Until tonight's game Chytil and Andersson, along with Buchnevich and DeAngelo, were our best players in this preseason, now they suck and shouldn't make the team. You can't make up this stuff even if you want to.
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17futurecap
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I guess it doesn't matter anyways because the team is going to stink, but what an absolute waste it's going to be running McQuaid and Staal out there every night for 20 minutes.
The sooner he can flip McQuaid the better, Staal is a lost cause, should be in the press-box, but that's been the same story for years.
The sooner he can flip McQuaid the better, Staal is a lost cause, should be in the press-box, but that's been the same story for years.
I used to really like Skjei, but either he is out of shape or has some injury, cause watching him play makes me cringe, and thinking about his 6 year contract makes me puke. I thought we learned our lesson and would never give anybody more than a 4 year contract.
Machinehead
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The Hayes thing just f***ing kills me, so I have to expand on that.
Instead of locking him up, we sign a one-year deal and take him to UFA. What does that mean? That means we likely have to trade him. Either that, or sign him for even more money now because he goes from no leverage to all of the leverage; he can go wherever he wants.
So we decide to trade him. All 30 teams know we have to. His value plummets. And he's a UFA, so there's no guarantee you keep him. He's a rental. His value takes another huge hit.
For a second time now, we've put ourselves in a desperate situation where we're going to burn an asset where nobody has to give us an appropriate return, including the player because he's UFA now.
Why did we do this? Because we have too many centers. With our 18 and 19 YO's that have barely touched NHL ice, we have too many centers.
Instead of locking him up, we sign a one-year deal and take him to UFA. What does that mean? That means we likely have to trade him. Either that, or sign him for even more money now because he goes from no leverage to all of the leverage; he can go wherever he wants.
So we decide to trade him. All 30 teams know we have to. His value plummets. And he's a UFA, so there's no guarantee you keep him. He's a rental. His value takes another huge hit.
For a second time now, we've put ourselves in a desperate situation where we're going to burn an asset where nobody has to give us an appropriate return, including the player because he's UFA now.
Why did we do this? Because we have too many centers. With our 18 and 19 YO's that have barely touched NHL ice, we have too many centers.
Harbour Dog
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thank you. so glad someone spoke out. he makes this board so much less enjoyable to participate on.
Look, I did it a lot (when the Rangers were actually supposed to be good) during GDTs when the team was losing, but that's a time when passions run high and I mostly kept it to those threads. We lose a game in OT in the preseason and the sky is falling. It's nonstop.
I’m convinced.
You, literally, don’t watch hockey.
Staal has been a mother****ing abomination.
He’s done. He reacts too slow. And he Skates too slow. He has good reach. That’s it. That’s all left in him. He can’t make a difficult break out pass or just help contribute offensively anymore.
He’s not a suitable NHL dmen going forward. He simply doesn’t have the timing, skill, or skating.
He’s ****ing done.
Machinehead
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Front office: *still employs Marc Staal*
Quinn: *refuses to put him on the ice without Zibanejad*
Gonna be fun watching them duke it out.
Quinn: *refuses to put him on the ice without Zibanejad*
Gonna be fun watching them duke it out.
no, I understand. it just seems at this point he does it for attention. to say everyone on here is positive and no one is negative is just a flat out lie and disingenuous. the act is getting old and flat out annoying.
The 'plan' doesn't seem that hard to discern. But in hockey so many things change year to year that an obvious part of what our front office is taking the year to do is to evaluate what they have in the system.
They don't have an obvious #1 D in the system. Does Skjei (a third year defensemen, 169 career GP), reach another level by the season's end under a new coach? How does Libor Hajek fair in the AHL and where does his ceiling project after season against better competition? What is the timetable with K'Andre? Pierre says he's a four-year project. Guess that settles that? Maybe he's a bust.
Like, what is a discernible 'plan' in the NHL? What would the Rangers do to communicate their plan any clearer than they have. They're stockpiling young assets. They're not as concerned filling a competitive roster as they are with continuing to acquire assets and evaluate as precisely as possible what they have in them. Rangers added 5 defensemen who 'project' to be top-4 dmen in the last 6 months. They also have Skjei (of 169 gp), DeAngelo (of 71 gp), Pionk, etc.
