Post-Game Talk: PS #5 - 09/26/18 | islanders @ RANGERS | 7:00 - MSG

[Edge]

I think we really need to remember that this team is maybe 25 games into its rebuild — and that counts preseason games.

Yes, the team is not going to be very good and the prospects, some of which are still teenagers, are going to look like...well...teenagers.

Part of the problem is that we are busy worrying about year 5 of the rebuild and we’re barely past month 5.

 

[LeetchisGod]

The positive is that this is a great year to bottom out draft wise. Might as well take advantage of it.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Relatively speaking, I’m also a bit concerned about the lack of a bonafide 1D in the system

This draft has the potential for a few but I’d rather take a forward

I’m not sure how they plan to address it. I think the start of their plan was to just draft as many D as possible and pray one hit, as evidence by this past summers draft

I’m honestly not sure if teams are even going to think a 1D (in the terms we think of when talking about them) is even a necessity anymore. I’m kind of just starting to think the cup recipe is as simple as 3 Star level+ players and a few reliable secondary guys

 

[Edge]

Meh. Sink or swim. Quinn has clearly shown he can identify and ride his top line if/when he wants to.

They sank. In a preseason game. It's gonna happen. Everyone wants sink or swim PLAY THE KIDS until they look exposed.

If everyone wants the kids to play, and not be coddled and sheltered, then this is past of the experience. We have to take the bad with the good.

And if we’re looking to foster a teachable moment, then let’s do it in the preseason.

We can’t be afraid to fail. It’s going to happen at this stage. But it’s up to the staff and the players to “fail forward.”

They need to learn from their mistakes, make improvements and move along. And we, as fans, have to be willing to live with that for a while.

 

[FultonReed]

Can't we all just hold hands and sing Kumbaya as we watch the fire that is the New York Rangers?

or a circle jerk, if y'all prefer. I cannot partake, myself, but you guys enjoy

 

[Ghost of jas]

Relatively speaking, I’m also a bit concerned about the lack of a bonafide 1D in the system

This draft has the potential for a few but I’d rather take a forward

I’m not sure how they plan to address it. I think the start of their plan was to just draft as many D as possible and pray one hit, as evidence by this past summers draft

I agree, but I’m also someone not convinced we have a bona fide 1C either. Ideally, the Rangers could get a bona fide 1C in the upcoming draft and then a 1D in the following draft. But, hoo boy, two seasons of sucking would not make this place enjoyable.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

This really is going to be a very long season on this board. Through 5 preseason games in which we are 2-2-1 and have played ok, there are people already jumping off a ledge and proclaiming this rebuild is going to take another 4-5 years. Would some of you guys just give it a rest and see how we play in the first 20 games before being so god damn negative. I think we have a good future ahead of us and I trust Gorton with the rebuild and I expect the team to take its lumps but I also think they are going to be more competitive than the masses think. Don't worry. Be happy.

 

[Edge]

I agree, but I’m also someone not convinced we have a bona fide 1C either. Ideally, the Rangers could get a bona fide 1C in the upcoming draft and then a 1D in the following draft. But, hoo boy, two seasons of sucking would not make this place enjoyable.

It’s also important to understand what we’re asking for.

Guys who project as a 1C or a 1D aren’t a dime a dozen. It’s not like we’re just going to go out and find both in a single draft, or trade a vet on an expiring contract and get one. Sure it could happen, but that’s an unfair expectation.

I’m just not sure how anyone could look at our roster coming into this season and be totally surprised by the preseason.

Even a more optimistic view should be able to acknowledge that this outcome is at least a reasonable possibility.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I agree, but I’m also someone not convinced we have a bona fide 1C either. Ideally, the Rangers could get a bona fide 1C in the upcoming draft and then a 1D in the following draft. But, hoo boy, two seasons of sucking would not make this place enjoyable.

