GDT: Rangers 2019 Training Camp Thread: Part II

[Leetch3]

I have zero interest in playing panarin/zibanejad the full 2 minutes on the pp or double shifting them...sure it makes us better but if we win this year cause those guys are playing 25 minutes a night and not cause the young players took the next step forward, thats not a good thing regardless of the win/loss record.

 

[SA16]

As long as you're fine with neither Fox nor ADA seeing the ice a man up.

I have no problem with that. Whichever is the best of Trouba/Fox/Deangelo on the PP can get all the time and the unit can differ slightly depending on who was on the ice when the penalty was drawn.

I have zero interest in playing panarin/zibanejad the full 2 minutes on the pp or double shifting them...sure it makes us better but if we win this year cause those guys are playing 25 minutes a night and not cause the young players took the next step forward, thats not a good thing regardless of the win/loss record.

I don't know where you get 25 minutes from. Ovechkin played 90% of the Caps PP last year and played 19:02 per game. The Rangers had 4:22 5v4 TOI/game last year. Zibanejad played 2:41. We're talking an extra 100 seconds per game.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

As long as you're fine with neither Fox nor ADA seeing the ice a man up.

I think it can be done. They’ve been doing the umbrella setup so do something like Kreider-Chytil-Kakko-Panarin-Trouba and then you slot Mika on his left side and have one of Fox or DeAngelo as the high man and the other one on the right boards in the umbrella setup.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

1st pp
Kreider Zibanajad Buchnevich
Panarin Trouba
2nd
Kravtsov Chytil Kakko
Fox ADA
My 2 cents

 

[duhmetreE]

Kakko has looked better in 1 game on the PP than Buch has ever looked in his career.

To be fair, we havent seen Buch with these horses but either way would work. We could jack up his points by him being on PP1 and in doing so up his trade value

Lets be real, the odds are stacked against him being here long-term. His play-style and what he offers is nothing different/better than Panarin, Kakko, Kravtsov. I'd rather keep Kreider over Buch. There's only so many spots for scoring/skill wingers, Kreider brings an element that is not seen from the rest.

 

[Kakko]

You can keep the 4 forwards on the whole 2 minutes, but still change up the defenseman, including during a single PP. ADA offers something different from Trouba. Keep the opponents on their toes.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I think we see PP units of

Kreider
Panarin-Zib-Kakko/Buch
Trouba

Chytil
Fox/ADA-Strome/Kravtsov-Kakko/Buch
ADA/Fox

 

[Miamipuck]

I don't think there's any way Buch should be ahead of Kakko on the PP, none. I know it's based off the one game, but KK adds a dynamic level that Buch just can't. I would have the 4 forwards and then mix and match the 1 defenseman. With Kreider, Kakko, Mika and Panarin out there, for f-sake, DQ could play Staal on the point and they're still going to get their fair share of PP goals. I am not advocating that , just saying.

 

[LeetchisGod]

Kakko has looked better in 1 game on the PP than Buch has ever looked in his career.

To be fair, we havent seen Buch with these horses but either way would work. We could jack up his points by him being on PP1 and in doing so up his trade value

Lets be real, the odds are stacked against him being here long-term. His play-style and what he offers is nothing different/better than Panarin, Kakko, Kravtsov. I'd rather keep Kreider over Buch. There's only so many spots for scoring/skill wingers, Kreider brings an element that is not seen from the rest.

Bingo. Any scenario in which Kakko isn't on the top powerplay unit is ridiculous on its face.

 

[Fugazy]

I don't think there's any way Buch should be ahead of Kakko on the PP, none. I know it's based off the one game, but KK adds a dynamic level that Buch just can't. I would have the 4 forwards and then mix and match the 1 defenseman. With Kreider, Kakko, Mika and Panarin out there, for f-sake, DQ could play Staal on the point and they're still going to get their fair share of PP goals. I am not advocating that , just saying.

It's clear to see the threat level Kakko has on the PP compared to Buch. I think it would be foolish to bypass that just because he's a rookie.

 

[ohbaby]

What happened to Andersson?

I don't think he makes it opening day.
I really think all 4 of those lines I listed will work well together. That 4th line brings some serious energy, and then 3 well balanced scoring lines. Well at least two.

 

[ohbaby]

anyone else rooting for all 3 of chytil, andersson and howden to succeed and not an either/or situation between them? or that just me

It's tough to carry all three IMO. Chytil has to really prove he belongs top 6, this is more important than anything. Howden seems destined as the 4th line center again. And Lias could fill in when necessary. Lias is still the low man on this depth chart.

 

[Crease]

Lundqvist is the third best goalie on NYR, why is he starting?

 

[ohbaby]

Based on what we've seen so far in the preseason, I don't get the sense that any of our young centers are ready yet for 2C.

We should certainly get a better look the next 3 games. Hard to get a read on the last 2 games because the whole team played so poorly. Chytil has a lot more riding on him than the others. He is the only one that has a legit chance at 2c. Howden seems destined to man the 4c spot again. And I don't know where Lias fits in. Lias doesn't seem to be a winger. If Chytil can't win 2c, he can easily move to the wing. But then who plays 2c?

