Proposal: Puljujärvi for Trouba

[CaptainChef]

Me too, it seems to have gone to ridiculous levels of immaturity lately. Hard to reasonably talk hockey with fellow fans.

I can see the vexing nature of the Trouba situation. His agent is a ****. Plain and simple, sorry to be blunt. He has a history of being adversarial to negotiate with.

I'm seeing some (not all) Leaf fans arrogantly proclaiming bottom 5 lotto pick for us and Nylander > Drai, Marner > Pulju with such ignorant exuberance. Some truly believe throwing 5-7+ rookies into the lineup will result in them finishing way ahead of the Oilers (we'll likely only dress 1 rookie, max 2 in sheltered roles). I know we've been terrible the past decade, but our team is objectively different than previous years, no point in trying to convince people. We need to see results.

I would rather just remain relatively modest and not return the vitriol and argue against the smug arrogance. I just want to see my team battle hard every night and let the chips fall where they may. I truly believe we have legitimate reasons to be optimistic. The EDM, BUF, TOR thread will be interesting to revisit down the road. No predictions where EDM will be, but it's not unreasonable to think we can be a solid competitive hockey team.

It is so nice to see a few sensible posters still exist out there. The ridiculousness of posters who know nothing about the players they are slamming and undervaluing is just so tiring.

 

[Soundwave]

Think the Oilers would turn this down honestly.

There's no point in getting D if you're going to gut your entire forward group.

If there was a deal to be made, then Trouba for Hall earlier in the summer maybe would've made some sense, but the Oilers needs Puljujarvi to replace Hall over the long term, he's going to be groomed to be McDavid's linemate most likely.

They are lucky he fell to 4.

 

[Soundwave]

He's better than him now lol. Since Adam Larsson was traded to the oilers he has become the most Overrated player on this board. Yes he faces tough competition on a nightly basis...the problem is is that he is consistently beaten by them.

He is not a top pairing defenseman. He is a number 3 at best...where as Trouba has already played top pairing minutes and shined while playing there.

Larsson was a +15 last year playing those tough minutes, the highest of any d-man on NJ by a fair margin. Doesn't sound like "consistently beaten" to me.

He was IMO a big reason New Jersey was flirting with a playoff spot for a big chunk of the season when roster-wise they really had no business being in the hunt at all.

Larsson is a very good young d-man, I don't think there are many D in the league under the age of 25 better than him. And he's also signed long term to a very good deal (4 mill per) which increases his value.

The Jets at this point kinda need to just sign Trouba, even if it's an overpay. If they are going to try to trade him now, they kinda missed the boat here. Could've gotten maybe Taylor Hall for Trouba earlier in the summer or even gotten into the PK Subban sweepstakes, but it's too late for that now.

 

[AustonsNostrils]

Seems like a good deal for Edmonton, they need a Trouba more than a Puljujarvi. Of course Puljujarvi with McDavid could turn into a 90 point all-star, so there's risk.

 

[robertocarlos]

The Jets D is incredibly overrated. And you don't understand the meaning of objectivity

Jets should trade Trouba because they will never be willing to pay him $9 million a year. So they are going to lose him sooner or later anyways.

 

[Soundwave]

Seems like a good deal for Edmonton, they need a Trouba more than a Puljujarvi. Of course Puljujarvi with McDavid could turn into a 90 point all-star, so there's risk.

The Oilers don't have infinite forward depth.

Losing Hall AND Puljujarvi basically guts their long term wing depth, and Yakupov is likely not a long term fit here either.

The Oilers were going to make one big move for a RHD and they already made that move.

If the Jets wanted to talk about Trouba, the time to do it was in June when Taylor Hall could've been had. But they missed that window, now they just have to get a contract figured out for Trouba even if it's a bit more than they want to pay.

 

[R3DDRAG0N]

Omg this post is getting shredded on twitter lmao

Sweet, glad I was able to get the message out to the masses. Twitter, Another sanctuary for keyboard warriors to thump their chest and impart their infinite knowledge.....you made my day!!!!

 

[Soundwave]

I think Larsson and Trouba are about the same tier of player, both are going to be good players.

That said I think Larsson has proven a little more playing harder minutes, and the Oilers don't really have the luxury of "finding out" if a guy can handle top minutes, they need one to play them right away.

I feel more comfortable slotting him into our top pairing knowing he's already played that role in NJ and did well with it, with Trouba I mean I would hope he'd do well and there's a good chance he would, but he's never really had to shoulder that responsibility before so it'd be a question mark.

Beyond that Larsson locked in long term at 4 mill per is a bargain. Trouba is likely asking for more than that.

The Oilers needed a d-man of this caliber (Larsson, Trouba, etc.) in the worst way though and they got one in Larsson by paying a hefty price.

But that also likely means they're out of the market. If Winnipeg ends up trading Trouba now they've made a mistake IMO, they should have been more proactive and made a move earlier in the summer when players like Taylor Hall and PK Subban were available.

 

[DeepFrickinValue]

I think sekara would need to added along with something headed back from wpg. Jets need defence.

 

[JetsHomer]

Whoa a fan base is overrating the value of their own player?! No way!

Wow people that don't watch Trouba play are clueless about his abilities?! No way!

 

[Rebuilt]

Seems like a good deal for Edmonton, they need a Trouba more than a Puljujarvi. Of course Puljujarvi with McDavid could turn into a 90 point all-star, so there's risk.

If the Oilers had to select PLD then maybe. But Puljujarvi is considered -while less offensively talented than Matthews and Laine- to be the best 2 way forward in the entire draft.

I dont trade him at all.

