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I’m not gonna sit here and say I’ve watched Henriksson but you could have as good all around game as Patrice Bergeron but if you’re putting up those numbers woof woof .
I mean not even a single goal in 20 plus games?
He is young--19 for another month and a half or so--and has primarily been playing LW. Still, as I've said several times with him, eventually you need to see production. He's playing 14 minutes per game and usually lines up on the top line with Joel Lundqvist and Max Friberg, both of whom are pretty good offensive producers. So, the fact that he has just four points (two of which are secondary assists on ENGs) is undeniably disappointing.

That's not to say his game isn't improving at all. He's a little stronger, somewhat better across 200 feet. But, that's not really why he was drafted. It's the vision and skill. Unfortunately he's small and about average on his skates which makes it really tough for him.

I've never been infatuated with the pick but he still has time to develop. Would really like to see some offense, though, especially against men and not just playing with Raymond and Holtz.
 
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Looking at some player's hockeydb profiles makes me wonder how we scout some of these picks/where they're seen playing. Henriksson's stats and everything on there are puzzling. 31 games with Frolunda since 2018? In league play, 0 goals across that 2-year span (save 1 goal in 7 games this year at the WJCs), 5 total assists, and a demotion to Swe-1 last year? What was it and when that made NYR want to grab him relatively high?
 

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Looking at some player's hockeydb profiles makes me wonder how we scout some of these picks/where they're seen playing. Henriksson's stats and everything on there are puzzling. 31 games with Frolunda since 2018? In league play, 0 goals across that 2-year span (save 1 goal in 7 games this year at the WJCs), 5 total assists, and a demotion to Swe-1 last year? What was it and when that made NYR want to grab him relatively high?
I think most people had him mid-second to early-fourth, so he was picked about where he was expected. He has good hands, solid vision and smarts, and can sling the puck around pretty good. Lucas Raymond and Alex Holtz both played extensively with him and did better with him than without, and were always very complimentary of his play. He was going the be the 1C for Sweden in the WJC this year before his COVID situation. He also works hard out there, which I think is one of the reasons his coach trusts him so much. So, there was plenty to like.

The skating was never good and the size was always an issue. I think the hope was, partly, that the skating would improve enough to the point where it was above average, so the "knock" was really just the size. As we know if you have good skills otherwise, size isn't an issue. Unfortunately you see it now, where he's not the guy driving the play on his line and he's not big enough to win pucks and effectively forecheck and not fast or quick enough to get free and establish chances for himself. So he just kind of treads water--not really hurting you, but not contributing a whole lot.
 
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I agree with a lot of this. I will say Howden's got lessons in on the job training that he should have gotten for the most part in Hartford. It's not his fault that the Rangers were so thin at forward a couple years ago. I also think a lot of his worse might be behind him now. He does need to get stronger for his size. All that said he might not be a keeper--I do see him becoming a legit NHL player though. I like Lemieux a lot but he does a few things that drive me crazy and he needs to play with more discipline and he's not got a particularly strong hockey IQ. Less forcing plays, less handling the puck and letting others do it--more corner and boards work and more hanging around being a nuisance at the opposition goal crease area. Guys like McKegg and DiGiuseppe should be emergency call ups not permanent players. Really it takes a mindset IMO to play a forward checking role bottom 6 role in the NHL. Pride in your 200' game--an ability to play physical and/or aggressive hockey--to do the dirty jobs like penalty killing and to win board battles--having someone to fight fairly well--maybe not often but when necessary. Faceoffs. They are all things that factor in.

I think this is pretty fair. I'm admittedly not a Howden fan, i just feel like he brings almost nothing to this point. to me, and this is certainly not a consensus opinion, he's no different than jesper fast who i wasn't particularly high on. i was fine with him when used in a bottom 6 role and pk guy, but he had no business being constantly plugged into the top 6. he literally invented ways not to score. he could put tap ins at the post into a part of the rafters happy gilmore couldn't find. and to me he was never the defensive player or pk'er he was built up to be because he just wasn't that fast. he gave fantastic effort, he had a decent brain for the game, but he was not in any way a difference maker. i get it though, most people loved him and i understand why. and to date for me howden is like a second coming but with without the strength he gained. not big or strong enough to be reliable as a defender, not a good enough skater to make up for it there or be a weapon on the forecheck,, not a physical presence, and creates virtually no offense. That said, he is still young and some of those things are fixable and he does have decent hockey sense and gives a good effort ...for me I've seen enough to be ready to move on, don't hate the guy just don't see much value added. I agree he's an nhl player though, i just think with our roster and pipeline, he's a guy that would be taking a role in the bottom 6 that doesn't add anything we need in it. but hey if he sticks around, and, much like fast, mgmt seems to love him, hopefully he proves me wrong. lemieux i like a lot when he's playing the way he needs to, but you don't see it enough. agree wish he'd simplify at times and be more of a physical menace tracking pucks and puck carriers and making noise when he gets there. i will say, granted its a one game sample size, but his one game in the bubble was by far the most effective game he's ever played. if he could somehow make that what we see even 3/5 nights he'd make us a completely different lineup overnight. and yea mckegg, digiuseppe, nieves...those are guys who should be callups for the most part. i actually thought mckegg had some nice hockey sense and was pretty reliable, digiuseppe too impressed forechecking with his speed. the thing with them, i could see either one of them being a part of one of those like bruin cup teams as a bottom 6'er. the problem with us is we pack the bottom 6 with guys like that, we left a spare d / pk specialist on the 4th line. as we round into contender status the top 6 appears well stocked with enough talent to mix and match to have some absolutely loaded lines. but the team as a whole, and the bottom 6 especially, needs to have an identity. the bottom 6 needs to be constructed with purpose. most teams that go far have a 3rd or 4th line that can be a game changer for momentum and chip in some important goals...we aren't that yet, but we aren't far off. i don't think we have much in house that fits the mold of what it'll take but could be wrong. either way i hope we make constructing that a priority in the near future
 
