GDT: Rangers breakup day, 11:30am ET

[Jaromir Jagr]

The injury list wasn't really a big surprise to me if that's more or less everything serious. Actually even less of an excuse than I thought it could be.

Fox was obvious and even seemed less than what I expected. Trouba, per Larry, was more or less completely healed by the playoffs so certainly no excuse for him. Lindgren sucked ass before the ECF so the rib had no impact that I could tell. Vesey sat out.

The truth is, cracked rib, broken ankle, or no injury, those guys shouldn't have been playing. They were awful when they were healthy and perhaps the most telling thing is that there really wasn't a big drop-off when they weren't.

If the Rangers don't move on from at least one of them, with the other permanently stapled to the 3rd pair in sheltered minutes (or better as the 7th D), next season will be another one we can consider completely lost.

With Laf and Fox entering their primes and Igor in the midst of his, there is absolutely no choice but to retool as best you can and continue going for it. Removing Trouba & Lindgren will be a massive upgrade for this team and then you supplement the forward core at the deadline.

 

[duhmetreE]

His play literally never improved, so it is obvious that while maybe the damage was healed, it was still impacting him.

he was ass before the injury

 

[will1066]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1798044969288221151

*Suffered during playoffs, didn't heal before playoffs

 

[LOFIN]

Gold star for saying the right things now after whining to anyone who would listen his whole career that he deserves more icetime.

I have read plenty of his interviews in Finnish and that's not really how he has come across for me. There is a big distinction between "I don't like the way I'm being used" and saying "I deserve more icetime".

He was drafted 2nd overall. He played in big roles before his draft. He scored plenty of goals. Of course he wants that. But he has also been pretty upfront that he hasn't done enough, he has been disappointed in his own game etc. And at times when he has thought he has played good, he has always said "it doesn't matter how good it looks if you don't produce".

I think it's best for both parties if they move him, but frankly nothing will be solved unless this organization makes a decision to separate Kreider and Zibanejad instead of trying to find that RW that lifts their game. They have tried plenty already. And not once have they thought about separating them.

 

[will1066]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1798073190528561364

https://x.com/i/web/status/1798063186647867434

 

[Hunter Gathers]

he was ass before the injury

Not remotely the point. I never said otherwise. I said he wasn't missing big hits, etc. before the injury. The injury clearly slowed him down and hindered his agility. It made him go from well below average to utterly atrocious.

 

[nsvoyageurs]

"I broke my ankle 9 months ago and that's why I was in the 3rd row of the stands when Bennett scored the first goal of game 6 that basically ended our season"

They should have put Trouba on LTIR; they could've upgraded the dman corps and added a legit RW.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Well that’s 20 player interviews and here’s the Coach. Not sure if we’ll get a Panarin interview?
Drury would be a major get, but I won’t be holding my breath.
Should be a wrap.

lol. Completely forgot about Trouba or am I projecting?
No Panarin
No Trouba

Not that I care but if it’s put up, I’ll post it.

 

[Hire Sather]

The injury list wasn't really a big surprise to me if that's more or less everything serious. Actually even less of an excuse than I thought it could be.

Fox was obvious and even seemed less than what I expected. Trouba, per Larry, was more or less completely healed by the playoffs so certainly no excuse for him. Lindgren sucked ass before the ECF so the rib had no impact that I could tell. Vesey sat out.

The truth is, cracked rib, broken ankle, or no injury, those guys shouldn't have been playing. They were awful when they were healthy and perhaps the most telling thing is that there really wasn't a big drop-off when they weren't.

If the Rangers don't move on from at least one of them, with the other permanently stapled to the 3rd pair in sheltered minutes (or better as the 7th D), next season will be another one we can consider completely lost.

With Laf and Fox entering their primes and Igor in the midst of his, there is absolutely no choice but to retool as best you can and continue going for it. Removing Trouba & Lindgren will be a massive upgrade for this team and then you supplement the forward core at the deadline.

How do we continue to ice a good team after having to pay Igor and Laf?

