Larry Brooks: Rangers will be selling

[Vinny DeAngelo]

Again, the Hawks and Penguins windows opened when their stars weren’t even 22 yet. Hawks won their first Cup when Kane was 20 and Toews was 21. Pens went to the SCF when Crosby was 20 and Malkin was 21.

Seems to me you think this takes more time than it really does.

Who on Toronto is On the same world as those guys? Matthews toews is a wash. No one in Toronto near Kane’s level.

And Crosby and Malkin. The 2 beat centers of their generation.. Matthews isn’t in their universe

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Not to mention that the Hawks have had Keith eating like 25-30 minutes a night for them. Who is capable of doing that at a high level on the Leafs?

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Not to mention that the Hawks have had Keith eating like 25-30 minutes a night for them. Who is capable of doing that at a high level on the Leafs?

McD lol

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Who on Toronto is On the same world as those guys? Matthews toews is a wash. No one in Toronto near Kane’s level.

And Crosby and Malkin. The 2 beat centers of their generation.. Matthews isn’t in their universe

If the current Laughs played those teams, it would be a slaughterhouse.

 

[Tawnos]

Not to mention that the Hawks have had Keith eating like 25-30 minutes a night for them. Who is capable of doing that at a high level on the Leafs?

The best argument I’ve heard for them to make a strong play for McDonagh.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

The best argument I’ve heard for them to make a strong play for McDonagh.

I think Morgan Reilly can’t play the letang role.. not Keith tho.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Reilly cant hold Letang's jock.

 

[Tawnos]

Who on Toronto is On the same world as those guys? Matthews toews is a wash. No one in Toronto near Kane’s level.

And Crosby and Malkin. The 2 beat centers of their generation.. Matthews isn’t in their universe

That’s a different argument, but not one that contradicts what I’m saying.

 

[Megustaelhockey]

Report. Don't respond. If someone breaks the rules, street justice has no effect. Moderators won't catch everything and need your help to spot people who make the boards worse.

 

[Tawnos]

I think Morgan Reilly can’t play the letang role.. not Keith tho.

Letang in their first Cup window wasn’t the player you think of now.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Not to mention that the Hawks have had Keith eating like 25-30 minutes a night for them. Who is capable of doing that at a high level on the Leafs?

McDonagh. And Reilly is having an exceptional season so far. The Leafs having him and McDonagh on the ice for 50+ minutes a night would be impressive.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Marner is having an “awful” year? 2nd year player, has 34 points which would be 2nd on our team.

Is he having a bit of a down year compared to his rookie year? A bit, but a lot of players have sophomore slumps, and that is hardly a slump but definitely not “awful”.

There is no way McD fetches you him and Liligren...the entire leaf organization would laugh at that proposal.

If it's 34 pts bc of PP time, constant O zone starts AND he's an utter disaster on D then I would not call that a good season and could fall into disaster territory. A lot of times we have a bad habit on HF of simply looking at the points with no knowledge of his 5v5 play, actual defensive abilities, etc. Not saying that you don't know. But I know a lot of times people make comments about points and don't know about the other stuff.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Don't the Jets play a really rough style?

Yeah, they play a heavy north-south game, but they also have a lot of speed and skill. They can attack you in different ways.

I'm not asking this in a snarky way, but what's your point? McDonagh's shoulder?

 

[haveandare]

Dallas
Vegas
Tampa
Montreal
Boston
Winnipeg
Edmonton

These are the teams that are a good fit for McD.

Not Dallas apparently, at least according to some of their fans who are losing it on me over on the trade board.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

If it's 34 pts bc of PP time, constant O zone starts AND he's an utter disaster on D then I would not call that a good season and could fall into disaster territory. A lot of times we have a bad habit on HF of simply looking at the points with no knowledge of his 5v5 play, actual defensive abilities, etc. Not saying that you don't know. But I know a lot of times people make comments about points and don't know about the other stuff.

Sounds like some guys on our team..