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Looking at some player's hockeydb profiles makes me wonder how we scout some of these picks/where they're seen playing. Henriksson's stats and everything on there are puzzling. 31 games with Frolunda since 2018? In league play, 0 goals across that 2-year span (save 1 goal in 7 games this year at the WJCs), 5 total assists, and a demotion to Swe-1 last year? What was it and when that made NYR want to grab him relatively high?

A lot of guys are picked based on what they could become, rather than what they are.

Take Nail Yakupov. He didn't bust because teams were wrong about his ability, he busted because his ability as a 17 year old and a 24 year old were exactly the same.

You've got to see where kids are, sure, but the reason we use the word potential so much is you have to make all kinds of estimates about what a player could become. There are 50 Brandon Dubinsky-like players in junior that never make it in the NHL. Key is to find the kids that have the factors to improve and become a better rounded package.

With a guy like KeAndre Miller, it's about taking physical gifts and seeing if he can be coached to learn the game at a pro level.

With Henriksson, it's about if he can accelerate the 'speed' of his game (And I mean this in terms of decision making, not just pace) to match the NHL requirements.

And any guy picked in the late 2nd round is either going to be a serious low percentage project, or have very limited upside.
 
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I think this is pretty fair. I'm admittedly not a Howden fan, i just feel like he brings almost nothing to this point. to me, and this is certainly not a consensus opinion, he's no different than jesper fast who i wasn't particularly high on. i was fine with him when used in a bottom 6 role and pk guy, but he had no business being constantly plugged into the top 6. he literally invented ways not to score. he could put tap ins at the post into a part of the rafters happy gilmore couldn't find. and to me he was never the defensive player or pk'er he was built up to be because he just wasn't that fast. he gave fantastic effort, he had a decent brain for the game, but he was not in any way a difference maker. i get it though, most people loved him and i understand why. and to date for me howden is like a second coming but with without the strength he gained. not big or strong enough to be reliable as a defender, not a good enough skater to make up for it there or be a weapon on the forecheck,, not a physical presence, and creates virtually no offense. That said, he is still young and some of those things are fixable and he does have decent hockey sense and gives a good effort ...for me I've seen enough to be ready to move on, don't hate the guy just don't see much value added. I agree he's an nhl player though, i just think with our roster and pipeline, he's a guy that would be taking a role in the bottom 6 that doesn't add anything we need in it. but hey if he sticks around, and, much like fast, mgmt seems to love him, hopefully he proves me wrong. lemieux i like a lot when he's playing the way he needs to, but you don't see it enough. agree wish he'd simplify at times and be more of a physical menace tracking pucks and puck carriers and making noise when he gets there. i will say, granted its a one game sample size, but his one game in the bubble was by far the most effective game he's ever played. if he could somehow make that what we see even 3/5 nights he'd make us a completely different lineup overnight. and yea mckegg, digiuseppe, nieves...those are guys who should be callups for the most part. i actually thought mckegg had some nice hockey sense and was pretty reliable, digiuseppe too impressed forechecking with his speed. the thing with them, i could see either one of them being a part of one of those like bruin cup teams as a bottom 6'er. the problem with us is we pack the bottom 6 with guys like that, we left a spare d / pk specialist on the 4th line. as we round into contender status the top 6 appears well stocked with enough talent to mix and match to have some absolutely loaded lines. but the team as a whole, and the bottom 6 especially, needs to have an identity. the bottom 6 needs to be constructed with purpose. most teams that go far have a 3rd or 4th line that can be a game changer for momentum and chip in some important goals...we aren't that yet, but we aren't far off. i don't think we have much in house that fits the mold of what it'll take but could be wrong. either way i hope we make constructing that a priority in the near future

I can see Howden having a pretty decent career when everything is said and done. I don't see him ever at all rising about a 3rd line player and there's a very good possibility he'll best fit as a 4th liner. I expect him to get stronger though. I mean he's 22 and there should be improvements that happen just by his getting older.
 