Yeah presumably they get the 1C in this draft

I also wouldn’t be totally shocked to see them make a trade for someone they feel could be that top defenseman

I dunno, it’s all speculation at this point. The year is gonna be long, but then I go watch videos of Hughes or Turcotte and say “yeah i’ll get over it for one of these guys”

 

[Machinehead]

To be fair with the wasting his ELC, what team that’s ever had one of those types of players hasn’t wasted said players ELC?

Very few of them, because this type of rebuild rarely works.

I'm not necessarily against rebuilding, but there's ways to do it and there's ways not to do it.

As I understand it, you suck in the short-term to be better in the long-term. Would you call this team well planned out over the long-term? Would you call our prospect pool one of the very best in the league? Would you call Gorton a good drafter?

It's not "suck and be good later." Right now it's, "suck and maybe we'll see what happens I guess."

The Flyers have their future 1C without trading their current 1C or their other current 1C, and like 92 prospects on defense who would be our best. That's a rebuild going right.

 

[Machinehead]

Relatively speaking, I’m also a bit concerned about the lack of a bonafide 1D in the system

This draft has the potential for a few but I’d rather take a forward

I’m not sure how they plan to address it. I think the start of their plan was to just draft as many D as possible and pray one hit, as evidence by this past summers draft

So basically, we'll suck and see what happens maybe I hope.

Thanks for saying what I wanna say in a nice way. I'm not capable.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Very few of them, because this type of rebuild rarely works.

I'm not necessarily against rebuilding, but there's ways to do it and there's ways not to do it.

As I understand it, you suck in the short-term to be better in the long-term. Would you call this team well planned out over the long-term? Would you call our prospect pool one of the very best in the league? Would you call Gorton a good drafter?

It's not "suck and be good later." Right now it's, "suck and maybe we'll see what happens I guess."

The Flyers have their future 1C without trading their current 1C or their other current 1C, and like 92 prospects on defense who would be our best. That's a rebuild going right.

Did you take angry pills tonight? The flyers rebuild has been in the work for several years now as opposed to the rangers starting last year. Our prospect system was ranked No. 11 just recently after so many picks and assets aquired and the Flyers were 12.

 

[Matt4776]

Very few of them, because this type of rebuild rarely works.

I'm not necessarily against rebuilding, but there's ways to do it and there's ways not to do it.

As I understand it, you suck in the short-term to be better in the long-term. Would you call this team well planned out over the long-term? Would you call our prospect pool one of the very best in the league? Would you call Gorton a good drafter?

It's not "suck and be good later." Right now it's, "suck and maybe we'll see what happens I guess."

The Flyers have their future 1C without trading their current 1C or their other current 1C, and like 92 prospects on defense who would be our best. That's a rebuild going right.

So your strategy is to be painfully mediocre until we luck out and win a lottery pick maybe we hope?

 

[Ghost of jas]

Yeah presumably they get the 1C in this draft

I also wouldn’t be totally shocked to see them make a trade for someone they feel could be that top defenseman

I dunno, it’s all speculation at this point. The year is gonna be long, but then I go watch videos of Hughes or Turcotte and say “yeah i’ll get over it for one of these guys”

That’s how I feel. Just allow me to enjoy KZB, see the kids develop, and I muddle through this year.

 

[Machinehead]

Did you take angry pills tonight? The flyers rebuild has been in the work for several years now as opposed to the rangers starting last year. Our prospect system was ranked No. 11 just recently after so many picks and assets aquired and they Flyers were 12.

Their rebuild is several years in the works, but they were never awful and never traded Giroux, Simmonds, Voracek, Couturier etc.

Sure they lucked out picking #2 when they barely missed the playoffs. That's unlikely to happen to us. You know what is likely to happen to us. We pick somewhere in the top 5 and the lottery forces us down. There's a 60% chance or better of that happening.

We'll see how much "complaining" is going on if we have the worst record and pick 4th.

 

[Ori]

gonna be a looooooong ****ing year if every PGT looks like this already rofl

We cant pretend we are happy losing in OT vs another New York team?
I know pre season don`t mean anything, but it actually do it usually show us where we are as a team strength wise.

