Raccoon Jesus
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And a physical capacity/ceiling that basically no one in the league has.
Prospect Info: Quinton Byfield (2nd Overall 2020 Draft) Discussion part II
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And a physical capacity/ceiling that basically no one in the league has.
kingsfan
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LA signing him the first time made total sense. We weren't even half the team we are now and you hope you can catch lightning in a bottle and he recaptures his 30 goal form. Why tf we resigned him for this year is the baffling part. We didn't need him, he's grossly overpaid and doesn't seem to fit what we're doing here at all.
Dykstra
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The third line has been a lot better in these last two games (with Grundstrom), with AA and Brown there was no puck retention in the offensive zone.
Raccoon Jesus
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In retrospect it makes sense to have too many dudes due to covid and injuries but he should have stayed on the bench when he sucked, they've been trying to 'make AA happen' all year instead of just treating him like glorified taxi squad. I guess there's money involved too so I can't be too judgmental about that but the last stretch of games murdering the 3rd line didn't need to happen.
Maybe it's me, but I don't think Byfield is/was ready for the force...of the NHL, the force of the passes, the speed of the passes etc, I know he's young, and you gotta think he will grow/figure it out, but man, pucks are bouncing off his stick like no one's business.....and not just when he's pressured, but when he's in the clear.....
DoktorJeep
Luc and Rob are a waste of time and money.
Kempe and Kopitar are playing like a top 10 first line. I think they could suffer the addition of Brown if Iafallo raises the production of Byfield and Grundstrom.
Tell Anze that Dustin is his late season upgrade for a job well done finally turning Adrian into a pro. And Al needs to find his game in the bowels of the lineup.
Tell Anze that Dustin is his late season upgrade for a job well done finally turning Adrian into a pro. And Al needs to find his game in the bowels of the lineup.
SufferingSelfCreated
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I was at the game last night. From my perch in sec 214, he looked like a beast. There were stretches were he clearly stood out, I can't imagine what he's going to look like when he figures it out.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
It's that f***ing Sherwood composite, get this man a Jetspeed!
LOL you might not be wrong this time...just saying,
Definitely looks like it could be a stick issue as well.....noticed it in ANA noticed it last night....and it's not all the time, but there's sometimes where he's in the clear and the puck bounces 10 feet away from him
Byfield definitely uses a wonky stick at a weird stick size for his height. Maybe he proves everyone wrong, but it is something that nearly everyone that sees him points out first. He looked good on his shootout goal though, so he still has time to make a statement with it, but if I could change one thing about him, it would be the stick he uses.
MBH
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I would have drafted QB 1st overall. But my thinking was he'd need at least one more year in the OHL - probably two. And then maybe even another year in the AHL.
QB has all the raw talent in the world. But he was beating OHLers on nothing but on physical ability. He needed time to hone his IQ, to develop his skill. We saw this at the WJCs in his draft year. Against other guys with size/strength or elite skill, he couldn't elevate his game the same way.
I thought he was so-so last year in the two AHL games I watched. But I understood it, given that the OHL season was a waste due to COVID.
What I don't understand is why the Kings are forcing him in the NHL this season. They could have kept him in the AHL all year, learning to play against men with size and speed and skill, developing confidence in his ability to use skill against pros.
They're treating him like the 2nd overall pick - and not like the raw prospect he is.
And they're ruining him, if they keep this up.
QB has all the raw talent in the world. But he was beating OHLers on nothing but on physical ability. He needed time to hone his IQ, to develop his skill. We saw this at the WJCs in his draft year. Against other guys with size/strength or elite skill, he couldn't elevate his game the same way.
I thought he was so-so last year in the two AHL games I watched. But I understood it, given that the OHL season was a waste due to COVID.
What I don't understand is why the Kings are forcing him in the NHL this season. They could have kept him in the AHL all year, learning to play against men with size and speed and skill, developing confidence in his ability to use skill against pros.
They're treating him like the 2nd overall pick - and not like the raw prospect he is.
And they're ruining him, if they keep this up.
They arent ruining him. His play away from the puck is already getting better especially in the defensive zone. He was playing hard on his coverages yesterday and missed none. His plus minus is even now. (a lot of rookies are big time minuses) I havent looked up their record with him in the lineup but it is definitely a winning record.
His offense is going to take time. It will probably come at a time when he can be physically imposing playing vs men. I think he breaks out around 21-23 years old. Until then let him continue to play with pace and learn responsibility.