Trading Igor this off-season would be the balls move to do.

You certainly can't give him a 12 million per yr contract on a long term.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Speaking of hopium Jon...

How is it hopium to expect a guy to play like he did just before injury? I never said he played good. I said he still had the ability to hit. You just don't lose that ability overnight unless you're injured.

I'm assuming you're being cheeky, here, since I can't see you being silly enough to compare a 6th-year forward never improving and somehow doing things he's never done going forward with a guy who was hurt and his play fell off from 6-7 months prior.

I think Trouba sucks and I can't wait to move him. Doesn't change the fact that he looked completely lost skating after he was injured. His skating and agility were shot after that. Maybe he is permanently f***ed in that regard, I guess, but I find that relatively unlikely.

 

[Filip Chytil]

Drury should just ignore the noise and build the line we all know he's always wanted to build:

Dryden Hunt-Brett Howden-Sammy Blais

Three Ranger greats. Can't go wrong. Make it happen, Chris.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

If Igor is smart he'll take a team discount, it never goes well when you max out your contract, people inevitably turn on you. If he took a 8x9 everyone should be happy, fans, player, team. If he hits 11 or 12, eventually that's all we'll talk about.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

They should have put Trouba on LTIR; they could've upgraded the dman corps and added a left RW.

I really think Drury GM'd like a giant p***y this year. He absolutely should've done that just as he should have traded for Guentzel.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1798073190528561364

https://x.com/i/web/status/1798063186647867434

Most useful Vince has ever been.

It's interesting that the Trouba interview is the only one that NYR YT hasn't posted (or at least it was the last I checked.)

 

[Ruggs225]

How do we continue to ice a good team after having to pay Igor and Laf?

Trading Igor this off-season would be the balls move to do.

You certainly can't give him a 12 million per yr contract on a long term.

Easy u get rid of trouba and kreider who both will be on their last year of their deals. Cap
Also goes up.


Then hope the youth starts producing a little more.

I really think Drury GM'd like a giant p***y this year. He absolutely should've done that just as he should have traded for Guentzel.

No. He should have traded for help on the blueline. Someone on who can play top 4

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

How do we continue to ice a good team after having to pay Igor and Laf?

Trading Igor this off-season would be the balls move to do.

You certainly can't give him a 12 million per yr contract on a long term.

Igor and Laf are both under contract for next year. The year after next is when you need to worry about how to fit these guys.

Trouba will be gone by then. Lindgren probably gone. Goodrow probably gone. They will probably look to trade or buyout Kreider as Laf will be ready to take his place (which at 8 vs 6.25 is almost nothing of a bounce).

I would also trade Igor but that won't happen.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Igor and Laf are both under contract for next year. The year after next is when you need to worry about how to fit these guys.

Trouba will be gone by then. Lindgren probably gone. Goodrow probably gone. They will probably look to trade or buyout Kreider as Laf will be ready to take his place (which at 8 vs 6.25 is almost nothing of a bounce).

I would also trade Igor but that won't happen.

Buy out Kreider?

Fair if you think that he's gotta go to make space (I'd move others before him, Panarin will have a year left if he isn't moved this summer) but theres no world in which he will have to be bought out.

There will be a bunch of teams who would love to have him.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Buy out Kreider?

Fair if you think that he's gotta go to make space (I'd move others before him, Panarin will have a year left if he isn't moved this summer) but theres no world in which he will have to be bought out.

There will be a bunch of teams who would love to have him.

I'm just spitballing. My point is ridding ourselves of that contract is easy.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

I think they COULD win with the majority of what they already have. We're not talking about blowing up this team (yet). If Drury can add a legit winger on Zbad's line, a shut-down d-man and perhaps another player on the 3rd or 4th line that can hit the broad side of a barn with a puck, that makes a big difference. Plus we have Igor for another year on THIS contract and he's in his absolute prime. So to me this all has to do with making a few key moves and being okay with parting ways with a few guys. They aren't THAT far off but they have to be willing to make the necessary changes. We'll see if Drury is.

