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To those complaining about lack of leadership/toughness - what do you propose to fix it without downgrading the talent on the team?
 
Good Intentions said:
Love Lindgren but not captain material. Fox? Potentially elite player - doesn't seem like the personality.

I could see Miller as the guy.
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might go from no Captain too many choices in the future

Laf C
Kappo - a #2 pick should make an impact
Fox - too good to ignore. Does he speak up or a bit reserved personality like Leetch
Miller - has a lot of attributes

Would be great if another emerges too.
 
Uninstaaled said:
I thought they got the better of the Bruins physically so this is a dumb take.

but guys like buch, Strome,Howden - these guys are not playoff players
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Well said. They lost to the Bruins because the Bruins are a better and more experienced team. It also didn't help that the Rangers were without their best player.
 
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Savant said:
To those complaining about lack of leadership/toughness - what do you propose to fix it without downgrading the talent on the team?
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Tampa had to add some toughness on the boards to their skill. It’s premature for this team as the kids are still growing yet there will be games of boy power vs man power.
 
I agree with the premise, but bit the entire argument.

I don't need Zibby to be a giant physical presence. I need him to be the Zibby of the previous 2 seasons. And hopefully, get through whatever he is going through Post-Covid.

Krieder is a different animal. He is a "power forward", and he can't sit around and let Ritchie clip Igor, or let Kakko get roughed up, or worst of all, let Buch take one for the team.

I think the organization knows this is an issue, and a big reason why they traded up to get Schneider in the draft, who in the WJC, was hitting like a madman.
 
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Leadership starts with veteran players. All summer I’ve been lamenting the dearth of veteran players on this roster. When you subtract Lundqvist, Staal and Fast and your only veteran acquisition is Jack (cough, cough) Johnson, you have weakened the veteran core. Badly.

Leadership on a hockey team usually doesn’t come from just one person, it comes from a group. The lack of leadership depth has put a lot of pressure on Zibanejad and Kreider and I think that it may be a factor affecting their play.

If you have followed my posts all summer, you know this isn’t a second guess.
 
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bobbop said:
Leadership starts with veteran players. All summer I’ve been lamenting the death of veteran players on this roster. When you subtract Lundqvist, Staal and Fast and your only veteran acquisition is Jack (cough, cough) Johnson, you have weakened the veteran core. Badly.

Leadership on a hockey team usually doesn’t come from just one person, it comes from a group. The lack of leadership depth has put a lot of pressure on Zibanejad and Kreider and I think that it may be a factor affecting their play.

If you have followed my posts all summer, you know this isn’t a second guess.
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You certainly are not a second guesser or a 20/20 hindsight psychic,

There might be a dearth of veteran players on the roster, but I think the larger issue is that what was believes to be strengths of the roster have been weaknesses: the top players and, to a degree, the goaltending.

I think looking to the perceived lack of leadership is just trying to rationalize the top players struggling. It wasn't too long ago that people where clamoring for Zib to be named captain, So felt it should be Kreider. No there's no leadership?
 
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bobbop said:
Leadership starts with veteran players. All summer I’ve been lamenting the death of veteran players on this roster. When you subtract Lundqvist, Staal and Fast and your only veteran acquisition is Jack (cough, cough) Johnson, you have weakened the veteran core. Badly.

Leadership on a hockey team usually doesn’t come from just one person, it comes from a group. The lack of leadership depth has put a lot of pressure on Zibanejad and Kreider and I think that it may be a factor affecting their play.

If you have followed my posts all summer, you know this isn’t a second guess.
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what’s the solution?

I’m thinking a full season would have included more open ice and more success.

This shortened season against these teams who know how to play defense is going to get tougher and tougher IMO. Might be the best thing for this team in the long run but in the meantime i can’t help but think kids look around that room and recognize “we don’t have a Captain”.
 
bobbop said:
Leadership starts with veteran players. All summer I’ve been lamenting the death of veteran players on this roster. When you subtract Lundqvist, Staal and Fast and your only veteran acquisition is Jack (cough, cough) Johnson, you have weakened the veteran core. Badly.

