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bernmeister said:
Kreider and the correct RW would be better served by someone with greater skating/passing talents who is defensively responsible. Hmmmn, is there a more complementary C available? What about that guy on the 4th line with two checking Ws?

Hope springs eternal, even if it is fall/winter that's coming.
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Boo does not have enough overall talent to make his speed and defensive responsibilities work to the degree that he can get into the top 6 consistently. This has been explained to you.

You dont have to agree but you make posts like this as if you have never had this explained to you. You make posts like this as if it's a new idea. It's just weird.

One person liked this. I suspect that they like it the way fans of Howard Stern liked Beetlejuice. Posts like this one are the Beetlejuice of these boards. Or the Bobo if you listened to Opie and Anthony
 
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So how the heck will I be able to watch this in Sweden..???
Sorted it out. I am so happy! :D
 
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eco's bones said:
I'm kind of thinking Hughes becomes a Lafontaine or Kariya type player. Example like that today would be like Pettersson, Gaudreau, Barzal or Marner. They're smaller guys that can make you look really bad and he's going to make some of his own teammates look better than they actually are. The Devils have some good pieces around him right now. They'll need to hang on to Hall. Though Subban might be on a little bit of a decline he's still a very skilled d-man and he's got an over the top but pretty likable personality. And Hischier is really really good too. They're going to be an easy team for their fan base to like. If the Devils have an Achille's heel it's goaltending. I don't think Schneider's that good and I'm not sure Blackwood or whatever else they have are good enough. The big thing that can go wrong for them is they lose Hall--the position they need to upgrade is goaltender.

All that said I'm liking Kakko better. When we drafted Kreider he was like 6'2 190. He's around 215 now anyway. Kakko will probably play at the same--he'll be a power forward with great skill and determination. He is more physically ready than Hughes. He's also got an all around game kind of in place already. Last year the Rangers had one top end forward in Zibanejad. Now they have two in Panarin and Zibanejad and Kakko might join them very quickly and make three and there is real potential that Kravtsov and or Chytil could become 4 and 5. The Rangers offense in the next couple/three years has the potential to be explosive. We also have a ****load of top end defensive prospects and our future goaltending looks really really good. So anyway the Rangers and Devils look like they're going to be going at each other and be top end teams for a long long time.
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I'm going to be more pessamistic on the Devils because to be honest they're a rival and I don't particularly want them to do well...they kind of set themselves up to be mildly competitive in the next few years, especially if Hall re-signs, but I don't see the complete team talent there for a legitimate cup run and I'm not sure I see the prospect depth to get them there in the future either. They have some good pieces and maybe if they can keep Hall and get some exceptional play out of Hughes and Hischier while keeping them both under contract at a reasonable rate, they can manage to build around that, but their prospect pool is a bit lacking and for all the moves they pulled this summer, they're all pretty much short term moves. So, it'll be interesting to see if they can legitimately build around their top 2 centers in a way that lets them compete
 
yeah basically

Rangers look like they have better future depth and ability to build a lineup but the Devils probably have a better team this year and maybe next
 
ESPN did a feature, a Power Ranking of all teams over the next three years. Teams were scored on current roster, prospects, cap situation and contracts, front office, ownership, and coaching.

Rangers were fifth overall (behind Colorado, Tampa, Vegas, and Boston). Our roster was ranked 20th, prospects 1st, cap/contracts 4th, owner/GM/coach 10th. Composite score was 83 (1.1 points from being third, but 4+ points behind Colorado and Tampa).

Devils were ninth overall. 18th on roster, 4th on prospects, 9th on cap/contracts, 9th on coach/GM/owner. Composite score was 80.9.

Canes were 8th, Flyers were 12th, Isles 15th, Caps 18th, Jackets 20th, Pens 21st.

https://www.espn.com/nhl/insider/st...ngs-projections-all-31-teams-next-three-years

It's behind a paywall.
 
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Levitate said:
I'm going to be more pessamistic on the Devils because to be honest they're a rival and I don't particularly want them to do well...they kind of set themselves up to be mildly competitive in the next few years, especially if Hall re-signs, but I don't see the complete team talent there for a legitimate cup run and I'm not sure I see the prospect depth to get them there in the future either. They have some good pieces and maybe if they can keep Hall and get some exceptional play out of Hughes and Hischier while keeping them both under contract at a reasonable rate, they can manage to build around that, but their prospect pool is a bit lacking and for all the moves they pulled this summer, they're all pretty much short term moves. So, it'll be interesting to see if they can legitimately build around their top 2 centers in a way that lets them compete
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They have some excellent pieces - most notably Hughes, Hischier and Smith - but, the Rangers have overwhelming depth in addition the high end pieces. Andersson is probably at best the fifth best under 25 forward on this team. Look at what the Rangers have in the pipeline on defense, especially on the left side. There are two potential number one goalies in Georgiev and Shesterkin. There are ample assets to make trades. And, you have Zibanejad, Panarin and Trouba on top of all of that, as well as an asset in Kreider that can bring more picks and prospects if they decide to move him.
 
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ESPN did a feature, a Power Ranking of all teams over the next three years. Teams were scored on current roster, prospects, cap situation and contracts, front office, ownership, and coaching.

Rangers were fifth overall (behind Colorado, Tampa, Vegas, and Boston). Our roster was ranked 20th, prospects 1st, cap/contracts 4th, owner/GM/coach 10th. Composite score was 83 (1.1 points from being third, but 4+ points behind Colorado and Tampa).

