Seravalli: Price of Brandon Hagel “ 1st, Top Prospect + Another Asset”

[BKarchitect]

I seriously had to look him up. I didn’t find anything that would lead me to believe his is worth a 1st or a top prospect, let alone both.

 

[BKarchitect]

It's amazing how there has been a salary cap for 17 years now and people still don't understand how it works and what assets have value. Especially after things like the Coleman deal.

Hagel is worth a fortune because of his contract.

Spot on. This is the value of an elite middle six forward who is still 23, does a bit of everything and has shown such tremendous growth that we still don't truly know what he's going to top out at - and getting that for $1.5 million a year for the next 2.5 years and you still get control of him after that sweetheart deal runs out. For a team that is going to be close to capped out to fill all kinds of holes for that cap hit is just so, so valuable.

 

[Perratrooper]

No sir

Fair enough, what would it take to make the trade cross the line?

 

[MS]

Spot on. This is the value of an elite middle six forward who is still 23, does a bit of everything and has shown such tremendous growth that we still don't truly know what he's going to top out at - and getting that for $1.5 million a year for the next 2.5 years and you still get control of him after that sweetheart deal runs out. For a team that is going to be close to capped out to fill all kinds of holes for that cap hit is just so, so valuable.

He's basically a $4 million asset at a $1.5 million cap hit so he provides like $6 million+ in surplus cap value over the next 2.5 years. That is absolutely massive.

 

[Teemu]

I feel like the people who don't know who Hagel is are the same people who show up in Bryan Rust threads and ask "Who the heck is Bryan Rust"

 

[PettersonHughes]

"Meanwhile, we're live outside Rogers Arena in Vancouver, where velvet ropes are being set up around wide walkways, to welcome GM's bringing carts full of assets to GM Rutherford's office, for inquiries regarding JT Miller and Brock Boeser."

 

[MS]

I feel like the people who don't know who Hagel is are the same people who show up in Bryan Rust threads and ask "Who the heck is Bryan Rust"

And the ones who were LOLing when Seattle didn't take Van Riemsdyk and Price in the expansion draft.

 

[Calad]

I think it's safe to say Hagel is of high, high interest to competing teams.

- He will be 23 until August of ths year
- He's shown incredible growth every season
- He's on pace for 50 points with very little of that coming on the PP. If you want to say his shooting percentage is a bit high, fine - but he's got speed to burn and underrated skill and there's zero doubt he he's got 45-50 point middle six production in him on any team.
- Combine that with the versatility to play on both special teams units, a chippy-ness that belies his size and an industriousness and work ethic that is absolutely top notch with advanced possession metrics on a poor team that point to continued room for growth.
- He's making only $1.5 million for two more years after this year and is STILL and RFA after that.

The Goodrow comment I guess kind of applies in that maybe it would take either an outrageous trade or the "idea" here of an outrageous trade for people to actually look into who Brandon Hagel is except that Hagel is far younger, has far more upside and and has far more contract control than when Goodrow was shrewdly acquired by the Lightning and people flipped out that they gave up a 1st.

Hagel is exactly the type of player a smart GM is going to try to acquire before he becomes a "known" name and yeah, I do think those GM's are definitely asking Chicago about him.

You claim "safe to say the guy is not getting traded", I say oh yeah sounds like the GM just wanted to put an end to people bothering him about the player, and so you ignore my point and pump the guys tires to the max and suggest there are tons of GMs interested in him. Make up your mind lol

 

[Mrfenn92]

Fair enough, what would it take to make the trade cross the line?

Honestly not sure because I don’t want to get hf board crazy with a dumb ass ask

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Damn, Montreal should have signed him when he was at their camp years ago.

Pretty sure it was him.

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

Chicago fans this year often described Brandon Bagel as the best grinder they have. Take that for whats its worth.

