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Larry Brooks: Rangers will be selling

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Tawnos said:
I don’t agree than it doesn’t fit the Leafs timeline. The Hawks went to the playoffs for the first time after rebuilding and won the Cup the next season. The Penguins went to the playoffs for the first time, after rebuilding, made the SCF the next season and won the Cup the season after that.

I would say that the next two years would be the peak of their window, particularly if they did add a true 1D to their team.
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Are the laughs even remotely close in skill to the teams you mentioned at those specific points in time?

Furthermore, I don't think any team in the East aside from Tampa and Boston have a realistic chance of beating the WCC.
 
Tawnos said:
I don’t agree than it doesn’t fit the Leafs timeline. The Hawks went to the playoffs for the first time after rebuilding and won the Cup the next season. The Penguins went to the playoffs for the first time, after rebuilding, made the SCF the next season and won the Cup the season after that.

I would say that the next two years would be the peak of their window, particularly if they did add a true 1D to their team.
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Leafs fans are silly when it comes to their "timeline." They think they're going to build a dynasty, but keep ignoring how the cap will hinder them moving forward.

I agree with you that their window to strike would be now and McDonagh could help anchor them for 2 playoff runs. Veteran playoff experience always gets discounted in these scenarios, and McDonagh would be a horse for them under Babcock. Even Vegas could strike now while the iron is hot to try to help them take a step forward while they're basically free from any cap hindrances for a while.
 
Tawnos said:
I don’t agree than it doesn’t fit the Leafs timeline. The Hawks went to the playoffs for the first time after rebuilding and won the Cup the next season. The Penguins went to the playoffs for the first time, after rebuilding, made the SCF the next season and won the Cup the season after that.

I would say that the next two years would be the peak of their window, particularly if they did add a true 1D to their team.
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And Matthews and Marner are still on ELC for the next two seasons. Nylander for this season. That's a reason to go for the jugular in the next two years.
 
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SA16 said:
The point isn't if Marner is as good as McDonagh. If you're not planning on resigning him then clearly Marner being cost controlled for the next 5 or so years is much more valuable than having McDonagh for another season and a half. I fail to see how there can be any deal that nets a player better than Marner other than real high variance ones with draft picks where you may end up getting an elite player or you may get nothing. If you can lock in Marner even if he tops out as a 20-60 guy and consistently does that that's a great deal.

But regardless as I've said I think it's complete fantasy to think that the Leafs would give up a major roster player at this point.
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What you said is true. I’m looking at it from how good of a player they are right now and 15 years vs 6or 7
 
The problem with Toronto trading for McD from their perspective is the hole it fills going to be better than the hole it creates. Their foundation are the highly skilled young players and it's going to take at least one of them +++ to get McD. So even though on paper it looks like a great match, are they really?

I hope the Rangers get back a young player on defense that has that type of upside. I don't see the point of just getting forwards for McD.
 
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Thirty One said:
They have the fourth most points in the East. You don't think adding a McDonagh gives them even a chance to win the Cup in the next 2 seasons?
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Yep, that's what I think. The Leafs are the 3rd best team in the Atlantic, not as good as Washington, Columbus or even the Pens once they get rolling. Haven't we seen that one player doesn't make all that much difference. OEL, Karlsson and McDonagh haven't done with their teams. Tampa and LA both missed the playoffs last year with Hedman and Doughty.
And to take a regular off the Leaf such as Marner or Nylander detracts from the team even with the improvement with the addition of McDonagh.
Logic would say that McDonagh would be best served going to a true contender. But we see few of those trades, it's seems that so many of these type of trades have McDonagh or similar players going to the Leafs. I really see these trade suggestion as almost meaningless/.
 
Miamipuck said:
The problem with Toronto trading for McD from their perspective is the hole it fills going to be better than the hole it creates. Their foundation are the highly skilled young players and it's going to take at least one of them +++ to get McD. So even though on paper it looks like a great match, are they really?

I hope the Rangers get back a young player on defense that has that type of upside. I don't see the point of just getting forwards for McD.
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Good GMs trade from positions of strength to address positions of weakness.
 
Tawnos said:
Good GMs trade from positions of strength to address positions of weakness.
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Good GMs also trust the process and let their young guys develop...