Devils were ninth overall. 18th on roster, 4th on prospects, 9th on cap/contracts, 9th on coach/GM/owner. Composite score was 80.9.

Canes were 8th, Flyers were 12th, Isles 15th, Caps 18th, Jackets 20th, Pens 21st.

https://www.espn.com/nhl/insider/st...ngs-projections-all-31-teams-next-three-years

It's behind a paywall.
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Cap situation 4th? They obviously haven't been paying attention to our impending doom.
 
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They have some excellent pieces - most notably Hughes, Hischier and Smith - but, the Rangers have overwhelming depth in addition the high end pieces. Andersson is probably at best the fifth best under 25 forward on this team. Look at what the Rangers have in the pipeline on defense, especially on the left side. There are two potential number one goalies in Georgiev and Shesterkin. There are ample assets to make trades. And, you have Zibanejad, Panarin and Trouba on top of all of that, as well as an asset in Kreider that can bring more picks and prospects if they decide to move him.
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Yup, that's basically it. I think they're really hoping that Bratt continues to improve as a legit top six forward and signing Gusev was a smart move but...they've got a few pieces on defense (Smith, Severson, Butcher) but guys like Vatanen will be a UFA after this season, Subban is aging, where's the rest of their forward depth and what's going on with their goaltending? etc

Maybe I'm not familiar enough with all their system but at this moment it doesn't seem to have the depth to build up a real strong core around their top guys
 
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Levitate said:
Yup, that's basically it. I think they're really hoping that Bratt continues to improve as a legit top six forward and signing Gusev was a smart move but...they've got a few pieces on defense (Smith, Severson, Butcher) but guys like Vatanen will be a UFA after this season, Subban is aging, where's the rest of their forward depth and what's going on with their goaltending? etc

Maybe I'm not familiar enough with all their system but at this moment it doesn't seem to have the depth to build up a real strong core around their top guys
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Making the playoffs two years ago probably didn’t help, as they ended up trading assets to help their short playoff run.
 
Levitate said:
Yup, that's basically it. I think they're really hoping that Bratt continues to improve as a legit top six forward and signing Gusev was a smart move but...they've got a few pieces on defense (Smith, Severson, Butcher) but guys like Vatanen will be a UFA after this season, Subban is aging, where's the rest of their forward depth and what's going on with their goaltending? etc

Maybe I'm not familiar enough with all their system but at this moment it doesn't seem to have the depth to build up a real strong core around their top guys
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The Devils could conceivably add a ton of depth and future pieces though by moving those guys if they don't re-sign.

Rentals this year:
Hall
Greene
Vatanen
Simmonds

Rentals next year:
Zajac
Gusev
Palmieri

Whereas the Rangers:

Rentals this year:
Kreider
Namestnikov
Fast

Rentals next year:
Staal
Smith
Hank

The Rangers have capitalized on selling a few rentals over the last couple of years (Hayes, Zuccarello, Grabner, Nash) to quickly re-stock, the Devils could conceivably do the exact same in the next two years and continue building around Hischier, Hughes, Smith, etc.
 
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Levitate said:
Yup, that's basically it. I think they're really hoping that Bratt continues to improve as a legit top six forward and signing Gusev was a smart move but...they've got a few pieces on defense (Smith, Severson, Butcher) but guys like Vatanen will be a UFA after this season, Subban is aging, where's the rest of their forward depth and what's going on with their goaltending? etc

Maybe I'm not familiar enough with all their system but at this moment it doesn't seem to have the depth to build up a real strong core around their top guys
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Hockey teams change far more quickly than they used to. Prognosticators can't accurately predict the upcoming season, let alone years into the future. St. Louis wan't exactly a fave last season.

Six months ago, who thought the Rangers would have Kaako, Fox, Trouba, and Panarin, today?
 
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Levitate said:
I'm going to be more pessamistic on the Devils because to be honest they're a rival and I don't particularly want them to do well...they kind of set themselves up to be mildly competitive in the next few years, especially if Hall re-signs, but I don't see the complete team talent there for a legitimate cup run and I'm not sure I see the prospect depth to get them there in the future either. They have some good pieces and maybe if they can keep Hall and get some exceptional play out of Hughes and Hischier while keeping them both under contract at a reasonable rate, they can manage to build around that, but their prospect pool is a bit lacking and for all the moves they pulled this summer, they're all pretty much short term moves. So, it'll be interesting to see if they can legitimately build around their top 2 centers in a way that lets them compete
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NHL fans underestimate Gusev. I think, they will change their minds about the player very soon.
 
chosen said:
Hockey teams change far more quickly than they used to. Prognosticators can't accurately predict the upcoming season, let alone years into the future. St. Louis wan't exactly a fave last season.

Six months ago, who thought the Rangers would have Kaako, Fox, Trouba, and Panarin, today?
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Yes but the Rangers appear to have drafted a bit better for depth recently is my main point.
 
Thirty One said:
Cap situation 4th? They obviously haven't been paying attention to our impending doom.
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Most of our bad contracts end in 2 years but the Rangers have been garbage in giving out contracts. Skjei, Smith, Shattenkirk, Names, Staal. Panarin is probably overpaid by at least 1 million, same with Trouba.
 
One more "tsägä" for Kaapo, he'll understand, others will hopefully mercifully forget

 
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