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Post-Game Talk: Rangers @ Caps -- 10/13/21

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CLW said:
Yup. Kakko and Chytil (who also looked strong but quite alone on his line tonight) go very well together. Kreider on LW would be a good fit for them, only problem is that that line quickly could become the 3rd line when they (Kakko and Chytil) deserve much more minutes, because Strome.

Drury and Sather shat the nest shipping Buch out for "culture change" (nothing against Blais). Zib looked very lost tonight. Maybe Kravtsov could have helped there, but he doesn't seem to be the most stable dependable type so maybe it's best he goes too along with some remaining deadwood/poor fits.

And it's funny Kreider got praise for being physical tonight, but his overall game suffered as a result, same (very noticeably) for Laf.
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Ya know in thinking this over, I'm struck by this game and the final preseason game. Now, I get that you can't compare a preseason game with a regular season game, but I do think it's instructive.

In that Islander game, Panarin, Zib and Kreider didn't play. Strome got hurt. Yet, we battled and battled and battled in that game. This game, we kinda gave up. Why? How? But our vets played this one??? Right?

Gallant did that thing that Quinn used to do. Hey, we're losing. Let's ride Zibby and Panarin. And soooo many times the team looks flat. Why are we starting periods with the zibby line when they have yet to show they're capable of sustained zone time? Why isn't the Chytil line or the 4th line starting every period if they're such a great tone setter?

For this season to go differently, we need some of our young core to rise to the surface in regards to leadership and TOI. We need to start riding Kakko and Chytil more. We need to put those two together and supply them with the right linemate that makes them go. And then we need to sort out the vet lines. But Kakko and Chytil need to be getting far more minutes and together. I don't like Kakko with Panarin because he defers too much. I like Kakko with Chytil because they are both great on the forecheck, great on the boards and where Kakko passes, Chytil shoots. Please Gallant, please put your two young horses together and let them set the tone. And let Panarin and Zib and the vets be a complimentary line.

Same for D, We need to keep riding Fox and possibly Trouba. And we need to see what Jones, Lundkvist and maybe Schneids can do.

I really don't like how the older leadership core just keeps allowing games like this to happen no matter the circumstance. It's a reason there's no captain. None of them legit know how to lead in-game. None.
 
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Machinehead said:
I mean, we had more hits than shots.
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If this doesn’t sum up the entire damn problem with our offseason I don’t know what does.

I noticed Blais getting a lot of praise. I’m not entirely sure why. He hit a lot of people I guess. Does that help them win though? Really?
 
Levitate said:
The issue with Zibanejad's line so far is that they just have no cohesion yet. Guys go in to forecheck and don't know where they're going with the puck, they throw passes to where no one is, etc. Just real lack of puck support I guess
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A big problem is that Kreider barely uses his speed effectively anymore. He coasts 90% of the time he's out there, like he's trying to slow the play down. Dude is the fastest skater in the league but barely uses it. He used to be so effective using his speed in the offensive zone to open up lanes and then to win pucks. It seems the last year or so he's just not doing it effectively enough.

He meshed so well with Zibanejad in the past because he was constantly using his speed to open up lanes both in transition and in the offensive zone so it would create space for Zibanejad to slash into the open areas and get high danger chances. They're not playing the way anymore and IMO it's on Kreider.

And his slowing down and delaying when he has the puck is enraging because it's become his default. He gets the puck on his stick with a clear lane in front of him and instead of creating separation and charging the lane when the defender is sagging he instead pauses and lets the defender get on top of him. it's infuriating. I know he's not McDavid I'm not expecting him to do stuff like that I'm just talking about attacking open lanes and charging north when the opening is there, stop hesitating and delaying and letting the defense get the upper hand. You don't need to be cerebral every time you get the puck, you're Chris Kreider not Patrick Kane - and that's okay. Stop playing like you're not Chris Kreider.

And you're right on the lack of puck support. Everything is one man in by himself while the other two dawdle off in no man's land, then it's turned over and right out. Actually think Lafreniere-Zibanejad can be a good duo but they need someone else on the RW.
 
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mas0764 said:
If this doesn’t sum up the entire damn problem with our offseason I don’t know what does.

