Post-Game Talk: Rangers @ Caps -- 10/13/21

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My lines:
Panarin-Zib-Kakko
Laf-Strome-Goodrow
Kreider-Chytil-Blais
Hunt-Rooney-Reeves

Hold line 2-4 back a little. Don't cost us a game. They would play well and be hard to face and wear teams down, but not be too fancy. The top line is the top line.
 
Tinordi should never see the ice again.
Laf just doesn't show me anything. He doesn't have elite speed, hands, vision. Trying to figure out the type of player he will be and i can't.
Zibby got his contract too early.
Panarin may be a bit out of game shape, but he still made a ton of plays. Puck just wasn't going in.

If we bury some of the chances we had in the first period, its a different game. Once Georgie started to show his ass, it was like flies on rotting meat.
 
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Was that him? Was that Wilson?

That was him. That was Wilson alright.

Then why didn't you beat his f***ing head in?
 
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Basic strategy going into the game- don’t take penalties. What do the Rangers do, immediately start taking penalties. Washington has a terrific power play and the Rangers gift them far too many power plays within this game. They had no chance.

Sammy better not be a penalty king and it looks like he might be. When you get “tougher” you also run the risk of being penalty prone.
 
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To me G looked shaky(even throughout the preseason) out of position a lot. I’m not sure if it’s a lack of confidence in himself or the d but this is not the same goalie that took over for Hank when he was injured. Tindori should never see the lineup again. Goodrow was meh, I actually would’ve liked him to be the 4th line c over Rooney and have run blais-chytil-krav/gauthier. Can we just move kakko to stromes spot on the pp? Sure they got 1 ppg but they looked awful all game.
 
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Kreider is a problem in the top 6.

And this has been true for his entire career and yet he’s lived in this role his entire career. He’s just a really tough hockey player for coaches to slot into their lineup. He’s too good to get third line minutes and does not play a tough game but he’s not skilled enough to play in the top 6. That’s why he should have become someone else’s problem a long time ago.
 
MacTavish 1st NHL goal in first NHL game I believe, age 18 and we refuse to give Vitali a roster spot. Embarrassing franchise.

But then people post about Miller being rushed to the NHL and we are currently rly watching Laf struggle to even be noticeable in most games. We can all cherry pick examples and then use hyperbole too.
 
Everyone remain calm. The team will get better. We’ve added a bunch of new faces. It’s going to take a little time to get the right line combos and for the guys to know each others style so we don’t see a Blais/chytil collision and some guys zigging when they should have zagged to receive a pass/make a play.
We had some good glimpses, but there is still work to be done of course. A couple of things that should be addressed immediately are
- Tinordi should only play when covering for an injury. We are plenty tough without needing to dress him
-the PK needs more work. I’m sure Gallant didn’t practice special teams a lot in camp preseason.
He had a lot of stuff to address. New players, 1st year coach, etc
I’m sure practicing the PP/Pk will come as things get going on the routine of the season
- if Zibby/LaF are going to be tied at the hip this year, it’s vital to find a 3rd member of that line that clicks with them. I don’t care who it is, but it’s vital to the teams success that those 2 are engaged and have chemistry with their 3rd line mate.
-Panarin strome combo looked ok. Strome usually takes a bit to get going. Panarin looks good. I liked the chemistry between him and kakko. I’m less worried then I was before about pairing them together
-Miller has to up his game a bit. I’m not expecting him to be a Norris candidate, but he cant make the same mistakes, or go backwards from last year. He needs to play well because trouba needs a capable partner if that pair is going to see heavy minutes.
- Georgiev has got to go. I’ve been saying this since the end of last year.
The inconsistency and shakey outings mess with the teams morale/psyche. Your back up goalie has you’ve you a chance to win when his number is called. These feast or famine performances with him suck. If he lets in a bad goal, he crumbles. He doesn’t have a short memory like goalies need to forget the last play and focus on the next. He also has a higher cap hit then he’s worth. Trade him soon
 
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My thoughts:

1. This is a good example of what wins/loses a hockey game in this league. An unnecessary slashing penalty by Nemeth gives Caps a good shot at jumping ahead to 1-0. Look at the odds, a big chunk of the war is won by the teams that scores first/lost by the team that gives up the first goal. There are some penalties both ways in a hockey game. But at that point of the game, like the players shouldn’t take any penalties and that is a fierce slash by Nemeth.

After that we give up 2-0 that is waived off, and it’s caused by Barclay Goodrow taking a run at a Caps D instead of staying back as the 3rd guy. That would have been game-over (like what 95% of the time? Down 2-0 on away ice).

I am not much for cliches, but the saying ‘it’s hard to win a hockey game but easy to lose it’ stays true. It’s gonna take some magic for us to win the game the first 10 minutes, but we came close to giving it away.

