Larry Brooks: Rangers will be selling

[Thirty One]

Most veterans wouldn't judge players based on nationality though. That, and other things he has said cause HFNYR vets to respond.

I was once new. I didn't post nonsense like that though

That's my point. It's not about being new or old, good and bad posters can be either.

 

[Nopuckluck]

No need for name calling. If you find the substance of a post too complex to respond to, you should ignore it, rather than resort to such tomfoolery.

Are you serious? In the last 24 hours 2 posters have been warned for using threatening language directed at me. Then when I question Edge overvaluing McD and saying the proposal wasn’t realistic I get attacked again. Interestingly not by the man whose post I quoted because he probably sees I wasn’t being condescending or attacking. When others disagree with me they try to bully and slander. I respond. It’s simple not too complex for me but thanks

 

[Thirty One]

Are you serious? In the last 24 hours 2 posters have been warned for using threatening language directed at me. Then when I question Edge overvaluing McD and saying the proposal wasn’t realistic I get attacked again. Interestingly not by the man whose post I quoted because he probably sees I wasn’t being condescending or attacking. When others disagree with me they try to bully and slander. I respond. It’s simple not too complex for me but thanks

No you're crying bullying? That's the problem with your generation.

 

[Nopuckluck]

No you're crying bullying? That's the problem with your generation.

Im almost 50. I have no problem with others coming after me. In fact I’ve never reported a post. The issue is some of you people (and you’re a perfect example) lose it and get bent out of shape because I don’t just hide and take it.

 

[RangerBlues]

McD will get two first round picks and a high end prospect. Period. Not worth trading him for less.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Man this degraded quickly. Also hits the nail on the head about these boards as well.

Potential is seen more valuable then a proven player in their prime. I can see the cost and team control piece of things but with the way things have been going in the league, if your that good there are no more bridge deals.

I honestly can't see in any case where Marner > McD. Marner still has work to do to reach his potential, which is not a franchise player but a good top line player. McD is already a top pairing Dman that is 28.

 

[Thirty One]

Im almost 50. I have no problem with others coming after me. In fact I’ve never reported a post. The issue is some of you people (and you’re a perfect example) lose it and get bent out of shape because I don’t just hide and take it.

You've spent the last two pages crying about the way people are talking to and about you. If you have no problem, why are you making it such a spectacle?

 

[Larrybiv]

Exactly. Why change coaches and potentially hurt your draft position.

Keep it status quo......so to speak. Why bring in a new coach that might make us better and losing out on a chance to get a prime pick. A classic example of "if it aint broke, dont fix it". Also, we wouldnt want AV's rep as a good coach to go down the drain by being shown up by newbie coach.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Man this degraded quickly. Also hits the nail on the head about these boards as well.

Potential is seen more valuable then a proven player in their prime. I can see the cost and team control piece of things but with the way things have been going in the league, if your that good there are no more bridge deals.

I honestly can't see in any case where Marner > McD. Marner still has work to do to reach his potential, which is not a franchise player but a good top line player. McD is already a top pairing Dman that is 28.

I know McD has some red flags now, but I don't think it's just that fans overate potential. I think that many have underrated McD, so that specific trade and return seems plausible to them.

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

Point is McDonagh doesn't fit the time line for the Leafs to be successful. Leaf aren't going going to the Cup in the next two years with McDonagh or not. Can't the Rangers find a logical team that could exploit him for two seasons in a Cup run.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Keep it status quo......so to speak. Why bring in a new coach that might make us better and losing out on a chance to get a prime pick. A classic example of "if it aint broke, dont fix it". Also, we wouldnt want AV's rep as a good coach to go down the drain by being shown up by newbie coach.

This is not happening.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I may be in the minority but I still think this team when healthy is better than people think. When you lose Kreider, Shatty, Stall, and Hayes in a 2-3 week period it's probably going to diminish the level of play quite dramatically. I'm torn about this team. On one hand if everybody comes back healthy they can certainly make the playoffs and possibly win a couple of rounds. Fact is only 2 points separate 2nd thru 7th in the metro. On the other hand they are not winning the cup this year and if they can get good value for guys like Nash and Grabner I would be all for for it. I would only trade McDonagh if they get a first and a top prospect. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Whatever happens I don't see AV behind the bench next year.

 

[Nopuckluck]

Man this degraded quickly. Also hits the nail on the head about these boards as well.

Potential is seen more valuable then a proven player in their prime. I can see the cost and team control piece of things but with the way things have been going in the league, if your that good there are no more bridge deals.

I honestly can't see in any case where Marner > McD. Marner still has work to do to reach his potential, which is not a franchise player but a good top line player. McD is already a top pairing Dman that is 28.

I see what you’re saying about the boards. I’m learning quickly. As far as Marner>McD ask yourself this. Hypothetically If they both play till 35 who will be more valuable to a team. McDonough for the next 6 years when it already seems like he’s declining, or Mariner for the next 15 who is already a real good young player and first liner

 

[DundeeRanger]

I know McD has some red flags now, but I don't think it's just that fans overate potential. I think that many have underrated McD, so that specific trade and return seems plausible to them.

As I said earlier. Just cannot see the value for the Rangers in a Marner for McD trade.

Who eats those minutes as a top pair defenceman without McD?

I would also hope that one of our prospect forwards has a break out year next year and we start to blood some new D-men and pairings underneath the top pairing. If we are talking rebuild, McD would be one of the pieces that I look to keep or look for better value from.

 

[Thirty One]

Point is McDonagh doesn't fit the time line for the Leafs to be successful. Leaf aren't going going to the Cup in the next two years with McDonagh or not. Can't the Rangers find a logical team that could exploit him for two seasons in a Cup run.

They have the fourth most points in the East. You don't think adding a McDonagh gives them even a chance to win the Cup in the next 2 seasons?

