GDT: Rangers 2019 Training Camp Thread: Part II

[Kovalev27]

i bet Haley gets an NHL contract before camp starts. if he does not, I will be surprised. he has played many games in a row in preseason to not be given a contract.

In fairness they do that a lot with pto’s as a courtesy and part of the pto invites. Gives other teams More of a shot of seeing these guys in game action even if your team really doesn’t see a spot for them.

I’d be shocked if morrow got an offer from us . Haley though on a 2 way deal I don’t see why not.

 

[Kovalev27]

Agreed, O'Reilly is not an apt comparison at this point.

He’ll never be lol

 

[Irishguy42]

Lias has only played in 49 games total by 20 (131 if he skates in all games this season). ROR had 236 GP by the end of the season you brought up. Slightly unfair comparison in that regard. So here's another, 107 points in his first 236 GP (ROR). After two more years when Lias accrues that many GP, I believe I'll take the bet that he has more points than 107 in that same time frame.

Talking 'bad pick territory' about a 20 yr old no. 7 is rather ridiculous to me.

T I M E.

I sure hope Lias can get 100 points in the next 187 games. Doubt it happens though.

By then, he'll be ~4.5 years into his NHL career, and it still won't change the fact that you're trying to compare what ROR did in 3 years to what Lias will MAYBE do in ~4.5, assuming he plays full 82-game seasons. So we're back to square one of ROR and Lias not being good comparisons.

 

[eco's bones]

This is an unexpected take, certainly different from what I saw.

Chytil is more skilled than Andersson or Howden. It's hoped he can become our 2C and that's what I'm looking at. I'm not looking at Andersson or Howden. I'm looking at them as bottom 6 players. But Chytil needs to be productive if he's going to take that role on. To me Andersson and Howden are better defensively. They may be more ready for bottom 6 roles than Chytil is for a top 6 role......or maybe a trip to Hartford would bring Chytil's offense out and give him more confidence.

 

[Vitto79]

In fairness they do that a lot with pto’s as a courtesy and part of the pto invites. Gives other teams More of a shot of seeing these guys in game action even if your team really doesn’t see a spot for them.

I’d be shocked if morrow got an offer from us . Haley though on a 2 way deal I don’t see why not.

If Ruenanen goes to Finland then Morrow in the AHL could happen

Rykov , Lindgren, Crawley , Keane , Day , Raddish and Morrow

Plus Day has been in the echl too. Assume they have some vets signed on D w ahl deals

 

[JimmyG89]

Can see a scenario where they start Kravtsov and one of those centers in Hartford to play together. Nieves could get claimed and all the young Cs are not eligible for waivers yet. Could run Nieves and McKegg on the 4th line for now, while getting Kravtsov and a young C near 20 minutes in the AHL. Assess after 15 games and go from there where there could be a center swap and/or Kravtsov comes up and someone gets waived OR one of the other young centers gets sent down.

Allows some roster flexibility and keeps the added depth in case of injuries. If Kravtsov/young C is killing it in Hartford, it's an easy call up at that point. Kind of like the Hagelin situation when he first debuted.

Panarin-Zibanejad-Buch
Kreider-Andersson/Chytil/Howden-Kakko
Lemiuex-Andersson/Chytil/Howden-Strome
Namestnikov-Nieves-Fast
McKegg

 

[Vitto79]

Hopefully Andersson on the 4th line isn’t a sign I like his play so far

Should have Howden and Chytil make it too cause that’s gonna to be a battle all year for playing time

 

[Matt Rentfree]

Hopefully Andersson on the 4th line isn’t a sign I like his play so far

Should have Howden and Chytil make it too cause that’s gonna to be a battle all year for playing time

I think they're just switching Lias and Howden off with better linemates for evaluation purposes - I wouldn't read too much into yet.

 

[Kovalev27]

If Ruenanen goes to Finland then Morrow in the AHL could happen

Rykov , Lindgren, Crawley , Keane , Day , Raddish and Morrow

Plus Day has been in the echl too. Assume they have some vets signed on D w ahl deals

LoVerde is a proven AHL dman I’m fairly certain they want him in there for that purpose. I expect him in there to help the kids in that role. Morrow isn’t going to be a 7th dman in the AHL. The other guys you mention you want them playing every game mostly right?

 

[Kovalev27]

With those cuts today expect 4 or 5 guys from group A to also play on Thursday and join the remaining group B guys.

I’m thinking kakko will join CK and Chytil and they’ll move fogarty down the lineup. Sure he’s just place holding for today. That’ll be the top line for Thursday’s home game.

Maybe Andersson gets better linemates and more opportunity in that game.

 

[Fitzy]

Not convinced that Kravtsov has already made the team any more than I am that Howden, Andersson, or Hajek have.

I don't think if management thought players would do better to start in the AHL that they would feel too much pressure to move otherwise.

It'd be worse if they erroneously kept Kravtsov and then had to send him down 15 games in after spending the last 5 on the 4th line.

 

[Vitto79]

LoVerde is a proven AHL dman I’m fairly certain they want him in there for that purpose. I expect him in there to help the kids in that role. Morrow isn’t going to be a 7th dman in the AHL. The other guys you mention you want them playing every game mostly right?