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I can see Howden having a pretty decent career when everything is said and done. I don't see him ever at all rising about a 3rd line player and there's a very good possibility he'll best fit as a 4th liner. I expect him to get stronger though. I mean he's 22 and there should be improvements that happen just by his getting older.

i completely agree. its not so much i think he's hopeless. to me its more what he brings and where that fits in our lineup both now and going forward. agree i think he tops out as a 3c, and i think he could be a pretty good one there. but i think chytil is better and brings a better skillset for that and he's even younger to boot, though not materially. so then when i think of what we should be assembling for a 4th line i don't think he fits that profile either. while i've been underwhelmed to date, i do think he'll end up carving out a long nhl career in a shut down/pk type role and may get to be pretty respected at it. its just i don't see a home for him here, right now i think there's better options though he'll have a say in that. and long term i think the role he'd ideally grow into appears to be occupied. but hey, maybe chytil takes a couple steps offensively and becomes a viable 2c. maybe howden takes some substantial strides and silences any doubts - like you said he is 22. i'd be as happy as anyone if that played out, i have nothing against him. its really just my opinion, which is worth approximately nothing, that i haven't seen enough to give me a ton of hope. to me it comes down to if he is playing on the wing on the 4th line and a gauthier or barron are sitting, i don't like it. i think the other 2 are 1 both wings and 2 more importantly bring more dynamic skillsets and have higher potential. i'd rather see those minutes allocated there than carving out a lineup spot for howden. but thats just my read on everything i've seen of him to date versus having been really impressed with what gauthier could become, and obviously having a lot of faith in barron. who knows though, certainly not above i've allowing for the possibility i've underestimated what howden could be with some added muscle, wouldn't be a problem in my book
 

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Oliver Tärnström making his debut for Hanvikens in HockeyEttan tonight centering the 2nd line

continuing learning about structure of overseas leagues ....

I love how the system is distributed throughout the country
and it seems teams are always playing for 'something' (earning promotion, avoiding relegation)

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Hockeyettan ... is the third tier of ice hockey in Sweden. ... 46 teams divided geographically into four groups. Hockeyettan operates a system of promotion and relegation with HockeyAllsvenskan ...
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Format
As of the 2015–16 season, the league consists of 48 teams divided into four groups of 12 geographically. The clubs meet each other twice, home and away, after which the top four teams from each group form two new groups of eight. Each of these Allettan groups then plays an additional home-and-away series. Meanwhile, the remaining eight teams in each starting group play each other again in a continuation series.
Post-season
The winner of each Allettan group qualifies directly for the 2016 HockeyAllsvenskan qualifiers. Teams 2–5 in the Allettan groups, along with teams 1–2 from the continuation groups, play a playoff to fill the remaining two spots in the HockeyAllsvenskan qualifiers. Teams 7–8 from the continuation groups are forced to requalify for Hockeyettan against teams from Division 2 [Hockeytvåan]

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continuing learning about structure of overseas leagues ....

I love how the system is distributed throughout the country
and it seems teams are always playing for 'something' (earning promotion, avoiding relegation)

en.wikipedia (dot) org/wiki/Hockeyettan
Hockeyettan ... is the third tier of ice hockey in Sweden. ... 46 teams divided geographically into four groups. Hockeyettan operates a system of promotion and relegation with HockeyAllsvenskan ...
...
Format
As of the 2015–16 season, the league consists of 48 teams divided into four groups of 12 geographically. The clubs meet each other twice, home and away, after which the top four teams from each group form two new groups of eight. Each of these Allettan groups then plays an additional home-and-away series. Meanwhile, the remaining eight teams in each starting group play each other again in a continuation series.
Post-season
The winner of each Allettan group qualifies directly for the 2016 HockeyAllsvenskan qualifiers. Teams 2–5 in the Allettan groups, along with teams 1–2 from the continuation groups, play a playoff to fill the remaining two spots in the HockeyAllsvenskan qualifiers. Teams 7–8 from the continuation groups are forced to requalify for Hockeyettan against teams from Division 2 [Hockeytvåan]

en.wikipedia (dot) org/wiki/Hockeytv%C3%A5an
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Sweden is cool, they definitely have the most robust promotion/relegation system out there (among the major players). Finland, only sometimes do they open Liiga. Other times there's no promotion to that league. The KHL has become a closed league. Yet in Sweden you can absolutely go from a regional team to playing in the SHL in a few years (highly unlikely but possible).
 