Trouba is an RFA looking for big money when the Jets already have 2 NMC in Buff and Enstrom and have only 1 spot to protect both Myers and Trouba. We dont owe the Jets any favors.

They can re sign him and only protect 4 forwards.

 

[Legend123]

90 points is a big stretch.

 

[DRC]

If the Oilers had to select PLD then maybe. But Puljujarvi is considered -while less offensively talented than Matthews and Laine- to be the best 2 way forward in the entire draft.

I dont trade him at all.

Trouba is an RFA looking for big money when the Jets already have 2 NMC in Buff and Enstrom and have only 1 spot to protect both Myers and Trouba. We dont owe the Jets any favors.

They can re sign him and only protect 4 forwards.

Or jets could protect 4D and still have Schief, Wheeler, Perreault, Little protected. Laine, Ehlers, and Connor are exempt

 

[Seachd]

Yes he faces tough competition on a nightly basis...the problem is is that he is consistently beaten by them.

He... what?

 

[victor]

Think the Oilers would turn this down honestly.

There's no point in getting D if you're going to gut your entire forward group.

If there was a deal to be made, then Trouba for Hall earlier in the summer maybe would've made some sense, but the Oilers needs Puljujarvi to replace Hall over the long term, he's going to be groomed to be McDavid's linemate most likely.

They are lucky he fell to 4.

That, and Puljujarvi is expansion exempt, and Trouba is not.

Edmonton's going to protect Larsson, Klefbom, Sekera (due to his NMC.)

It doesn't make sense to trade an expansion exempt asset for one that's not.

 

[Whileee]

The Jets D is incredibly overrated. And you don't understand the meaning of objectivity

I understand the meaning of objectivity, thanks.

There are plenty of metrics by which players can be compared that are more objective than the opinions of fans on a forum. By those metrics, Trouba matches up very well with Larsson.

What method would you use to compare them objectively?

 

[Homesick]

and yet 2 of them including trouba is playing in the world cup while no flames dmen are there.

Making team Canada is a lot more difficult than the Under 25 team or even team USA

Jets should trade Trouba because they will never be willing to pay him $9 million a year. So they are going to lose him sooner or later anyways.

Who the hell would pay Trouba anywhere near 9 million a year? Over 2 maybe but not a season. He's 5-5.5 over 6 at best and you'd better hope he improves big time

Neutral fan.

I think Puljujarvi is getting overrated if people expect him to garner more than a young #2/3D. I don't think he is an overrated prospect so much as people are overrating prospects relative to established young D, which are much harder to get.

Certainly by need, the Oilers add big here. They could use Trouba much more than Puljujarvi. The converse is not true for the Jets, or most teams.

So you would be adding something substantial to Marner/Nylander for Trouba?

 

[Flyerfan52]

I'm going to eat my own words. Go against the grain of some of my other Jets fan posters and say yes. I would trade Trouba for Pulj. I would then try to bundle a couple forwards and a pick for a L defenseman. I was always high on Pulj and Laine, to have both on the team gets me giddy with excitement.

Stafford, Burmi,Lowry, Armia,Dano,Petan, could all be trade bait for a team that had a glut of defensemen but missing some young mid forwards.
Two of the players mentioned above and a second round pick for a possible 2nd pairing L defenseman ?

I am in the minority for jumping on this trade, but I think we have enough prospects and rookies to make another trade for a defenseman with a willing partner somewhere out there ?

I'd trade Trouba for Pulijujari but want an add from the Oilers in the form of a LD prospect. Add Nurse & it's OK or alternately Griffin Reinhart & a 2nd rounder.
Either way the Oilers get an NHL ready top 4 RD while the Jets receive 2/3 maybes @ this point.

 

[victor]

I'd trade Trouba for Pulijujari but want an add from the Oilers in the form of a LD prospect. Add Nurse & it's OK or alternately Griffin Reinhart & a 2nd rounder.
Either way the Oilers get an NHL ready top 4 RD while the Jets receive 2/3 maybes @ this point.

Edmonton's not trading an expansion exempt Pulijujari for Trouba, who needs to be protected.

That's without Trouba's contract issues.

 

[Remember2004]

He's better than him now lol. Since Adam Larsson was traded to the oilers he has become the most Overrated player on this board. Yes he faces tough competition on a nightly basis...the problem is is that he is consistently beaten by them.

He is not a top pairing defenseman. He is a number 3 at best...where as Trouba has already played top pairing minutes and shined while playing there.

That's their way of justifying giving up Hall for him and feeling better about it LOL

 

[Elias Pettersson]

Wow people that don't watch Trouba play are clueless about his abilities?! No way!

Yeah I've seen Trouba play many times. He's always looked average and underwhelming. Sorry to break it to you bro.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

That's their way of justifying giving up Hall for him and feeling better about it LOL

meh, its not like we were winning with Hall in the line-up
plus we signed Lucic lol

 

[Roof Daddy]

I'd trade Trouba for Pulijujari but want an add from the Oilers in the form of a LD prospect. Add Nurse & it's OK or alternately Griffin Reinhart & a 2nd rounder.
Either way the Oilers get an NHL ready top 4 RD while the Jets receive 2/3 maybes @ this point.

You guys need LHD, we'll toss you Sekera for Laine. You get a top 4 LD, we get a "maybe."

 

[Legend123]

Wow people that don't watch Trouba play are clueless about his abilities?! No way!

Ive actually watched trouba play enough to judge him. You're gonna see him come up with a beautiful move from time to time and on some nights he makes himself look like a top pairing Dman. However, on far too many nights, he looks like an average second pairing and doing nothing special.

 

[LTIR]

Klefbom for Laine

Yea didn't think so