 

[Miamipuck]

All you tough guys out there sitting behind your computers. WHEN THE RANGERS START CALLING UP THEIR PRIZED KIDS FROM THE MINORS WHO WOULD STAND UP FOR THEM AND DETER THEM HAVING CHEAP SHOTS TAKEN AT GHEM OR BEING RUN. WHOM? I bet McLeod will fill that role. Someone needs to keep guys on the other team honest and protect the kids. DID YOU WATCH THE KINGS GAME?

I just spent 5 minutes going through some posts of yours. I left out the stuff about women/hockey and some stuff about McD having the worst hands in hockey (which is completely wrong and nonsense) and if you can't see why people don't respect your opinions on hockey matters than I truly can't help you. See no name calling I am letting your words speak for themselves.

Marner > McD already in most people’s eyes (just not on this board) and substantially younger

Jesus no. We already have the reputation and rightfully so of the softest team in hockey. Now we trade away 2 American kids and one being Vesey who actually plays tough for 3Euros?

In regards to Mike Keenan being among the most slimey undermining human beings ever, unfit to get a coaching job in this day and age:

You are flat out wrong. In professional sports winning IS all that matters. If you don’t believe this it’s actually scary. Why keep score? Why hand the Cup to the winners.

He can coach my team to another cup thank you very much. He won. That’s all that matters. It’s pro sports

Re: Cody McLeod:

Better offensive numbers than McD

All you tough guys out there sitting behind your computers. WHEN THE RANGERS START CALLING UP THEIR PRIZED KIDS FROM THE MINORS WHO WOULD STAND UP FOR THEM AND DETER THEM HAVING CHEAP SHOTS TAKEN AT GHEM OR BEING RUN. WHOM? I bet McLeod will fill that role. Someone needs to keep guys on the other team honest and protect the kids. DID YOU WATCH THE KINGS GAME?

The Rangers are not getting Nylander from Toronto. This narrative needs to stop. He’s a better player already and 7 years younger than McD. Plus Lou won’t deal with the Rangers

 

[Nopuckluck]

Point is McDonagh doesn't fit the time line for the Leafs to be successful. Leaf aren't going going to the Cup in the next two years with McDonagh or not. Can't the Rangers find a logical team that could exploit him for two seasons in a Cup run.

I do not believe the Leafs run by Lou Lamoriello would ever trade with the Rangers anyway as long as Sather is still around. Arguing about what we are getting from Toronto is futile IMHO

 

[Nopuckluck]

Ihave
I just spent 5 minutes going through some posts of yours. I left out the stuff about women/hockey and some stuff about McD having the worst hands in hockey (which is completely wrong and nonsense) and if you can't see why people don't respect your opinions on hockey matters than I truly can't help you. See no name calling I am letting your words speak for themselves.




In regards to Mike Keenan being among the most slimey undermining human beings ever, unfit to get a coaching job in this day and age:



Re: Cody McLeod:

I STAND BY EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE QUOTES

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I just spent 5 minutes going through some posts of yours. I left out the stuff about women/hockey and some stuff about McD having the worst hands in hockey (which is completely wrong and nonsense) and if you can't see why people don't respect your opinions on hockey matters than I truly can't help you. See no name calling I am letting your words speak for themselves.




In regards to Mike Keenan being among the most slimey undermining human beings ever, unfit to get a coaching job in this day and age:



Re: Cody McLeod:

What's wrong with Keenan?

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I see what you’re saying about the boards. I’m learning quickly. As far as Marner>McD ask yourself this. Hypothetically If they both play till 35 who will be more valuable to a team. McDonough for the next 6 years when it already seems like he’s declining, or Mariner for the next 15 who is already a real good young player and first liner

It all depends on how the acquiring team sees their chances of winning (not just Toronto, any team contending). Is that team in a position where a workhorse will put them over the top to potentially win 2 cups before his current contract is Up? If the answer is yes, the GM would move the assets required to get them.

Not saying moving another teams top player but a piece like Marner or Sergachev etc.

 

[Thirty One]

I do not believe the Leafs run by Lou Lamoriello would ever trade with the Rangers anyway as long as Sather is still around. Arguing about what we are getting from Toronto is futile IMHO

Lamoriello and Sather discussed Leetch and Malakhov trades in 2004. I don't think there's an issue now that they both have reduced roles in different divisions.

 

[Miamipuck]

What's wrong with Keenan?

Stuff I am not vetted to divulge it was part of a larger discussion of what a piece of crap he is and why he can't get jobs any longer.

 

[Miamipuck]

I STAND BY EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE QUOTES

Of course you do, and I hope you're proud.

 

[Tawnos]

Point is McDonagh doesn't fit the time line for the Leafs to be successful. Leaf aren't going going to the Cup in the next two years with McDonagh or not. Can't the Rangers find a logical team that could exploit him for two seasons in a Cup run.

I don’t agree than it doesn’t fit the Leafs timeline. The Hawks went to the playoffs for the first time after rebuilding and won the Cup the next season. The Penguins went to the playoffs for the first time, after rebuilding, made the SCF the next season and won the Cup the season after that.

I would say that the next two years would be the peak of their window, particularly if they did add a true 1D to their team.

 

[SA16]

The point isn't if Marner is as good as McDonagh. If you're not planning on resigning him then clearly Marner being cost controlled for the next 5 or so years is much more valuable than having McDonagh for another season and a half. I fail to see how there can be any deal that nets a player better than Marner other than real high variance ones with draft picks where you may end up getting an elite player or you may get nothing. If you can lock in Marner even if he tops out as a 20-60 guy and consistently does that that's a great deal.

But regardless as I've said I think it's complete fantasy to think that the Leafs would give up a major roster player at this point.