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Sweden is cool, they definitely have the most robust promotion/relegation system out there (among the major players). Finland, only sometimes do they open Liiga. Other times there's no promotion to that league. The KHL has become a closed league. Yet in Sweden you can absolutely go from a regional team to playing in the SHL in a few years (highly unlikely but possible).

Russian hockey structure used to have a similar multi-league relegation structure as in Sweden. As you said it became a close league with introduction of KHL but there's been instances of relegation down based on clubs' financial performance.
 
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Lundkvist had a PP assist, 4 SOG, and was -1.

Edstrom has an assist--primary--for the third straight game. He's still playing.

Nothing for our boy Henriksson. He's in the third.
 
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Lundkvist had a PP assist, 4 SOG, and was -1.

Edstrom has an assist--primary--for the third straight game. He's still playing.

Nothing for our boy Henriksson. He's in the third.

6 goals so far for Frölunda. Henriksson no points but a +2.

It's something.... But I wish I could see him be more engaged in the offensive zone. He's very solid in transition but seems to just go into hiding and shelter back into his center role rather than playing the way he is expected to.

Maybe they should just send him to a team like Brynäs or Linköping.
 

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He'll never play here. We have way too many talented, small d guys already. Good trade bait. That's it. Howden could be a dynamite 4th liner but the problem is he doesn't have a mean streak which I like to have for my 4th liners. However, that's OK if he can be a 55% faceoff guy and he might be able to do that. I agree 2 years playing in Hartford in all situations would have been better for him.

Other than Lafreniere, the two guys I'm looking forward to seeing the most are Barron and Richards. We've had way too many dumb, bad defensive, soft forwards on this team. Buchnevich leading the way.
 

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He'll never play here. We have way too many talented, small d guys already. Good trade bait. That's it. Howden could be a dynamite 4th liner but the problem is he doesn't have a mean streak which I like to have for my 4th liners. However, that's OK if he can be a 55% faceoff guy and he might be able to do that. I agree 2 years playing in Hartford in all situations would have been better for him.

Other than Lafreniere, the two guys I'm looking forward to seeing the most are Barron and Richards. We've had way too many dumb, bad defensive, soft forwards on this team. Buchnevich leading the way.

Interesting take. Never knew you felt this way
 

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Not sure what to make of it, but Canada took 5 RHD to the WJC. Looks like Schneider was listed as a LD on his off-side. Should be a great experience for him.
 
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He'll never play here. We have way too many talented, small d guys already. Good trade bait. That's it. Howden could be a dynamite 4th liner but the problem is he doesn't have a mean streak which I like to have for my 4th liners. However, that's OK if he can be a 55% faceoff guy and he might be able to do that. I agree 2 years playing in Hartford in all situations would have been better for him.

Other than Lafreniere, the two guys I'm looking forward to seeing the most are Barron and Richards. We've had way too many dumb, bad defensive, soft forwards on this team. Buchnevich leading the way.
This part was more comical than the first half of your post. Which is very tough to do, all things considered. Ending it with Buchnevich just capped off how woefully bad your takes are and personal evaluation of players.
 

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This part was more comical than the first half of your post. Which is very tough to do, all things considered. Ending it with Buchnevich just capped off how woefully bad your takes are and personal evaluation of players.

To me, Barron, Richards and Khodorenko are all intriguing prospects for different reasons.

Highest ceiling: Khodorenko
Closest to NHL ready: Richards
Most likely to lead these 3 in GP in 10 years: Barron

I honestly like each prospect for different reasons and think the Rangers have done really well to at least stack the deck
 

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To me, Barron, Richards and Khodorenko are all intriguing prospects for different reasons.

Highest ceiling: Khodorenko
Closest to NHL ready: Richards
Most likely to lead these 3 in GP in 10 years: Barron

I honestly like each prospect for different reasons and think the Rangers have done really well to at least stack the deck
Theres nothing wrong with any of those three. They do each have their own attributes and possibilities that they bring to the table. But barring one of them really impressing, it is extremely premature to start looking at them as if they are going to be helping in the near future. Barron probably has the best chance. But until any of then prove anything, especially the UDFAs, who again I do like, the infatuation some have with them is bewildering.

And lastly the claims staked against Buch at the end are just flat out wrong.
 

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Theres nothing wrong with any of those three. They do each have their own attributes and possibilities that they bring to the table. But barring one of them really impressing, it is extremely premature to start looking at them as if they are going to be helping in the near future. Barron probably has the best chance. But until any of then prove anything, especially the UDFAs, who again I do like, the infatuation some have with them is bewildering.

And lastly the claims staked against Buch at the end are just flat out wrong.

The Zac Jones hate is unreal
 
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