 

[Machinehead]

So your strategy is to be painfully mediocre until we luck out and win a lottery pick maybe we hope?

The way the system is set up now, you have to luck out in the lottery regardless of where you finish.

The worst team has a better chance of picking 4th than any other spot.

 

[Machinehead]

I'd be more on board with sucking for the sake of sucking if the NHL wasn't gifting top 3 picks to random teams. It's a different game now.

 

[sabremike]

Can't we all just hold hands and sing Kumbaya as we watch the fire that is the New York Rangers?

In NYS you also have the glorious Phail Housley tire fire that will keep all of WNY warm and toasty this winter. Lou is trying to set the Isles on fire but Barzal, Beauvilier and Pulock seem hellbent to keep putting it out by pissing on it.

 

[Matt4776]

Their rebuild is several years in the works, but they were never awful and never traded Giroux, Simmonds, Voracek, Couturier etc.

Sure they lucked out picking #2 when they barely missed the playoffs. That's unlikely to happen to us. You know what is likely to happen to us. We pick somewhere in the top 5 and the lottery forces us down. There's a 60% chance or better of that happening.

We'll see how much "complaining" is going on if we have the worst record and pick 4th.

They literally got Couturier, Voracek, and Simmonds by trading Richards and Carter. Older veterans.

 

[Machinehead]

They literally got Couturier, Voracek, and Simmonds by trading Richards and Carter. Older veterans.

Wow, decent returns in a trade! There's something to try.

 

[Ghost of jas]

It’s also important to understand what we’re asking for.

Guys who project as a 1C or a 1D aren’t a dime a dozen. It’s not like we’re just going to go out and find both in a single draft, or trade a vet on an expiring contract and get one. Sure it could happen, but that’s an unfair expectation.

I’m just not sure how anyone could look at our roster coming into this season and be totally surprised by the preseason.

Even a more optimistic view should be able to acknowledge that this outcome is at least a reasonable possibility.

Actually, I’ve seen a lot of what I’ve expected so far. There are highs and lows, superb play and ugliness, all in the same sequence. I see a plan, and I see a team struggling to deploy it on a consistent basis. I see a lot of promise, but I see no immediate success.

 

[Machinehead]

Well, I really like Quinn so far.

I'll give him a mulligan on the OT and just assume he doesn't do that in the regular season. (It was stupid anyway)

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Very few of them, because this type of rebuild rarely works.

I'm not necessarily against rebuilding, but there's ways to do it and there's ways not to do it.

As I understand it, you suck in the short-term to be better in the long-term. Would you call this team well planned out over the long-term? Would you call our prospect pool one of the very best in the league? Would you call Gorton a good drafter?

It's not "suck and be good later." Right now it's, "suck and maybe we'll see what happens I guess."

The Flyers have their future 1C without trading their current 1C or their other current 1C, and like 92 prospects on defense who would be our best. That's a rebuild going right.

The Flyers had a 2.4% chance of getting the #2 pick in the 2017 draft. What an utterly misleading point you're making. And don't compare Girioux to McDonagh at this point in his career. You've still yet to address the fact that you were shitting on McDonagh from 2015 through 2017, I'll give you that you were more positive last season, but two full seasons you shit on McDonagh like no one on this board. Now you're bitching that he's not here. When do you not bitch?

 

[Machinehead]

The Flyers had a 2.4% chance of getting the #2 pick in the 2017 draft. What an utterly misleading point you're making. And don't compare Girioux to McDonagh at this point in his career. You've still yet to address the fact that you were ****ting on McDonagh from 2015 through 2017, I'll give you that you were more positive last season, but two full seasons you **** on McDonagh like no one on this board. Now you're *****ing that he's not here. When do you not *****?

Again, I was extremely consistent on keeping McDonagh, despite his flaws as a player.

Brady Skjei isn't even worth bitching about.