Confirmed with Link: Rangers hire Gallant as HC

[chosen]

If they miss the playoffs I think that'll signal the first 'uh oh' of the rebuild.

That being said, I don't see a scenario where we miss the playoffs.

So pumped to see this team grow more under Gallant. He has shown he is an NHL playoffs caliber coach.

It's a near-universal belief here that if Quinn had been a good coach, the Rangers would have just made the playoffs, that he held them back.

If the team misses the playoffs next season, it somehow becomes a problem with the rebuild process, and not something to be blamed on the supposed much better coach with the better roster?

 

[pld459666]

It's a near-universal belief here that if Quinn had been a good coach, the Rangers would have just made the playoffs, that he held them back.

If the team misses the playoffs next season, it somehow becomes a problem with the rebuild process, and not something to be blamed on the supposed much better coach with the better roster?

ORRR,

And this is radical thinking.

It could be that other teams in the conference had better seasons....

Not possible?

 

[chosen]

Calm down.

Your question is based on hypothetical results for next season.

Even if we take not missing the playoffs to be the case Gallant is a better coach than David Quinn. The facts support this.

The fact that Gallant has made the playoffs before, been to the finals, won a Jack Adams and was then head coach when young players under him developed into stars would be some specific examples.

When David Quinn accomplishes these feats then he can be viewed as an equal coach to Gallant.

These are the facts and not just because or a feeling in my bones.

Your support of David Quinn seems to be a feeling in your bones that isnt shared by Drury, CBJ or Seattle.

Of course my question is based on hypotheticals. It's about future results.

Almost everyone here understands that the Rangers have to be a better team next season, based on natural progress from the kids, huge upgrades on D, Zib not having Covid, Panarin not being Putined, and the distractions of ADA.

My only point, like I said before, is that if the Rangers miss the playoffs with a better team, that Gallant will have failed. If Quinn failed with a worse team, what conclusion can be drawn from not making the playoffs under Gallant other than he did even worse? Isn't that fair?

Quinn has had two NHL seasons. No one knows how his coaching career will go, yet.

Vigneault has similar credentials to Gallant and is considered a moron, here. If Gallant gets similar results to Vigneault, here, he'll be hated by the fanbase, too. He's new, so he's not hated, yet.

It's not that I love Quinn. I'm of the belief that coaches don't matter all that much. That's why they're mostly on an endless carousel of being hired and fired. There are a couple of possible exceptions. Trotz appears to be a difference maker. Who else wins consistently?

By the way, Zibanejad and Panarin, their two best forwards, had their career seasons under Quinn.

 

[chosen]

ORRR,

And this is radical thinking.

It could be that other teams in the conference had better seasons....

Not possible?

But that goes against the groupthink that the Rangers vastly underachieved because of bad coaching.

 

[Kaapo Bustfreniere]

can we hire Jagr as the strength and conditioning coach?

Jágr is still playing so...

 

[Matt Rentfree]

Jágr is still playing so...

We're going to see these same 2 posts 10 years from now - the guy is a frikkin' mutant.

 

[TheGortonConspiracy]

Of course my question is based on hypotheticals. It's about future results.

Almost everyone here understands that the Rangers have to be a better team next season, based on natural progress from the kids, huge upgrades on D, Zib not having Covid, Panarin not being Putined, and the distractions of ADA.

My only point, like I said before, is that if the Rangers miss the playoffs with a better team, that Gallant will have failed. If Quinn failed with a worse team, what conclusion can be drawn from not making the playoffs under Gallant other than he did even worse? Isn't that fair?

Quinn has had two NHL seasons. No one knows how his coaching career will go, yet.

Vigneault has similar credentials to Gallant and is considered a moron, here. If Gallant gets similar results to Vigneault, here, he'll be hated by the fanbase, too. He's new, so he's not hated, yet.

It's not that I love Quinn. I'm of the belief that coaches don't matter all that much. That's why they're mostly on an endless carousel of being hired and fired. There are a couple of possible exceptions. Trotz appears to be a difference maker. Who else wins consistently?

By the way, Zibanejad and Panarin, their two best forwards, had their career seasons under Quinn.

If Gallant misses the playoffs in his first year with the org that is not a bigger failure than Quinn missing in his 3rd straight year with the team... you can't jump to conclusions after 1 year. Just my opinion though. Your point has been heard. But at the same time evaluating coaches is not a binary pass/fail based solely on whether or not the team makes the playoffs... otherwise half of the coaches each year would be fired. I was not a fan of the way the team was trending under Quinn so I for one welcome Gallant

 

[Rongomania]

It's a near-universal belief here that if Quinn had been a good coach, the Rangers would have just made the playoffs, that he held them back.