I noticed Blais getting a lot of praise. I’m not entirely sure why. He hit a lot of people I guess. Does that help them win though? Really?
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Yes, it will help them win most nights, just not tonight. Blais was very good.
 
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I Eat Crow said:
@Loki Dog 74 , I'm not ringing the alarm bells on Lafreniere yet, but if he's still looking like this in January and is sitting with 10 points in 40 games, then yes, I'll start to worry.

Kakko looks like he belongs in the top 6 at least. He's putting himself in positions to make opportunities happen. The points will come for him. Strome looked nervous and Zibanejad and Panarin were mentally still on summer vacation.

Georgiev, Tinordi, Miller, Lindgren, Lafreniere were all awful. These games happen, but as long as it doesn't become a trend of looking like a Dark Ages team from 2000-2003 then I'm not going to worry....yet.
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I’m worried.
 
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Watching the young guys on the Canucks is so frustrating because none of our young guys flash that offensive flair or swagger except yenno Vitali Kravtsov. Laf & Kakko look like vets who are journeymen, not like top draft picks who are yet to put it together. No flash.
 
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gravey9 said:
Ya know in thinking this over, I'm struck by this game and the final preseason game. Now, I get that you can't compare a preseason game with a regular season game, but I do think it's instructive.

In that Islander game, Panarin, Zib and Kreider didn't play. Strome got hurt. Yet, we battled and battled and battled in that game. This game, we kinda gave up. Why? How? But our vets played this one??? Right?

Gallant did that thing that Quinn used to do. Hey, we're losing. Let's ride Zibby and Panarin. And soooo many times the team looks flat. Why are we starting periods with the zibby line when they have yet to show they're capable of sustained zone time? Why isn't the Chytil line or the 4th line starting every period if they're such a great tone setter?

For this season to go differently, we need some of our young core to rise to the surface in regards to leadership and TOI. We need to start riding Kakko and Chytil more. We need to put those two together and supply them with the right linemate that makes them go. And then we need to sort out the vet lines. But Kakko and Chytil need to be getting far more minutes and together. I don't like Kakko with Panarin because he defers too much. I like Kakko with Chytil because they are both great on the forecheck, great on the boards and where Kakko passes, Chytil shoots. Please Gallant, please put your two young horses together and let them set the tone. And let Panarin and Zib and the vets be a complimentary line.

Same for D, We need to keep riding Fox and possibly Trouba. And we need to see what Jones, Lundkvist and maybe Schneids can do.

I really don't like how the older leadership core just keeps allowing games like this to happen no matter the circumstance. It's a reason there's no captain. None of them legit know how to lead in-game. None.
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How does a new coach who doesn't know the old coach do the exact same things? It's like a head coaching trope: ride your "best" players when times are tough. What blows my mind is PP1 was the same 4 right handed shots. Gallant doesn't know Quinn yet went to the same well.

The only thing that worked for the kids was putting them together. They don't work well with the vets.
 
mas0764 said:
If this doesn’t sum up the entire damn problem with our offseason I don’t know what does.

I noticed Blais getting a lot of praise. I’m not entirely sure why. He hit a lot of people I guess. Does that help them win though? Really?
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Blais is an effective physical player. He hits with purpose and with great timing. He's not coasting out of position to hit someone. He's in on the forecheck and he's checking to create turnovers and to punish the defense. Those are things that contribute to winning hockey games. He's honestly an ideal bottom 6 grinder IMO.
 
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will1066 said:
How does a new coach who doesn't know the old coach do the exact same things? It's like a head coaching trope: ride your "best" players when times are tough. What blows my mind is PP1 was the same 4 right handed shots. Gallant doesn't know Quinn yet went to the same well.

The only thing that worked for the kids was putting them together. They don't work well with the vets.
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I don't know who or what Laf works well with. But otherwise, yeah, the kids need ice. they need lots of it. They're just as responsible at this point and more effective at generating chance in tight checking games. It's mind boggling that we don't figure out a way to make them focal points out there. Instead they just defer, defer, defer and look totally disjointed.
 
I'll gladly be in the minority but Georgiev was absolutely hung out to dry tonight and I can't really pin anything on him. I don't think Igor would have faired much better with the abomination in the ice in front of him. Igor could have started tonight and tomorrow - he needs to get going in a groove pronto, unless they want Igor at home opener and against MTL on Saturday, then I understand. (and possibly let Georgiev have TOR right after)

Lots of passengers, if not just plain invisible on that ice tonight wearing white, especially after the first. I think our next game against the caps will look different.