Leadership on a hockey team usually doesn’t come from just one person, it comes from a group. The lack of leadership depth has put a lot of pressure on Zibanejad and Kreider and I think that it may be a factor affecting their play.

If you have followed my posts all summer, you know this isn’t a second guess.
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But they did add some vets in Rooney, Blackwell, Bitetto.

Panarin, Kreider, Zbad, Strome, Buch, Trouba, Di Giuseppe, Johnson, Smith have all been in the league for years.

Are they supposed to replace any of Miller, Kakko, Laf, Fox, Howden, Lindgren, Lemiuex, Gauthier with vets?
 
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NYSPORTS said:
Tampa had to add some toughness on the boards to their skill. It’s premature for this team as the kids are still growing yet there will be games of boy power vs man power.
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Sure. But what assets are you sacrificing to do so.
 
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But they did add some vets in Rooney, Blackwell, Bitetto.

Panarin, Kreider, Zbad, Strome, Buch, Trouba, Di Giuseppe, Johnson, Smith have all been in the league for years.

Are they supposed to replace any of Miller, Kakko, Laf, Fox, Howden, Lindgren, Lemiuex, Gauthier with vets?
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You can add vets, but they have to be good. Otherwise you just guys like Michael Haley
 
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Kind of bummed our record is what it is. Lot to be excited about with this team. I'd love to know what JD is really thinking about the path forward.

Mark Messier isn't walking though that door. Adam Graves isn't walking through that door. Brian Leetch isn't walking though that door.

:pours a little more bourbon:
 
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So I love the trade the Hurricanes just did for Paquette. It’s obviously on a smaller scale but the Hurricanes added a cup winner, hard to play against, very usual bottom six player.

here is the cycle. Find player that wins cup that was traded off cup team for cap reasons. Try to get said player if available. Ottawa was never going to hang on to a player like that. Paquette would have been a great pick up here too.
 
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So I love the trade the Hurricanes just did for Paquette. It’s obviously on a smaller scale but the Hurricanes added a cup winner, hard to play against, very usual bottom six player.

here is the cycle. Find player that wins cup that was traded off cup team for cap reasons. Try to get said player if available. Ottawa was never going to hang on to a player like that. Paquette would have been a great pick up here too.
 
Good Intentions said:
Zibanejad playing rock, paper, scissors didn't hit me right. I think it's lame AF. Nothing amusing.

Premature - Why do I think K'Andre Miller could be the future captain?
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I think Miller is way too friendly lol, he’s such a gentle giant and I’m sure he’ll develop some nastiness but his personality is just that of such a nice guy. I think there’s a 99% chance Laf is the next captain, he has that Crosby-like work ethic and mindset, has an edge and seems like a big personality as well
 
Kreider and Zibanejad are good role models. Kreider has been looking out for guys in our locker room for quite a while and helping the Russian guys in particular adapting. He has worked damn hard for years.
Nobody had an issue with Mika when he was putting up great numbers. His leadership was never considered a major negative till he started dealing with COVID.

Why should Kreider be the one singled out for not fighting Ritchie? Rooney was right beside the big asshole. Bitetto and Lemieux have scrapped with plenty of big opponents. Is it literally because Kreider is strong and has been here longest?

You get lots of different types of leader. Yzerman and Lidstrom wouldn't have been dropping the gloves whenever somebody was out of line, McCarty would do it. Sure Toews might slash his opponents, but if the going got tough Brouwer or Burish or Shaw would be the ones expected to step up.

Zibanejad and Kreider are perfectly suitable players for our young guys to be around.
If you want a tougher style to our play in general, fine, but blame Quinn. He is dead against retaliation from what I can see. Certainly hasn't done Smith or ADA any favours to stand up for their goalie or their teammates.
 
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