 

[BKarchitect]

You claim "safe to say the guy is not getting traded", I say oh yeah sounds like the GM just wanted to put an end to people bothering him about the player, and so you ignore my point and pump the guys tires to the max and suggest there are tons of GMs interested in him. Make up your mind lol

His tires deserve to get pumped. And GMs are interested in him. I feel his value to the Hawks is too high though for anything realistic to happen. Hence the ask which is causing all of these pretty ignorant hot take reactions.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

Oof and Buchnevich gets a 2nd. Good luck with that

 

[bossram]

He is cost controlled at a bargain for 1.5M/year for two more seasons after this one, and an excellent player. Why wouldn't it be a 1st round pick at minimum? If you're a contender with a hole in your middle 6 forwards, you jump on that.

Yep, I don't think it's that crazy.

Obviously Chicago leaked this "price" to Seravelli because they want to maximize return. But it's pretty conceivable that Chicago could get the Blake Coleman return (1st + top prospect) for Hagel. They're similar players in that they can add value on any line, bring a solid forechecking + physical presence, and provide secondary scoring. Hagel still has two more seasons on a very valuable contract, which would be very attractive for a contender.

 

[bossram]

I seriously had to look him up. I didn’t find anything that would lead me to believe his is worth a 1st or a top prospect, let alone both.

You haven't paid much attention to Hagel recently, or even looked at CapFriendly then.

He's a solid player, who's produced at a very good clip for a guy that doesn't get huge minutes or PP time. Nice forechecking + physical presence. And he's locked in at a very attractive $1.5 million for two more seasons.

Chicago absolutely should be looking to get the Blake Coleman return, at minimum.

 

[Richard88]

Spot on. This is the value of an elite middle six forward who is still 23, does a bit of everything and has shown such tremendous growth that we still don't truly know what he's going to top out at - and getting that for $1.5 million a year for the next 2.5 years and you still get control of him after that sweetheart deal runs out. For a team that is going to be close to capped out to fill all kinds of holes for that cap hit is just so, so valuable.

The value of a low caphit contract needs to be put in perspective. For example, for the Avs it could be the difference in having to let Burakovsky walk in the offseason or being able to squeeze him in (along with Kuemper, Nichuskin, and Francouz). Is a high price in futures worth it if it enables you to keep a pending UFA instead of losing them for nothing?...

 

[CoachWithNoTeam]

Seems like a player Chicago should be holding onto and one that wouldn’t be available, unless someone is willing to pay that amount. Sounds weird to trade one of your younger core players if you are rebuilding. Probably just wishful thinking on some buyers parts, countered with an absurd offer.

 

[Drunkenfish]

Damn, Montreal should have signed him when he was at their camp years ago.

Pretty sure it was him.

It was Brandon Bhagel. Ouf, what a lame joke.

 

[TheDoldrums]

tbh this thread has kind of sold me on him. Dubas has talked a lot about acquiring people with term, the only way that makes sense is if the AAV is really low and well this definitely fits the bill.

 

[Cotton]

Yeah indeed, in 41 games played on a struggling Hawks team. I’d say that’s pretty good.

Would you guys also be open to dealing Entwistle?

 

[Dr Danglefest]

What an Absurd ask

 

[Mrfenn92]

Would you guys also be open to dealing Entwistle?

My guess is they would be open to pretty much everyone

 

[John Mandalorian]

With this kind of ask for a player like this, an interesting dynamic is shaping up. Seattle has some guys similar to this (eg Jarkrok, Appleton) and they can start to become a factor in this. After hearing about this ask, you have to wonder how many GMs got Seattle on the phone. They could possibly have some power here.

 

[DFF]

So basically Hagel is worth more than Toffoli?

 

[DFF]

With this kind of ask for a player like this, an interesting dynamic is shaping up. Seattle has some guys similar to this (eg Jarkrok, Appleton) and they can start to become a factor in this. After hearing about this ask, you have to wonder how many GMs got Seattle on the phone. They could possibly have some power here.

Did you see how Francis managed the expansion draft? He probably asked a 4th rounder for them