Yea I’d agree w that. W that said if by some miracle they can trade Smith at 50 off Morrow is an ok cheap vet spare

I see the 7th d as an emergency play and a call up happens if an IR stint happens

Lindgren or Rykov should be playing if anyone gets hurt long term not Smith or Morris

assuming Hajek wins the open LD spot

 

[romba]

I sure hope Lias can get 100 points in the next 187 games. Doubt it happens though.

By then, he'll be ~4.5 years into his NHL career, and it still won't change the fact that you're trying to compare what ROR did in 3 years to what Lias will MAYBE do in 5, assuming he plays full 82-game seasons. So we're back to square one of ROR and Lias not being good comparisons.

If you actually look at the points accrued relative to the square inverse of games played professionally subtracted from the years past their draft class, Lias is slightly behind Sid and slightly ahead of Ovi

 

[Matt Rentfree]

Not convinced that Kravtsov has already made the team any more than I am that Howden, Andersson, or Hajek have.

I don't think if management thought players would do better to start in the AHL that they would feel too much pressure to move otherwise.

It'd be worse if they erroneously kept Kravtsov and then had to send him down 15 games in after spending the last 5 on the 4th line.

Kravtsov starting in Hartford wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. Gives him some time to get adjusted and hopefully gives the Rangers some time to find a trade partner for Nams or Strome. Once he's dominant in the AHL call him up.

 

[iggyDDS]

Anyone else prefer Kravtsov plays 3rd line minutes with linemates like Howden/Andersson and Namestnikov/Strome over 1st line minutes with the likes of Fogarty and Meskanen.

Just a thought.

 

[Vitto79]

Anyone else prefer Kravtsov plays 3rd line minutes with linemates like Howden/Andersson and Namestnikov/Strome over 1st line minutes with the likes of Fogarty and Meskanen.

Just a thought.

I think it comes down to he’s young and could use AHL time ... I’m sure we will see him this year I just rather use McKegg as the spare

NO way Fast is sitting he’s gonna play w Lemieux and likely Howden or Lias.... Strome is there next game so I could be wrong

W that said if he rocks it Tuesday things can change quick

 

[BKGooner]

For me it's less about who he plays with and more about who he plays against. I don't even think we are talking about a full season on the farm, maybe just a few months develop a little more and get used to playing in North America. There is more time and space in the KHL for all his insane moves to come off. Practice at 3/4 of the tempo and then come in and dominate.

 

[Leetch3]

He’ll never be lol

always the hater

 

[Leetch3]

Anyone else prefer Kravtsov plays 3rd line minutes with linemates like Howden/Andersson and Namestnikov/Strome over 1st line minutes with the likes of Fogarty and Meskanen.

Just a thought.

but the other question is who sits in that scenario...too many forwards

 

[Kovalev27]

Anyone else prefer Kravtsov plays 3rd line minutes with linemates like Howden/Andersson and Namestnikov/Strome over 1st line minutes with the likes of Fogarty and Meskanen.

Just a thought.

Absolutely but it means Andersson probably goes to the AHL. It won’t be 72 or 21. People should forget that idea.

So that’s the conundrum. I don’t think it hurts him to season a bit in the AHL though.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Chytil looks like the same promising player that's just not ready. To start...

Panarin-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Kreider-Andersson-Kakko
Lemieux-Strome-Fast
Namestnikov-McEggmcmuffin-Jones

Nieves

Skjei-Trouba
Staal-DeAngelo
Lindgren-Fox

Smith

Lundqvist
Tentatively AG, Huska pushing now.

Sucks... as of now, so does the whole roster.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Chytil looks like the same promising player that's just not ready. To start...

Panarin-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Kreider-Andersson-Kakko
Lemieux-strome-Fast
Namestnikov-McEggmcmuffin-Jones

Nieves

jei-Trouba
Staal-DeAngelo
Lindgren-Fox

Smith

Lundqvist
Tentatively AG, Huska pushing now.

Sucks... as of now, so does the whole roster.

Wow, this is impressively off. You actually think they're gonna send Chytil AND Howden down? lol. Chytil has been stapled to the 2C in preseason, what leads you to believe he isn’t on the team to start? Lindgren over Hajek? Nick Jones on the roster? Yikes.

 

[Kovalev27]

@BobMarleyNYR you def get points for creativity brother! Lol

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

@BobMarleyNYR you def get points for creativity brother! Lol

thanks.

 

[Rongomania]

I sure hope Lias can get 100 points in the next 187 games. Doubt it happens though.

By then, he'll be ~4.5 years into his NHL career, and it still won't change the fact that you're trying to compare what ROR did in 3 years to what Lias will MAYBE do in ~4.5, assuming he plays full 82-game seasons. So we're back to square one of ROR and Lias not being good comparisons.

I agree to a certain extent that they shouldn't be compared because of usage, the league being different; a multitude of factors. When I watch Lias on his game though, he really does show flashes of that type of ROR/Drury play - stylistically/monster, natural born leader, all over, pushing teammates, etc.

Again, time will tell what Lias is going to be. You cannot say for certain now what he will do in the next 150 games.