If the team misses the playoffs next season, it somehow becomes a problem with the rebuild process, and not something to be blamed on the supposed much better coach with the better roster?

Not once did I personally ever believe we were supposed to make the playoffs last year. Next year is the year I believed we would be able to get in. I will definitely have concerns about Gallant if we miss them next year with a healthy roster. I will also hate Quinn just a little less if Gallant can't get another level out of the kids and make the PO's. Additionally, I believe it would be a signal of a potentially greater problem (rebuild taking longer because the kids aren't progressing as fast as we hoped/we aren't thoroughly gelling as a team).

 

[TheGortonConspiracy]

Florida Return Special For Golden Knights' Video Coach

Or maybe this is where Boyce or Girardi come in?

Interesting, his linkedin has him as Video Coach at VGK until Nov 2020... now has him as a student at University of Phoenix until 2022
https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomas-cruz-9b0384203/

 

[pld459666]

But that goes against the groupthink that the Rangers vastly underachieved because of bad coaching.

Ultimately it doesn't matter.

If we get great coa hing we could still miss the POs.

If we get shitty coaching g we could MAKE the PO's if the young talent stops forward this year.

Its not all on Gallant

 

[Synergy27]

Not once did I personally ever believe we were supposed to make the playoffs last year. Next year is the year I believed we would be able to get in. I will definitely have concerns about Gallant if we miss them next year with a healthy roster. I will also hate Quinn just a little less if Gallant can't get another level out of the kids and make the PO's. Additionally, I believe it would be a signal of a potentially greater problem (rebuild taking longer because the kids aren't progressing as fast as we hoped/we aren't thoroughly gelling as a team).

Last year was supposed to be about the kids. It wasn’t, and that’s why not making the playoffs hurt so much.

They kicked the can down the road. Last year should have been hardcore evaluation time. Can Chytil displace Strome? Can Laf/Kakko succeed in the top 6 and on the PP? We didn’t gather data on those things, so now we’re forced to make moves somewhat on faith.

 

[chosen]

If Gallant misses the playoffs in his first year with the org that is not a bigger failure than Quinn missing in his 3rd straight year with the team... you can't jump to conclusions after 1 year. Just my opinion though. Your point has been heard. But at the same time evaluating coaches is not a binary pass/fail based solely on whether or not the team makes the playoffs... otherwise half of the coaches each year would be fired. I was not a fan of the way the team was trending under Quinn so I for one welcome Gallant

If a" lesser" coach like Quinn is blamed for missing the playoffs and a "better" coach misses the playoffs with a better team, and that's not deemed as Gallant's fault, there is an obvious error in logic.

 

[chosen]

Ultimately it doesn't matter.

If we get great coa hing we could still miss the POs.

If we get shitty coaching g we could MAKE the PO's if the young talent stops forward this year.

Its not all on Gallant

If a playoff miss next season would not be on Gallant, even with an improved roster, how could this past season be on Quinn, as many here maintain?

Does logic sometimes take a holiday?

 

[pld459666]

If a playoff miss next season would not be on Gallant, even with an improved roster, how could this past season be on Quinn, as many here maintain?

Does logic sometimes take a holiday?

It wasn't all on Quinn this year either

 

[CLW]

Quinn was just a shit coach. Unbelievable that people still try to cling on.

 

[eco's bones]

Last year was supposed to be about the kids. It wasn’t, and that’s why not making the playoffs hurt so much.

They kicked the can down the road. Last year should have been hardcore evaluation time. Can Chytil displace Strome? Can Laf/Kakko succeed in the top 6 and on the PP? We didn’t gather data on those things, so now we’re forced to make moves somewhat on faith.

The kids have to earn their ice time too. Lafreniere struggled for a while. It’s a big jump from the Q to the NHL and he went a good 10 months because of covid not playing any competitive hockey. He’s not a particularly fast skater and other teams took advantage of that early on. By the end of year he was much better at how to position himself on the forecheck and backcheck and we could see his confidence growing in his offensive game. Kakko’s play without the puck improved a lot. He’s still too hesitant when it comes to finishing plays though. Miller got a shitload of ice time for a first year pro. Fox became an elite defenseman. Chytil’s season to some extent was derailed by his injury. Kravtsov was a late season addition. He looked very good but he mostly played 4th line. Gauthier didn’t do enough really to earn a 3rd line spot. He kind of got out hustled throughout the year by Blackwell.