Sol
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i think it’s pretty counter intuitive to say you’d draft him 1st overall and say he’d need 2-3 years to play in the NHL. Stutzle would be first overall and everything else is a toss up. Stutzle showed more talent than Byfield in all the stuff I’ve seen. I always felt like Stutzle was easily the safer pick, and I feel like that reason has come to fruition. Do I think Byfield can turn it around? Absolutely. Can he live up to second overall? Absolutely. Has he been very underwhelming? Absolutely. Is it the fault of the coach ? Absolutely. Is it his fault too? Absolutely. Only time will tell but I guess my feeling is there’s nothing to really bank on with him other than the fact he looked good in the preseason and that’s that.
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It would be better to have him in the AHL all year, than to have him play 10 minutes centering Brown and AA/ Grundstrom...and almost zero PP time.
I don't mind the idea of him playing LW 1 or LW2 the rest of this year. (since Brown will still play unfortunaley and be a detriment as line 3 linemate) It would be much better to play with Kopi or Danault, than centering Brown and getting 10-12 minutes. It would not necessarily stunt his growth as a center. He would have less faceoff duties and better talent to play with. He could slot in 3C next year.
It would be even better than the AHL, giving him 2 good wingers and 1st PP duty. Brown and / or Iafallo on the PP have been not so great. QB would be great in front of the net and
he would be forced to be a little more physical...as well as being a good screen and getting pucks in the net.
I don't mind the idea of him playing LW 1 or LW2 the rest of this year. (since Brown will still play unfortunaley and be a detriment as line 3 linemate) It would be much better to play with Kopi or Danault, than centering Brown and getting 10-12 minutes. It would not necessarily stunt his growth as a center. He would have less faceoff duties and better talent to play with. He could slot in 3C next year.
It would be even better than the AHL, giving him 2 good wingers and 1st PP duty. Brown and / or Iafallo on the PP have been not so great. QB would be great in front of the net and
he would be forced to be a little more physical...as well as being a good screen and getting pucks in the net.
DoktorJeep
Luc and Rob are a waste of time and money.
AHL production isn’t guaranteed to translate to NHL production. Let QB take his lumps on the big squad in a sheltered role.
I think putting QB in the AHL will obviously give him confidence but I also think it will reinforce his bad habits. With his skill level he needs to learn what works in the NHL, not against scores of first year pros and guys who aren’t good enough to stick on NHL rosters. I also think he will learn a heck of a lot more from Anze and Danault than he would in Ontario.
Herby
How could Blake have known?
He didn't gain much from the AHL last year, they can't send him back down there this season and then have him be lost again next season, like he kind of has been this season at the NHL level. Better to grow through it at the NHL level, even if it is part of a team trying to win.
He's going through the age 18 season he should have had last year in his age 19.
Also, if you are taking a guy at #2 overall and expect him to play 2 more seasons of junior and another season in the AHL you should probably not be taking that guy at #2. Part of picking that high is the expectation of an immediate or atleast semi-immediate ROI. Taking a guy #2 overall and not having him in the NHL until his D+4 is pointless asset management.
He's going through the age 18 season he should have had last year in his age 19.
Also, if you are taking a guy at #2 overall and expect him to play 2 more seasons of junior and another season in the AHL you should probably not be taking that guy at #2. Part of picking that high is the expectation of an immediate or atleast semi-immediate ROI. Taking a guy #2 overall and not having him in the NHL until his D+4 is pointless asset management.
MBH
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It's not counterintuitive at all.
In June of 2021 - Byfield was not the best player in the draft. But I thought he had the highest ceiling. I still do.
But I'm on the record even in his prospect board threads as saying he needs time to develop.
I don't blame the coach.
I blame the GM.
Byfield should not be in the NHL. They've put him in over his head and if they're not careful, the whispers I now see about Byfield are going to turn into outload moaning and groaning.
And before you know it, the Kings are trading him away for some other team's bust.
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I hope he proves all of them and their parakeets wrong
I disagree. I think the team is picking the player they think can be the best NHL player/career. Not the best D+1 or D+2 player. Best career.
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Herby
How could Blake have known?
You’re acting like a guy who’s not going to debut until his D+4 is going to immediately step in and be a star in this hypothetical scenario? Or that players who debut earlier won’t keep getting better?
How many teams have drafted a player high in the 1st round and returned them to junior for 2 years and then a full season in the AHL.
Do you think there is a reason for that is never the path of development?
johnjm22
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Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
How many players are drafted during years when Canadian juniors aren't even running and are forced to play them in weird truncated pro seasons
How many of those players are also considered longer-term
I'm not going to run over the numbers again but if you recall the number of 18 year olds in the NHL most years is 5-10 and about 10% of those make any sort of 'impact'. That trends up a little at 19, a lot at 20, and a TON at 21. It's not that crazy that this guy isn't already ripping the league to shreds, especially given he's a teenager for another half a year, and the number of high picks that step in as seamlessly as you want is limited to the McDavid/matthews/Eichel tier.
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