have the assets to fix the flaws. We either sell high and go long, or we end up chasing our tail until the wheels fall off.

 

[NYRKING30]

Thank god.

 

[LORDE]

Why does AV get another shot with another core?

Fire him. Then blow it up.

So ****ing backwards.

I don't think he will... these changes are going to be made and he will be fired at the conclusion of the season IMO

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

If I’m Gorton I try and find a contender willing to part with a recent first rounder that is on the verge of being ready or at least a year further in their development . Think one of Vegas’ first rounders last year, maybe Tolvanen out of Nashville or Heiskanen from Dallas.

Selling key players like Zucc and McD for magic beans is bad enough, having just picks and the risk of bust would be a disaster. The amount of ppl who’d trade either of these guys for a 20 something first rounder and a couple b level prospects is alarming to me.

 

[McD37]

I do not think it is right decision, but what can you do. Tough couple of years ahead. Getting Tavares would soften the blow but do not think it is possible.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Oh HELL yea.

 

[Ail]

Right but the Leetch return was a haul at the time, and all of it fizzled out.

You have to be aware that this happens with young assets.

It may happen. It may not. You're hung up on only one possible outcome which is just as insane as assuming that selling off these players will automatically turn this team into a contender for a decade.

I agree with the premise that this is a unique opportunity to get back some serious assets for their aging roster and try to build a new foundation, or supplement the one they already have. It doesn't mean it will succeed, but how often do you even have the opportunity? What makes you think your plan of firing AV, resigning McDonagh and whatever else you propose is going to succeed? Maybe Lundqvist has a few years left, but what if he doesn't? Signing McD to a big contract could be just as disastrous as trading him. They need to start looking for a replacement to Lundqvist, and I do not mean another goaltender, they need another star player who will be the backbone of this team. McDonagh is not that. When Lundqvist finally starts breaking down this team is done, no matter who is coaching. The only way they are potentially getting a new star player is in the draft or trading for a prospect with a high ceiling. Keeping aging players and hoping a new coach (that we're not even sure is coming) is going to come in and make a big enough difference to put this team back into contention and stop hemorrhaging shots against is no more likely to work than a retool/rebuild.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I do not think it is right decision, but what can you do. Tough couple of years ahead. Getting Tavares would soften the blow but do not think it is possible.

Why is this not the right decision?

 

[Machinehead]

The key part of the trade was Duchene is signed through next season. It bought them the extra year of having a #1 center (in theory) before Karlsson either leaves or you sign him to a contract where his salary likely doubles and they'd have to lose some key pieces to fit under the cap or their internal budget.

At the time of the trade the Senators had to win the Cup this year or next. That was worth the pick and Bowers.

It's blown up in their face though and now the future of the franchise looks real bad.

Maybe we can catch a team like Toronto in a similar predicament before the Matthews extension.

Or Winnipeg before Wheeler and Laine need new deals.

Everyone is in this predicament because the cap gives you 2-3 years before you have to hit eject.

I was really looking forward to high scoring Edmonton and Toronto wars over the Cup, but now I don't think either one is getting anywhere substantial.

 

[GAGLine]

If I’m Gorton I try and find a contender willing to part with a recent first rounder that is on the verge of being ready or at least a year further in their development . Think one of Vegas’ first rounders last year, maybe Tolvanen out of Nashville or Heiskanen from Dallas.

Selling key players like Zucc and McD for magic beans is bad enough, having just picks and the risk of bust would be a disaster. The amount of ppl who’d trade either of these guys for a 20 something first rounder and a couple b level prospects is alarming to me.

Who are these people? I've yet to see them. If anything, people are asking for the moon, and rightly so.

 

[JT Kreider]

If I’m Gorton I try and find a contender willing to part with a recent first rounder that is on the verge of being ready or at least a year further in their development . Think one of Vegas’ first rounders last year, maybe Tolvanen out of Nashville or Heiskanen from Dallas.

Selling key players like Zucc and McD for magic beans is bad enough, having just picks and the risk of bust would be a disaster. The amount of ppl who’d trade either of these guys for a 20 something first rounder and a couple b level prospects is alarming to me.

Joel Armia as part of a package from Winnipeg fits the bill for Zucc.