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Saying I don’t think the proposal was realistic makes me a condescending ass. Did I use threatening or nasty language that I missed. Wow you people are thin skinned. If someone disagrees they are rude or an ass. Must be nice to be so insulated!, I’ll just agree all the time from now on.

I shouldn't have said condescending ass. I took that out. The two lines about sweet honey and venomous stings were humorous hyperbole I was using bc your overall comment really wasn't that bad outside of that one sentence (which absolutely was condescending.)

 

[Kocur Dill]

Could McD do for Toronto, what Gonchar did for Pittsburgh? Only younger, less money, but costing assets instead of FA.

Rielly + McD + Matthews + Nylander.
Letang + Gonchar + Crosby + Malkin.

Obviously, Sid & Geno are on a different level, but the timeline is similar and this is a different era vs. different opponents.

Marner + Liljegren

or

Liljegren + +

Does McD + Holden or Grabner get us the Marner + Liljegren package? I could see McD not being enough.
So adding one of the UFA's (TO's choice) to give them PO depth for this year a good enough sweetener?

My perspective. Liljegren is an unproven NHL talent. Marner alone isn't worth McD. But both are an overpayment for him. The UFA add is what I'm offering to bridge the gap.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Read his posts, if you're going to defend a new poster (which is fine) please pick a better one.

I see your point but regardless of his history (Which, yikes that's some history) I still just don't like using "HF newness" as a way to counter hockey discussion

 

[TheTakedown]

Marner > McD already in most people’s eyes (just not on this board) and substantially younger

Toronto's defense is absolutely horrid. Trading Marner for McDonagh would be a win now move for them that they might consider since they have this season and next left on Matthews' ELC. Mcdonagh would fit perfectly especially at 50%

 

[kovazub94]

I see what you’re saying about the boards. I’m learning quickly. As far as Marner>McD ask yourself this. Hypothetically If they both play till 35 who will be more valuable to a team. McDonough for the next 6 years when it already seems like he’s declining, or Mariner for the next 15 who is already a real good young player and first liner

This argument is simplistic it puzzles me that a 50-year old would put it forth. No considerations given to long- or short- term team’s chances, roster construct or salary cap.

 

[Valhalla]

Dallas
Vegas
Tampa
Montreal
Boston
Winnipeg
Edmonton

These are the teams that are a good fit for McD.

You don't think the Peg is on McD's 10 teams NTC list?

 

[NYR]

Did Leetch and Messier have a NMC they had to waive in order to be traded?

Doesn't matter.
Find a trade that works for him and recoup as many assets as you can for this REBUILD

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Yeah, they play a heavy north-south game, but they also have a lot of speed and skill. They can attack you in different ways.

I'm not asking this in a snarky way, but what's your point? McDonagh's shoulder?

Yes. I wasn't being an ass.

 

[TheTakedown]

="UAGoalieGuy, post: 140764421, member: 32781"]Man this degraded quickly. Also hits the nail on the head about these boards as well.

Potential is seen more valuable then a proven player in their prime. I can see the cost and team control piece of things but with the way things have been going in the league, if your that good there are no more bridge deals.

I honestly can't see in any case where Marner > McD. Marner still has work to do to reach his potential, which is not a franchise player but a good top line player. McD is already a top pairing Dman that is 28.

And what about in 3 years when mcdonagh might start declining at the same time the rangers are ready to contend?

That's exactly what happened with the Staal and Girardi contracts

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

And what about in 3 years when mcdonagh might start declining at the same time the rangers are ready to contend?

That's exactly what happened with the Staal and Girardi contracts

Not sure I understand what you were trying to say. Argument was he's 28 now in his prime and a sweetheart deal that can be made even better by 50% retention. His current status in the league (established top pair Dman) is more valuable then the potential a player like Marner could become if a team like the Leafs think McD could be the piece that puts them over the top.

Just using the Leafs as an example. Could be any contender that thinks their window is this year and next.

The example you give about the decline of Staal and Girardi is a valid reason when resigning McD long term. Although he doesn't play the type of game those to play which tends to cause players like that to deteriorate more quickly.