Toronto trading some of top young talent for mcdonagh would be trying to force them into contenders before they’re ready because they don’t wanna do it while on Matthews’ contract
 
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You know who I think could be a dark horse candidate for McD? Winnipeg. With how their contracts are set up for Wheeler, Little, and Enstrom and then Laine up in two years, they can make a big push for the Cup these next two years. They have a loaded farm too
 
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Tawnos said:
Good GMs trade from positions of strength to address positions of weakness.
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It's also true that trading young cost controlled players with big upside also comes back to bite GM's in the ass bigtime. Which was my point.

Of course good gm's fill weakness's that's why they're good GM's, but they're good GM's because they don't create another weakness.

To use a perfect example use Gorton, in the Brassard deal he was letter perfect but then he created a near term weakness with the Stepan trade coupled with losing Lindberg in the expansion draft. So a strength can easily become a weakness in a week.

Edit: Stepan wasn't a young player, just a point you have to be careful with strength/weakness in trades.
 
Capt McDonut said:
Good GMs also trust the process and let their young guys develop...

Toronto trading some of top young talent for mcdonagh would be trying to force them into contenders before they’re ready because they don’t wanna do it while on Matthews’ contract
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I don’t agree with trying to “force them into contenders” as a bad thing. I think even with a McDonagh for Marner trade, they’d be contenders today.

That being said, I wouldn’t be upset with a package based around Liljegren +1st ++
 
Mac n Gs said:
You know who I think could be a dark horse candidate for McD? Winnipeg. With how their contracts are set up for Wheeler, Little, and Enstrom and then Laine up in two years, they can make a big push for the Cup these next two years. They have a loaded farm too
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I like Roslovic, but other than him, who do they have?
 
Mac n Gs said:
Leafs fans are silly when it comes to their "timeline." They think they're going to build a dynasty, but keep ignoring how the cap will hinder them moving forward.

I agree with you that their window to strike would be now and McDonagh could help anchor them for 2 playoff runs. Veteran playoff experience always gets discounted in these scenarios, and McDonagh would be a horse for them under Babcock. Even Vegas could strike now while the iron is hot to try to help them take a step forward while they're basically free from any cap hindrances for a while.
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I think your math is all wrong. Didn't the Hawks win their first Cup in Kanes fourth year and Toews third. And they won Cups after that. And at the time the Hawks did have some good veterans already on the team. To think the Leafs have missed the time line within the next two years at the end of Matthews, Nylander, Marner third years as Leafs is just foolish. Pens and Hawks have won multiple Cups in the cap era, so that argument is irrelevant that Leafs are going to unduly hindered by the cap. Teams are hindered by the cap when they have overpaid players. or spend money on buyouts. Think Staal, Nash and Girardi.
 
Tawnos said:
I don’t agree with trying to “force them into contenders” as a bad thing. I think even with a McDonagh for Marner trade, they’d be contenders today.

That being said, I wouldn’t be upset with a package based around Liljegren +1st ++
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I do think mcdonagh makes them a contender but I think they’re pushing it to early. In a couple years they’ll be developed better and ready to go.

Trading now for them would hurt them in their window. They’d get less constant young players coming in. Similar to what happened to us with msl and handle trades. It shortened our window
 
Dallas
Vegas
Tampa
Montreal
Boston
Winnipeg
Edmonton

These are the teams that are a good fit for McD.
 
Mac n Gs said:
You know who I think could be a dark horse candidate for McD? Winnipeg. With how their contracts are set up for Wheeler, Little, and Enstrom and then Laine up in two years, they can make a big push for the Cup these next two years. They have a loaded farm too
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Don't the Jets play a really rough style?
 
Capt McDonut said:
I do think mcdonagh makes them a contender but I think they’re pushing it to early. In a couple years they’ll be developed better and ready to go.

Trading now for them would hurt them in their window. They’d get less constant young players coming in. Similar to what happened to us with msl and handle trades. It shortened our window
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Again, the Hawks and Penguins windows opened when their stars weren’t even 22 yet. Hawks won their first Cup when Kane was 20 and Toews was 21. Pens went to the SCF when Crosby was 20 and Malkin was 21.

Seems to me you think this takes more time than it really does.
 
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