2. Why do I bring this up? This is where GG has his work cut out for him.

Like once it’s 3-0, is it odd that things starts to fall apart? Tampa gave up 6 to Pittsburgh the other night. It’s Trouba here and Miller there, Ziba/Strome/the 4th, it’s Georgiev. I firmly believe that the problem with this team is the opposite of being individual, we don’t have a winning identity on a collective level.

When you don’t have that, individuals will be exposed. It’s as simple as that. The play of 3-4 players on our roster did not cost us this game. It has nothing to do with that. Nothing. You are 6 guys on the ice to start with. From their it’s about rigging the odds in your favor.

Mistakes will happen both ways but (a) we weren’t disciplined on away ice for the season opener against a veteran team and (b) we didn’t pay much attention to not giving up odd man rushes on away ice for the season opener against a veteran team.

We perhaps didn’t do much of (c), which is giving up counter attacks due to forcing high risk plays when the odds don’t make it worth it, which has cost us a ton go games the last 2 years. So that is always something.

3. Caps back down and take away time and space infront of their net. When you are gift wrapped a lead that is easy to do, and very hard to penetrate. We shouldn’t make too big of a deal of us missing an edge in that sense.

BUT, if we look at the chances we did create, it’s so obvious that against a team playing like this, you need an offensive punch from the blue line to open things up. We only really have that when Fox is out there.

4: Overall, on an individual level, I liked what I saw. I thought Miller and Trouba especially had some effective shifts taking away ice and moving the puck.

5. Panarin looks out of shape.

6. On the PK, we try to ace it. We were just overly ambitious. Nothing wrong with trying, but the Caps are so experienced and poised on the PP even without 19. When we can’t pressure them, you need to cut your losses and shrink around the net more.

One of the best posts I’ve read in here maybe ever. The needless penalties, lazy plays and overall lack of execution and situational awareness is what plagued this group under Quinn( on top of awful coaching) but, as you correctly point out, it’s very difficult for coaches to stop players from their lazy habits. Every single penalty last night would fall into a “lazy or terrible” penalty category especially because the ones that actually mattered( early in the game) came right as the Rangers were building momentum. What’s frustrating is a lot of these penalties were from new guys which makes me wonder if now they’ve combined lazy and uninspired with unaware and penalty prone.

No amount of skill can overcome lazy, uninspired, unaware and penalty prone.
 
They all did.

That goes back to the problem where it's a young team and the veterans are kinda just...well, they have their games.

We're working on that.

It was widely reported that they were naming a captain and then they just didn't and pulled some other stunt. That's pretty telling.

I wouldn't be surprised if they sign a guy to be their captain a la Rob Blake on the Sharks if nobody emerges by next summer.

This is my main long-term concern. Young team, new coach, but where are the vets?
 
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I thought Miller was better last night, but still not up to the level he’s capable of.

Willing to give him time to get it back
 
I thought Laf had fire to his game but still hasn’t had the puck on his stick enough.

Blais absolutely trucks guys but obviously needs to stay out the box

Georgie battled and wasn’t as bad as it seemed but the bottom line is he is letting too many pucks behind him.

Tinordi looked lost and looked overmatched and slow at this level. Need to give Nils a shot, immediately

Zib was very quiet. Thought we would see more from him especially vs the Caps. But it’s one game

Panarin was in full bread mode

Kakko looked a little jittery. Would like to see him pop one in tonight so this doesn’t become an opening season snake bite thing that lasts a dozen

Chytil looked good. I like that he is on that second unit.

Everyone else was pretty pedestrian.
 
This is my main long-term concern. Young team, new coach, but where are the vets?

I could be wrong of course but to me it seems like the vets we do have just don’t have that killer instinct and none of them seem to be that Alpha that sets the tone and drags everyone else, even if they’re kicking and screaming, into the fight along with him.

The whole captain by committee scenario they fell back on after making such a big deal about it all summer seems to speak to the fact that none of these guys are comfortable/confident being that guy so they all just blend into some amorphous leadership group.

I know for a lot of people having a captain is just window dressing and mostly fan service but I’d rather have one guy that cracks the whip that the team responds to than what seems to be an ever expanding cast of assistant captains that all seem more content being one of the guys instead of being The Guy!

I think it definitely contributes to the lack of focus and inability to deal with adversity because they all respond in similar fashion. The sulking looks and monotone canned responses are far too prevalent, does anyone on this team actually get angry after a loss or do they just resort to looking like someone stole their lunch money?
 
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Hit stats tells you who didn't have the puck. Lack of possession is correlated with losing. The panic moves to address a few on ice incidents will hurt this team until they figure out the real problem, which was effort in my eyes.

They focused on team toughness and it showed in the game. And it showed what they failed to focus on.

