Crease
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You have to imagine there is someone on the roster not named Zibanejad who will find chemistry between Kreider and Kakko.
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bold - won't work. Teams will focus on worthwhile pickup(s) and ignore the rest. If there was a team decimated by injury and a guy was on a short term, 1 yr MAYBE 2, I could see a bite on an overpriced Namest, maybe even Smith MAYBE if we are REALLY lucky.
Anyone worth taking gets an automatic look.
Anyone like that making only 700k or so like Nieves will be gobbled up faster than a bulldog on a porkchop
Howden is legit talented and he has wheels Stepan could only dream of.
He does have to improve w/experience and there is no guarantee he will pick up Stepan level of hockey smarts.
But while most of this club including him need to demonstrate improved scoring ability, he otherwise shows legit potential/ability.
Lias still can't play good D to save his life. TODAY.
As his skating improves and he has more on ice poise, those results will improve.
But let's not make more or less of this kid than what he is.
He was projected closer to 12OA, taken 7OA b'c he was supposedly more of sure thing and we didn't have the pivot depth/prospects we now do.
Ultimately best to move him out west for a decent return.
He WILL have an NHL career.
Too much toughness to be denied that.
But if he is a career 4th liner, 7OA, that is a bust.
Throw him in a bigger deal.
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I think Kakko is the kind of player that gels with anyone he plays with.
There are basically ten guys just like Nieves that get waived every day, and they almost all go unclaimed. Every team has guys like them so there's no need to make a claim unless you have a rash of injuries. Look I love Nieves, I was his biggest cheerleader until you came up with this bizarre synergy thing, but the reality is he's a dime a dozen player and not exactly in demand. This shit with you and Nieves is worse than that shit with you and Tysen Dowzak, at this point.
DiGiuseppe has NHL experience. Brickley got some games with us last year. They absolutely should have gotten games. Gettinger has been in our system. He will be in Hartford. I am sure DQ wanted to see him in game action after an offseason of training before cutting him. The 4th line is not set in stone. In fact the lineup isnt in general. Kravtsov could start in Hartford. What if one of those 3 outplayed Nieves and McKegg. They should have the 13th forward spot then.
Robertson. He was just drafted in the 2nd round. He is highly regarded. Some say he was a steal for where he was drafted. Him playing is more about his future than the opening night roster. To let him have that experience before going back to Juniors is worth sparing a preseason game.
They will have time to gel. Not having a full preseason with a total of 6 games is going to hinder them in any way.
obviously we aren't seeing practice but in the extremely limited time each has gotten centering top 6 wingers, I don't think any of the 3 kids have grabbed the position by the horns but none of them have played themselves out of the job either. and so far none of them look like they would be hurt by being given too much pressure...you could make the argument to put them in any order...it likely comes down to gut feeling and whoever gets the 2C & 3c spots will have to prove in a bigger sample size during the season that they belong there. but good chance that the order between those 3 won't stay the same all year as they try to find the best options/fits
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I tell you what, he has certainly looked better to me than Howden. If Howden gets a better assignment than Lias, it would be a travesty.
And FWIW I'm not anti-Howden by any means, I talked him up big time after the trade. He just does not look ready.
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That's ridiculous. Bias? Why would I be against a 20 year old who was a first round pick? Be serious. He needs more time to grow up. He is not ready. That is it in a nutshell. Period.
He is lost on the PK. Just look at the tapes, don't take my word. Zibanejad is our best PKer right now by far. You look at those two together killing and you have to ask yourself why is Lias out there. It got nothing to do with bias.
Chytil and Howden both had better years, last year than Lias. You think all of a sudden now he is better than both of them? You are not being practical. They all improved over last year. So Lias is still low man on the totem pole.
Right now, I see Lias as a energy, checking line player at best. Where as the other two have much more potential.
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I'm not sure how you can watch the preseason games and say Howden is better than Andersson. Andersson deserves a spot on this team.
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Howden had one game prior to tonight. And was involved in the 2x we scored in NJ (4-2) with a goal and an assist. Tonight he also played well. So I'm not sure what you are looking at. If they all make it out of camp, great. I will have no problem with that. I just don't think there's room for Lias.
Oh so you're stat watching, got it.