Gallant had more chicken scratches on his notepad than the floor of a chicken coup, he's got his work cut out for him and I'm not worried at this point.

Get in from the ledge everyone! :)

Cheers
 
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mas0764 said:
If this doesn’t sum up the entire damn problem with our offseason I don’t know what does.

I noticed Blais getting a lot of praise. I’m not entirely sure why. He hit a lot of people I guess. Does that help them win though? Really?
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We had the puck an awful lot when he was on the ice. The issue under Gorton/Quinn was that we always talked about grit, but it was never meaningful. We took by far the most penalties in the league during Quinn's tenure and never forechcked.

I don't think hitting or not hitting was the problem tonight. The forecheck was strong. The problem tonight was that the defense had a meltdown and the forward lines mostly didn't have any chemistry.

I think we just need some different looks in our lineup.
 
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Unpredictable1 said:
I'll gladly be in the minority but Georgiev was absolutely hung out to dry tonight and I can't really pin anything on him. I don't think Igor would have faired much better with the abomination in the ice in front of him. Igor could have started tonight and tomorrow - he needs to get going in a groove pronto, unless they want Igor at home opener and against MTL on Saturday, then I understand. (and possibly let Georgiev have TOR right after)

Lots of passengers, if not just plain invisible on that ice tonight wearing white, especially after the first. I think our next game against the caps will look different.

Gallant had more chicken scratches on his notepad than the floor of a chicken coup, he's got his work cut out for him and I'm not worried at this point.

Get in from the ledge everyone! :)

Cheers
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I dont agree with those that say he stunk, but also don;t think he was anything special.

The big thing that you don't get with Georgy that you do get with Shesty and it makes a world of difference is possession. Shesty plays such a calm game that he tends to limit the amount of rebound goals and scrambly plays in front of him. On top of that, he's not too shabby with the puck. The game turned on power plays but we were doing pretty well until we strung a bunch of shifts together where multiple poor decisions were made and pucks were getting turned over and not getting out of the zone. A few times that was due to Georgy handling the puck and giving it away. And other times, it was our D and Fs.

But between the poor puck management and Georgys lack of rebound control -- he overworks a young D that really struggles at times regardless. The team has a hard time playing in front of him. and its been that way for a few seasons now. And to be fair, Hank looked very similar towards the end of his career. Too many rebounds, not enough control/possession.

You could say we played a lazy game that at times lacked passion and that would be correct. But it starts with multiple dumb plays that rip the heart out of the team. Hope Lundkvist and Shesty can provide more possession next game.
 
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Could be worse.

At least Dolan isn't sitting there insisting we've had the best team for five years now and five times it just wasn't our year and nothing needs to change.

Not mentioning any names.
 
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Well Dolan, you got your wish. We threw plenty of big hits today.


...and then lost the hockey game by way of we put 4 less pucks in the net than they did

but we hit everyone
 
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gravey9 said:
I dont agree with those that say he stunk, but also don;t think he was anything special.

The big thing that you don't get with Georgy that you do get with Shesty and it makes a world of difference is possession. Shesty plays such a calm game that he tends to limit the amount of rebound goals and scrambly plays in front of him. On top of that, he's not too shabby with the puck. The game turned on power plays but we were doing pretty well until we strung a bunch of shifts together where multiple poor decisions were made and pucks were getting turned over and not getting out of the zone. A few times that was due to Georgy handling the puck and giving it away. And other times, it was our D and Fs.

But between the poor puck management and Georgys lack of rebound control -- he overworks a young D that really struggles at times regardless. The team has a hard time playing in front of him. and its been that way for a few seasons now. And to be fair, Hank looked very similar towards the end of his career. Too many rebounds, not enough control/possession.

You could say we played a lazy game that at times lacked passion and that would be correct. But it starts with multiple dumb plays that rip the heart out of the team. Hope Lundkvist and Shesty can provide more possession next game.
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Georgiev is not good, especially with the puck, and does put more pressure on his defense. That confusion is what caused a loss and the blowout between him and TDA last year. I'm not a fan and think both Kinkaid and Wall could be better choices.
 
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