Fanned On It
Registered User
Actually yeah he is... he makes countless "elite level" saves a game. Our team just has so many defensive breakdowns that allow the other team to capitalize.
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Actually yeah he is... he makes countless "elite level" saves a game. Our team just has so many defensive breakdowns that allow the other team to capitalize.
This team isn't very good. Management needs to take a long and hard look at some of the players on this team. This should't be a surprise if you are looking at this team in a realistic way and stop wearing the fanboy glasses. This team isn't a tinker here and add a piece here team.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
Retired
What does that have to do with his GAA and SV%?
The fact is, he hasn't been great — which is what this team needs him to be order to be even remotely competitive.
But, again, all this finger pointing is simply ignoring the 800 pound gorilla in the room.
offdacrossbar
misfit fanboy
We can't score. That's the problem.
Hank doesn't have much to work with and he's making things worse with his so-so play. I'll say again, he's been bad but we've been collectively worse.
2 choices, ride this pony like this and see where they end up. If they suck, sell. If han gets hot, they can limp into the playoffs.
Or, have the balls to put together a trade that will address this teams needs.
We're on our heels now with staals recent episode so mdz becomes more important if staals out.
I'm glad I'm not sather cause this teams a hot pile right now.
Hank doesn't have much to work with and he's making things worse with his so-so play. I'll say again, he's been bad but we've been collectively worse.
2 choices, ride this pony like this and see where they end up. If they suck, sell. If han gets hot, they can limp into the playoffs.
Or, have the balls to put together a trade that will address this teams needs.
We're on our heels now with staals recent episode so mdz becomes more important if staals out.
I'm glad I'm not sather cause this teams a hot pile right now.
The Gloaming
23
Would you guys keep the leadership guys the same? I would change some letters.
Have three alternate captains. McD, Cally, and whoever.
Have three alternate captains. McD, Cally, and whoever.
I would possibly trade Callahan, and definitely Girardi. There have been far too many lulls over the years with these guys in place.
Worst of all, they'll be paid at a value that exceeds their skills -- thats what you get for overslotting guys in the lineup year over year due to lack of depth.
I see you failed to quote the post and respond to it. Interesting. Feel free to do a logical comparison of your idea vs mine and explain why your line of thinking makes more sense.
The Gloaming
23
Yeah, IDK. But like, who else deserves one? Everyone has been terrible, save for McD and Kreider. And I'd rather Kreider develop without the pressure of a letter. Stepan has captained teams before. Maybe give him an A?
I've been preaching this all year. Callahan and Girardi need to GTFO. Sick and tired of them. Already breaking down. Have no interest in giving them David Clarkson contracts or worse.
Yes bc that was a legitamate attempt to put a percentage on it and not a way to illustrate how minimal this issue is.
I won't see it and neither will any1 else b/c it isn't true. I am saying that they were not anywhere near as important as you are implying. In fact the Nash trade was a GOOD move. It has been surrounded by a PLETHORA of bad and downright terrible moves as well as a cascade of horrifically bad luck. Those moves and that luck has NOTHING to do with the Nash trade. Nowhere am Isaying that Dubs and AA were utterly useless. They were good players on this team, they were not unimportant. But this does not mean that losing them was THE catalyst for submarining this team. In fact the Nash trade likely made last years team BETTER than what it would have been if we had not made the trade.
Look at every year besides the outlier 11-12 year (including last year when they went to columbus and this year) But yes we should use the statistical and logical outlier of 11-12 to prove the worth of just 2 players who were not even top 3 on the team that year. It's just nonsensical.
Look at stats, look at the performance of other players, look at career ending injuries and draft picks that failed to pan out (especially offensive picks). These are all pieces of evidence that can explain the stagnation and reversal of this team's fortunes. I don't know why this is so hard it's not like I outlined each specific one of these things already.
The insinuation in this post is that admitting the team is poorly constructed also = admitting that the Nash trade caused it all. LOL. The leaps in logic are astounding
There I did your homework for you. Im sorry but I cannot possibly look at all of those things and surmise that the Nash trade is the chief culprit in the team regressing.
And if you want to add. It didn't cause Callahan to age another two years and start showing wear and tear this year, it also didn't cause Henrik to start letting in soft goals what seems to be at an unprecedented level based on his career. It didn't send Prust away to Montreal (his contract demands and skill level did that and he's hurt half the time in Montreal btw is that the Nash trades fault too?) Nor did it age Fedotenko out of the NHL. It didn't cause Clowe to be a walking concussion.
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If things dont drastically improve, its time to clean house at the deadline. Get what you can for Girardi, Callahan, Del Zotto, etc. Re-tool around McDonagh, Lundqvist, Kreider, Stepan, Nash. Thats not a bad core.
People love to talk about how a coach gets stale after a few years. I think we are in a situation where the players are stale.
Garv23
Registered User
to be honest, let them all fight for the letters. Nobody on this team had showed any leadership. Excluding McD. Kreider is still young like you said.
There is no one this team who the other team fears. Krieder may be that guy one day but not yet. Other than that nobody. Henrik was that guy but that ship is slowly fading into the night.
The Gloaming
23
I find myself agreeing with you more and more.
I mean, we're not getting McDavid, but we do need to retool. Can't rebuild with Hank, but we have to let go of some "core players" who haven't done squat.
Call up McIlrath. Who cares if he isn't that skilled, put him on the 4th line and let him create some sparks around here. That's exactly what we need.
Nobody plays with an edge, we look awful. Easy to see when Dorsett is out, but he alone is not the answer.
Nobody plays with an edge, we look awful. Easy to see when Dorsett is out, but he alone is not the answer.
The Gloaming
23
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LaffyTaffyNYR
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The core of this team is still the same core under other coaches who couldn't get it done either. change the entire core that has been here and got mediocre results
I would say that the complete indifference on the ice is the beginning of all problems. Until that is solved, nothing will get resolved.