 

[Levitate]

Winning the 2C spot at this stage doesn't necessarily mean "is ready to put up 50+ points and play stellar defense like a cup contender 2C". It's mostly "looks like he has the potential and can handle the minutes and we'll see how he progresses"

 

[JimmyG89]

Lias fits in right on the 3rd line, centering some decent wingers, and playing ES and PK minutes.

That's where he fits in. Those are his strengths. They will use those strengths. Howden can play in the AHL or the 4th line.

 

[ohbaby]

Winning the 2C spot at this stage doesn't necessarily mean "is ready to put up 50+ points and play stellar defense like a cup contender 2C". It's mostly "looks like he has the potential and can handle the minutes and we'll see how he progresses"

Well if that's the case, Chytil looks like a lock to have that spot out of camp.
I agree he doesn't have to rack up the points, but we all know he has some skills in that area. What he needs to show is that defensive responsibility. That's the key to him keeping that spot.

 

[ohbaby]

Lias fits in right on the 3rd line, centering some decent wingers, and playing ES and PK minutes.

But he looks like a tree stump on the PK. He's shown no affinity at all to PK. And Quinn is giving him every chance.

 

[Rongomania]

But he looks like a tree stump on the PK. He's shown no affinity at all to PK. And Quinn is giving him every chance.

You don't develop 20 year olds by saying: "He can't PK." He's 20. Give it time. You're just showing your anti-Lias bias. He has looked better than Chytil all around and I'd honestly like to see Lias get a shot with the bigger boys too.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Weird thing to say given that everyone playing today except maybe Morrow has a shot at seeing NHL time this season, if not being on the opening night roster

I was talking about the last game when Philly had 80% of their opening day roster on the ice and we were playing half a roster who had no chance of being on team. With only 3 games left to play in preseason and so many new players on team if doesn't leave a lot of time for the team to play together before it counts.

 

[JimmyG89]

But he looks like a tree stump on the PK. He's shown no affinity at all to PK. And Quinn is giving him every chance.

Yes, our PK stalwarts like Boo Nieves, Brett Howden, Ryan Strome, and Vlad Namestnikov will lead us to having an amazing PK unit.

Andersson has anticipation skills those guys do not possess on the defensive side of the puck. Howden could develop those abilities too. He should be PKing in the preseason.

There is really only one player that you can say is a good PK forward on the roster. Jesper Fast figured that out and he's the best we got. I remember the complaints coming in when he first started and now that's his thing.

Andersson also wins faceoffs, as opposed to the other guys that take faceoffs not named Zibanejad. Zib killed penalties a lot last season and while he's good at it, would prefer he gets more ES and PP time since he's an offensive weapon.

 

[Kovalev27]

Well as the world turns.....

Brooks with a scathing article about Chytil looking pedestrian thus far. And Howden looking like a Greek God. So who knows

 

[PuckLuck3043]

The only way to find out if they are scrubs is to play them. He has made cuts. The last 3 games should represent more closely of what the roster will be. Its Preseason. There is a lot of youth in this organization with a lot of spots to compete for. I guess he shouldve been more concerned about being competitive in preseason than getting an in-person look from the bench of what he will have to choose from in Hartford should someone need to be called up.

Who shouldn’t have played? I am interested to know what could only be 2-3 guys that really should not have played. Because a case could be made for everyone else.

DiGeseppe, Gettinger, Robertson, Brickley. Thats 4 and I think there were 1 or 2 more. With only 3 games left and so many new players potentially on team we need to start playing guys who actually have a shot of being on team opening night. Plus they are going to need time to play as a unit and that's going to take time.

 

[EpicDing]

I was talking about the last game when Philly had 80% of their opening day roster on the ice and we were playing half a roster who had no chance of being on team. With only 3 games left to play in preseason and so many new players on team if doesn't leave a lot of time for the team to play together before it counts.

Philly had 80% of their roster because they're starting the season in Europe and don't have as much time as other teams to look at everyone. What this team did was perfectly normal, gotta give everyone a look because you never know who might impress.

 

[offdacrossbar]

As many here have noted, looks like fil isnt showing enough in the middle so far.

Lineup tonight sending a message ? Last yr be was in the dog house and now so far, mot many highlights to show hes ready for that 2C role.

Big responsibility centering talented wingers like kakko and kreider. Sounds good but so far, nope.

Filip chytl is talented but to me he seems more suited for the edge. His best stretches last yr were on the rush off the wall.

If hes not the guy does he play on line 3 on the wall ? Kravtsov chytl and howden ? Lemme on line 4 ?

Seems pretty certain Q wants bread with mika and buchy. Leaves K & K with ??? Sadly i mentioned strome back a bit as the likely candidate with andersson just not swift enough and howden not yet ready.

Not ideal but sadly more a measure of our lack of an nhl ready 2C.

Lots of qustions. Q just has too many 3/4 centers who may be better as 2/3 wingers.