Playing Tinirdi over Lundkvist says it all. One of several guys brought in for their one specialty that couldn't get rid of the puck fast enough no matter where they threw it. Lack of trust, value on the wrong skills, poor vision from management.

And not having a captain isn't the problem. The lack of a viable candidate speaks volumes.
 
If this doesn’t sum up the entire damn problem with our offseason I don’t know what does.

I noticed Blais getting a lot of praise. I’m not entirely sure why. He hit a lot of people I guess. Does that help them win though? Really?
That brand of hockey can really work in the playoffs, where the refs swallow their whistles, and you can really grind down guys game after game.

As far as the regular season, the Caps probably woke up sore this morning, but there won't be any lasting scars.

I liked that we were finishing our checks last night, but the other players on the ice need to read and react when that happens. We were giving up odd man rushes all night.

I'm obviously upset at the result, but it's not time for panic. My expectation was never that we would be a finished product game 1. You have a new coach, and there is going to be a learning curve while players settle in. Problem is, we need to at least keep our heads above water these first 15-20 games. A slow start could easily cost us a playoff berth.

Some thoughts on specific players:
-Tinordi should be in the press box or in Hartford. He's just not good enough to be a regular.
-Nemeth looked ok, but I think in a perfect world, he's your 7th D.
-Miller's leash should be getting shorter. You see all the tools and wonder what could be, but trotting him out there for Top-4 minutes doesn't appear to be doing him any favors.
-Trouba looked comfortable. He's never going to be an $8M guy, but I try to divorce his contract from what he actually does on the ice.
-Lindgren looked a little rusty, but nothing concerning.
-Fox is Fox. Dude is absolutely unreal.
-Kreider still struggles to make an impact game in and game out at ES. He threw a couple solid hits, but was mostly invisible.
-Mika looked invisible. He's not someone I worry about though. He'll find his game.
-Laf looked invisible at ES, and straight up bad on the PP. Really not seeing any dynamic aspect to his play, which is concerning.
-Kakko looks primed to break out. Still not his best game, but he found ways to get scoring chances regardless.
-Strome was invisible. I don't know if it's physical limitation, or just poor conditioning, but the kid has always looked like a lazy hockey player, even as he continues to put up points.
-Panarin had moments of brilliance despite looking absolutely gassed the second half of the game.
-Blais looked good, but the kid thinks he's more skilled than he is and carries the puck way too long. Still, a lot to like about his game.
-Chytil needs wingers who can get him the puck. Really don't like that line composition. I really think he might pair well with Panarin, but I think Strome becomes a net negative if you push him down the lineup.
-Goodrow looked ok. He's a hound on the puck, and he moves with purpose. I'm just skeptical about his place in the lineup. He's paid like a 3rd liner, but I think his optimal place in on the 4th line.
-Hunt played well. Did everything you could ask a 4th liner to do.
-Rooney was alright. Didn't really make an glaring mistakes, but I feel like he's not really a plus player on the 4th line.
-Reaves was as advertised. Absolutely punishing, but terrible with the puck on his stick. While I appreciate what he brings, I really hope he doesn't play 82 games. Play him against the heavy teams, but insert other players when a different aspect is needed.
 
What bothered me is that they didn’t utilize the preseason enough. This is the first game with the full line up. The lines should have gotten more gametime together.

hopefully can stay at 500 hockey up to game 20. Hopefully that’s where things start clicking…. I miss Jacques Martin

Georgiev starting- big L
Strome on the right and our PP - big L
PK - big L
Tinordi over Lundkvist - big L

these things are fixable
 
I could be wrong of course but to me it seems like the vets we do have just don’t have that killer instinct and none of them seem to be that Alpha that sets the tone and drags everyone else, even if they’re kicking and screaming, into the fight along with him.

The whole captain by committee scenario they fell back on after making such a big deal about it all summer seems to speak to the fact that none of these guys are comfortable/confident being that guy so they all just blend into some amorphous leadership group
To me, the fact that they didn't name a captain tells you all you need to know about this "leadership" group. While they all seem like genuinely good locker room guys, none of our As have that willingness to speak with authority to their team mates, and hold them accountable. Laf seems to have that in his DNA, but you need to go out there and make an impact to be able to speak credibly to your team mates, and Laf just isn't there yet.
 
Laffy is slowly starting to play more like his juniors version of himself. He was credited with 3 hits but I saw him physical out there nearly every shift trying to hit guys. Still yet to see that creativity and all world vision but it's nice to see him throw the body around a little bit. Kakko I thought looked good, created chances and shots. Offense as a whole didn't get a lot going unfortunately.
 
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The game was over the minute Georgiev was announced as the starter.

I also would like to make a slight change

lafreniere zibanejad kakko
Panarin Strome Kreider
Goodrow Chytil Gauthier
Blais Rooney Reaves
 
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