I think Kakko has to go. It's better for both parties if he does get traded.
I think if they can trade Trouba they should - I just don't see it happening.
Roslovic - gone
Wennberg - gone
E. Gus - don't want him

I think you can use Panarin to GET to the playoffs next year. Plus, he's not going anywhere, right? All the players that we're all complaining about? They're not going anywhere. Let's be serious. Again, unless you make a big trade at the deadline next year. And this has to take into consideration the NMClauses and all that.

Then there's the guys in the system. Does Edstrom make the team? Othmann? Berard? Does this help the bottom 6? Lots of mysteries between now and October.

I think Kakko, Wheeler, Gus, Roslovic, Wennberg, and one of Trouba/Lindgren are gone, maybe Goodrow too. That's 1/3 of the team. Revamp the defense, get a legit top 6 RW, add 1 or 2 home grown young guys to the bottom 6 and this team is as good as any in the east. They have the assets and cap space to get all of this done.

 

[Kords]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1798051451043979554

Actually seems like he wasn't.

This is what I was referring to in regards to insulting our intelligence. They said he broke his foot in March, nobody is healing from that that fast.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I'm just spitballing. My point is ridding ourselves of that contract is easy.

Yeah Agreed.

I'll also say that if the Rangers don't get igor to come down to a reasonable number they'll go into next year with out him signed and load up to the tits to try to squeeze out a cup before letting him walk because there is no world where paying 12 million for a goalie is a smart idea.


I like the idea of Igor on a contract year because he has every bit of motivation to crush it harder than he already has. I hope that he gets the proper team in front of him to take advantage of it. If he gets them their cup, he can go anywhere he wants for as much as he wants and I'll wish him well.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

The injury list wasn't really a big surprise to me if that's more or less everything serious. Actually even less of an excuse than I thought it could be.

Fox was obvious and even seemed less than what I expected. Trouba, per Larry, was more or less completely healed by the playoffs so certainly no excuse for him. Lindgren sucked ass before the ECF so the rib had no impact that I could tell. Vesey sat out.

The truth is, cracked rib, broken ankle, or no injury, those guys shouldn't have been playing. They were awful when they were healthy and perhaps the most telling thing is that there really wasn't a big drop-off when they weren't.

If the Rangers don't move on from at least one of them, with the other permanently stapled to the 3rd pair in sheltered minutes (or better as the 7th D), next season will be another one we can consider completely lost.

With Laf and Fox entering their primes and Igor in the midst of his, there is absolutely no choice but to retool as best you can and continue going for it. Removing Trouba & Lindgren will be a massive upgrade for this team and then you supplement the forward core at the deadline.

I'm not a Trouba fan but he was absolutely affected by the ankle injury and it's reported he said it was painful and hard to skate sometimes. I don't see this as an excuse. I see this as a fact. He was bad before the injury(especially with top 4 minutes paired with Miller), he was a skating corpse after he came back. I don't know why he came back after only 3-4 weeks when the team was playing well and in a good spot standings wise. Pretty dumb if you ask me.

 

[yrrebbor]

Kreider thinks the games in the ECF were basically a toss up. "Razor thin margins". "We just need to be 5-10% better". "Work on all areas of the game".

Again - this is delusional thinking. The scores were close but the play was lopsided. You could know zero about hockey and see they were outplayed and have some glaring weaknesses to address. A leader needs to know that, seems like this core hasn't come to that conclusion yet.

He's not going to admit that publicly because he'd have to say his teammates played like dogshit.

 

[AirGut]

we're so f***ed

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Kreider thinks the games in the ECF were basically a toss up. "Razor thin margins". "We just need to be 5-10% better". "Work on all areas of the game".

Again - this is delusional thinking. The scores were close but the play was lopsided. You could know zero about hockey and see they were outplayed and have some glaring weaknesses to address. A leader needs to know that, seems like this core hasn't come to that conclusion yet.

He is saying they could have done the little things better. In a series where every game WAS essentially a 1 goal game scoring or preventing 1 or 2 goals could have made a big difference.