At center, the Hayes deal was a bit confusing. But if you decide Chytil should be a winger for some time, or Andersson and he are not ready, sign Hayes to more money and trade Spooner or Vesey or Namestikov (all on affordable 2-year deals) for more young assets and open wing positions.
Or if the team is ready to move on and Hayes can get you a substantial return (another #1 pick, a top prospect) — and why wouldn't he, he's a 27 year old top 6 center... think about what Nash got...
They don't have an obvious #1 D in the system. Does Skjei (a third year defensemen, 169 career GP), reach another level by the season's end under a new coach? How does Libor Hajek fair in the AHL and where does his ceiling project after season against better competition? What is the timetable with K'Andre? Pierre says he's a four-year project. Guess that settles that? Maybe he's a bust.
Like, what is a discernible 'plan' in the NHL? What would the Rangers do to communicate their plan any clearer than they have. They're stockpiling young assets. They're not as concerned filling a competitive roster as they are with continuing to acquire assets and evaluate as precisely as possible what they have in them. Rangers added 5 defensemen who 'project' to be top-4 dmen in the last 6 months. They also have Skjei (of 169 gp), DeAngelo (of 71 gp), Pionk, etc.
At center, the Hayes deal was a bit confusing. But if you decide Chytil should be a winger for some time, or Andersson and he are not ready, sign Hayes to more money and trade Spooner or Vesey or Namestikov (all on affordable 2-year deals) for more young assets and open wing positions.
Or if the team is ready to move on and Hayes can get you a substantial return (another #1 pick, a top prospect) — and why wouldn't he, he's a 27 year old top 6 center... think about what Nash got...
Seems less about whether the Rangers have a plan and more about whether Machinehead agrees with the plan or trusts them to execute one successfully. There's an important distinction there, IMO.
Machinehead
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If you're trying to preserve quality discussion around here, this is a real shit way to do it, man.
Put down the bullhorn and take a smoke break. It's not your opinions, it's your opining.
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Machinehead
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I don't know how to put this in a nice way. It sucks.If you're trying to preserve quality discussion around here, this is a real **** way to do it, man.
Put down the bullhorn and take a smoke break. It's not your opinions, it's your opining.
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Some takeaways from the game:
Spooner-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Namestnikov-Hayes-Zuccarello
Kreider-Andersson-Chytil (Chytil is sent down to HFD and replaced by Fast if the line struggles)
McLeod-Fontaine-Fast (McLeod is replaced by Vesey when his hot streak ends, Beleskey takes the spot when healthy)
Skjei-DeAngelo
Smith-Shattenkirk
Claesson-Pionk
Hopefully Hajek gets a shot at earning an opening night spot tomorrow.
- KZB can't stay together, the extent we become a 1-line team with that combination is ridiculous. At least one of them needs to help on another line.
- Chytil might not be ready for NHL action. Apart from the little time he got to play with KZ, he got buried tonight and he got buried against Philly. Maybe he just can't hack it at center yet though, play him at wing tomorrow.
- Zibanejad continues being a legit 1C and the PP1 unit looks as fantastic as it did last year before Shatty's knee became an issue. Zib and DeAngelo have been the preseason standouts so far.
- Crawley isn't an ideal partner, but Pionk got buried once again. Try him with Smith or Claesson tomorrow, if that doesn't work out I think he needs to start the season in Hartford.
- I had been hoping that Staal-Shattenkirk could be a good way to contain Staal if he has to be in the lineup as they were legitimately good as a pairing last year. Less optimistic about that now. Play Shatty with Smith or Claesson tomorrow. Staal has hopefully played himself out of the opening night lineup at this point.
- Brett Howden has been hilariously out of his depth this pre-season, nowhere near an option for 4C. Against PHI he conceded 114 shot attempts per 60 min, tonight it was 118. For reference, a very good PP unit attempts 110.
- Not sure what's going on with Namestnikov, but I don't like it. Can't be counted carrying the load even possession-wise on a line and needs to ride shotgun to at least one superior player. In any case, Names-Vesey is a toxic combination and Quinn needs to stop playing them together.