He was not good tonight and against the Devils he was OK. Lias has been better.
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Labeling me bias and a stat watcher doesn't change the reality, which maybe you are losing grip of?
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Bud, if you've watched this preseason, and are still saying this stuff, I don't think you're one to judge.
Irishguy42
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Howden was literally one of the worst forwards in the NHL last season.
He's not better than Lias.
Stop.
He's not better than Lias.
Stop.
There's under a Mil in cap space so no one is coming to the rescue.
You're going to have to play these kids eventually and just deal with whatever bumps and bruises come along with it.
Zib
Chytil
Andersson
Howden
Just do it already...
You're going to have to play these kids eventually and just deal with whatever bumps and bruises come along with it.
Zib
Chytil
Andersson
Howden
Just do it already...
offdacrossbar
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Sadly neither lias nor howden have looked great
To add some more fuel to that fire, chytl has been so-so as well.
To even be discussing ryan strome as a possibility to be the 2C highlights the level of average those 3 players have shown so far.
No one has been more than just ok and thats a problem
To add some more fuel to that fire, chytl has been so-so as well.
To even be discussing ryan strome as a possibility to be the 2C highlights the level of average those 3 players have shown so far.
No one has been more than just ok and thats a problem
We haven't seen Chytil with his supposed linemates (Kreider and Kakko), I don't think that really helps things. I know Quinn is trying players in different spots and with different combinations but when you're talking a rookie (no matter how skilled) and an extremely young guy trying to earn the center spot, you probably need to give them actual playing time together
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Yeesh, Lias was even worse last year.
Although, I do agree Lias has been better this preseason.
Honestly I have no desire to see either in a top 6 position in the immediate future... hope that changes.
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I haven’t gotten to see Chytil this preseason.
I’d like to see him play a full game with CK and KK. I haven’t heard glowing reports lately, but I think he’s the most talented and largest of the bunch so why not give it a long look. Those guys may be able to give him the extra room to make some nice plays.
Lias has been the best of the 3. He has been the most involved. The most noticeable. And he has played with the least amount of talent. The thing is Lias’ game is more suited to play with the likes of Lemieux, Fast, Namestnikov, Strome. He plays a physical game. Goes to the corners, goes to the net. He doesn’t have the skillset that Chytil does to play between Kreider and Kakko.
Howden should start in the A. 1st line Center minutes. I think he was rushed last season by default of our situation. He certainly did not do much last night and he had the better linemates. A few times in the offensive zone the puck died on his stick. He was fine as usually working hard on the backcheck and in his own end, but Lias was better at both ends of the ice. I would like to see Lias get a look between talent like that. I like Howden a lot but there is no harm in him getting minutes in the A. Or he at the most right now is the 4th line center.
Chytil is the guy who needs to step up his play. He looks a bit bigger, stronger on the puck. Looks even more willing to drive the net, hold onto pucks longer. But we need more if he is gona be the 2nd line center
Howden should start in the A. 1st line Center minutes. I think he was rushed last season by default of our situation. He certainly did not do much last night and he had the better linemates. A few times in the offensive zone the puck died on his stick. He was fine as usually working hard on the backcheck and in his own end, but Lias was better at both ends of the ice. I would like to see Lias get a look between talent like that. I like Howden a lot but there is no harm in him getting minutes in the A. Or he at the most right now is the 4th line center.
Chytil is the guy who needs to step up his play. He looks a bit bigger, stronger on the puck. Looks even more willing to drive the net, hold onto pucks longer. But we need more if he is gona be the 2nd line center
Reunanen must get another game. Not sure what DQs reasoning is with giving him 1 game while guys like Morrow and co have multiple games already.
Would be super helpful to actually see Kreider and Kakko play an actual game together with A center any center at this point. We haven’t.
I still think Chytil is the guy. He can get the puck to kakko skate it out of trouble and find him like many can’t. But it’s ridiculous that Quinn hasn’t put the 2nd line together at all a week before opening night.
I still think Chytil is the guy. He can get the puck to kakko skate it out of trouble and find him like many can’t. But it’s ridiculous that Quinn hasn’t put the 2nd line together at all a week before opening night.
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I quite frequently disagree with you on certain matters, but you are absolutely correct here.
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