A coach is going to try to win as many games as possible. The Rangers division was the toughest in the league and we were the cutoff team of those who didn’t make it. Perhaps if we had made it Quinn would still have his job.

 

[eco's bones]

Lafreniere played all 56 games. He averaged 1:16 in power play time and put up 0 points. It’s not like he didn’t get any power play ice time. Kakko averaged 1:19 in 48 games and scored 2 goals and had a helper. In his rookie season most of his points were power play.

Forcing power play time to some of our kids last year would have made for a worse power play. We were 14th in the league which isn’t great but also isn’t horrible. Again coaches want to win. Their jobs depend on it. Quinn didn’t win enough—now he doesn’t have a job. Does anyone thinks Gallant isn’t going to try to win as many games as possible? Hopefully he does better than Quinn.

 

[LOFIN]

Lafreniere played all 56 games. He averaged 1:16 in power play time and put up 0 points. It’s not like he didn’t get any power play ice time. Kakko averaged 1:19 in 48 games and scored 2 goals and had a helper. In his rookie season most of his points were power play.

That 1:19 per game doesn't really mean that much when the team is on the powerplay for 5:19 on average per game. If the majority of that PP time comes when there's around 30 seconds left for the powerplay and the puck is on your end of the ice, how much can you really do with it?

 

[GAGLine]

If Gallant misses the playoffs in his first year with the org that is not a bigger failure than Quinn missing in his 3rd straight year with the team... you can't jump to conclusions after 1 year. Just my opinion though. Your point has been heard. But at the same time evaluating coaches is not a binary pass/fail based solely on whether or not the team makes the playoffs... otherwise half of the coaches each year would be fired. I was not a fan of the way the team was trending under Quinn so I for one welcome Gallant

Do you really think that's fair? In his first year, we were just starting the rebuild. We had just traded McDonagh and Miller at the previous deadline and there were many more trades to come. No one expected us to make the playoffs that year. In Quinn's 2nd year, we were pushing for a playoff spot when Covid hit. And we were pushing for a spot this year but fell short. Maybe we should have made it, but there were a lot of things that went wrong this year that were outside the coach's control.

Saying Quinn failed to make the playoffs for 3 years is true, but it entirely ignores all of the relevant context.

 

[Chytilmania]

Do you really think that's fair? In his first year, we were just starting the rebuild. We had just traded McDonagh and Miller at the previous deadline and there were many more trades to come. No one expected us to make the playoffs that year. In Quinn's 2nd year, we were pushing for a playoff spot when Covid hit. And we were pushing for a spot this year but fell short. Maybe we should have made it, but there were a lot of things that went wrong this year that were outside the coach's control.

Saying Quinn failed to make the playoffs for 3 years is true, but it entirely ignores all of the relevant context.

Two of those seasons were shit shows with COVID so he didn't get a fair chance. However, this team did need a change because if they did have full seasons and make the playoffs, they were probably an easy out. The team has a hard time stepping up during big games.

 

[Synergy27]

That 1:19 per game doesn't really mean that much when the team is on the powerplay for 5:19 on average per game. If the majority of that PP time comes when there's around 30 seconds left for the powerplay and the puck is on your end of the ice, how much can you really do with it?

Thanks for getting ahead of me on this. I’d bet that 75% of Laf and Kakko’s PP time last year was during the last 25 seconds of the PP starting in their own zone after a clearance.

 

[East Coast Bias]

I think it was a good time to move on but I don’t think Quinn fell short of expectations. I didn’t really expect much the past 3 years. If you go back to the preseason predictions thread nearly everyone pegged us as just falling short of the playoffs this year.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Gerard Gallant gives first interview as New York Rangers head coach - Forever Blueshirts: A site for New York Rangers fanatics

 

[leetch99]

Gerard Gallant gives first interview as New York Rangers head coach - Forever Blueshirts: A site for New York Rangers fanatics

I did not know of his sister passing .

 

[JohnC]

I think it was a good time to move on but I don’t think Quinn fell short of expectations. I didn’t really expect much the past 3 years. If you go back to the preseason predictions thread nearly everyone pegged us as just falling short of the playoffs this year.

I thought he’d do a better job of changing the work ethic of the team. They showed flashes in year 1 but it evaporated in years 2 & 3. Whether it was because the locker room became a country club or the system was just so non-existent, the players looked like they only tried when they felt like it.