- Please don't fall for the "OFD-DFD"-meme and play Skjei-McQuaid.
- Don't think Lettieri is a good option for the 4th line, though playing with Howden is a pretty thankless task.
Spooner-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Namestnikov-Hayes-Zuccarello
Kreider-Andersson-Chytil (Chytil is sent down to HFD and replaced by Fast if the line struggles)
McLeod-Fontaine-Fast (McLeod is replaced by Vesey when his hot streak ends, Beleskey takes the spot when healthy)
Skjei-DeAngelo
Smith-Shattenkirk
Claesson-Pionk
Hopefully Hajek gets a shot at earning an opening night spot tomorrow.
The Rangers are going to suck bad. It's preseason and some people are optimistic. Maybe the Rangers won't be as bad as the hockey analytic models are predicting. The Rangers are going to suck. They have average forwards. A lousy group of D. A goaltender who turns 37 in March and he hasn't looked good in camp. He was ranked 21st overall in a poll of 5 NHL GMs,2 head coaches and 3 goalie coaches. Sounds like the recipe for a highly successful team.
The S5
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This thread is like listening to WFAN callers discussing what the next moves are for the Yankees and Mets.
FWIW, Hank looks ready to do his part in tanking for Hughes!
FWIW, Hank looks ready to do his part in tanking for Hughes!
pld459666
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All I saw was a young kid get caught on an extended shift get beat to the outside by a quicker skater.
Nothing to get bent out of shape over.
Mistakes happen, during a rebuild, there are going to be more of them.
Learn and move on.
Everything else is just BS
Nothing to get bent out of shape over.
Mistakes happen, during a rebuild, there are going to be more of them.
Learn and move on.
Everything else is just BS
GREAT post! I agree with everything almost, I am not quite sure I see the downside with a Skjei-McQuaid pairing but I agree with the rest.
You're not addressing his point even remotely.
No. Nobody has to. You just decided you're right and you have to remind everyone, angrily, constantly. It's a legit rebuild, it's supposed to suck. If you like hockey and watching prospects develop it's great. Obviously you don't like that as much as you should while here on hockey's future. Edit: Which btw I think is ok. who givea a **** about being a prospect hound? Doesn't make you a better or worse fan. But when you mock everyone "wetting themselves over EVERYTHING the team does" you aren't being honest about why people are excited or even about the level of excitement. Not to mention this place SHREDS this team and its players and its management relentlessly.
I think it's just you, the specific opinions you have, how unreasonable many of them are and the tinge of hypocrisy many have pointed to
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haohmaru
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So... I'm confused. Isn't this what you wanted? Younger? Draft picks? Trade the old goats for futures? Why the constant need to prognosticate that the team is going to suck? You should be reveling in this as it's what you asked for for years. Enjoy it. You got what you asked for.
I saw an Ottawa fan say the same thing about Ottawa, hey maybe we are going to be better than we expect?
The better teams in this league isn't really good. Its not that I doubt either ours or Ottawa's ability to play a 60 minute game against rivals. But the problem is that so many teams making the POs does it by playing pretty crappy hockey -- but at the same time really not giving pts away nor having any big flaws that opposing teams can expose. Its hard to imagine that NYR or Ottawa can do that this season.
So the real question isn't really whether we can play like a top 16 team or not, I think we need to play like a top 8 team, top 4 in the East, to get into the POs. Because we will have a much worse churn than all other teams in the 5-8 race. Is that realistic? Nah, most likely it isn't.
Then on the other side of the spectrum you have what can happen to a team that struggles. Even if play like a top 5-8 team bad breaks, high churn rate or whatever, can give us some nasty stretches. That can induce negative circumstances that in itself makes us a lot worse, bad confidence, bad atmosphere, trouble with pressure and what not. All of a sudden we suck more than we "should".
Set your expectations accordingly. I wouldn't say that there isn't any glimmer of hope, but...
Blue Blooded
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With a Skjei-McQuaid pairing one of the following is true:
- McQuaid is playing top-4 minutes
- Skjei is playing bottom pairing minutes
Smith-Shattenkirk
Skjei-McQuaid
Hajek-DeAngelo
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