Seravalli: Price of Brandon Hagel “ 1st, Top Prospect + Another Asset”

[Ledge And Dairy]

Who’s giving up a 1st and top prospect for a third liner???

Tampa, 2 years ago. Won them the Stanley Cup

 

[GoodNewfieBoy]

Throw in your first born and you can have him

 

[Oddbob]

Yeah, good luck with that Chicago.

 

[Oddbob]

Detroit just came out and said, they want 3 1sts and 2 2nds for Dekeyser. He is going nowhere for anything less.

 

[Bizz]

If he's worth a 1st+, then Noah Gregor is worth at least 6 1sts.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

If he's worth a 1st+, then Noah Gregor is worth at least 6 1sts.

That makes zero sense, Gregor is the same age and has 8 points. Hagel has 26 points

 

[Dr Quincy]

Detroit just came out and said, they want 3 1sts and 2 2nds for Dekeyser. He is going nowhere for anything less.

Comparing a good player on a steal of a contract for an overpaid below replacement level for comedic effect.

 

[Dr Quincy]

If he's worth a 1st+, then Noah Gregor is worth at least 6 1sts.

Please explain why a worse player is worth 5x as much.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Hagel was part of my 32 team dynasty league championship last year. I like him and I dont think Id trade him right now unless it was overpay
asking price seems fine no reason for Chicago to trade him. hes young enough he can be part of the team when they are ready to roll again and hes only going to get better

 

[BKarchitect]

Please explain why a worse player is worth 5x as much.

I mean this entire thread is basically:

“I don’t know anything about this player. That probably means my belief that he sucks is true. Rather than read up on what makes Hagel such a valuable commodity - which has been explained multiple times in this thread - I’d rather just make a snarky comment that highlights my ignorance and that dozens of posters have already made variations of. Because that is what the internet is for.”

 

[BHD]

Lmao looks like Brandon Hagel is going nowhere then

I remember Pens fans - myself included - saying the same thing when Winnik was on the block.

 

[CupInSIX]

Never even heard of this guy till the thread opened.

He's not real, like the web guy who would put himself into Yahoo preseason scoring leaders.

 

[waitin425]

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

I came in to say who too. But after seeing and bit of background on the guy, the asking price absolutely valid.

Guys like this are golden to cup contending teams. I would not be surprised in least to see Toronto or similar team pursue this.

2 more years at 1.5 and he has strong motor, 2 way game, and can put up 40ish points and only 23? Yea, he's getting AT LEAST a first.

Coleman returned a 1st+notable prospect. Asking price def same.

 

[gdsmack267]

I had to google to figure out who this even is.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I came in to say who too. But after seeing and bit of background on the guy, the asking price absolutely valid.

Guys like this are golden to cup contending teams. I would not be surprised in least to see Toronto or similar team pursue this.

2 more years at 1.5 and he has strong motor, 2 way game, and can put up 40ish points and only 23? Yea, he's getting AT LEAST a first.

Coleman returned a 1st+notable prospect. Asking price def same.

Also remember that Coleman was significantly older, had 1 less year of a cheap contract and wasn't an RFA at the end of the deal

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Also remember that Coleman was significantly older, had 1 less year of a cheap contract and wasn't an RFA at the end of the deal

And Coleman had back-to-back 20 goal seasons, 3 shorthanded goals that season and waaaaay more physical than Hagel.

 

[BKarchitect]

The value of a low caphit contract needs to be put in perspective. For example, for the Avs it could be the difference in having to let Burakovsky walk in the offseason or being able to squeeze him in (along with Kuemper, Nichuskin, and Francouz). Is a high price in futures worth it if it enables you to keep a pending UFA instead of losing them for nothing?...

He's not as good as Hagel but I think LOC is a guy who's inherent value to his club and his beauty contract elevate his importance in a similar way. It's just lovely that Sakic was able to extend LOC for basically a million bucks for the next 3 years after this one. To have a third line spot basically on lockdown for that cheap with a guy who has shown nothing but determination to get better after being an after-thought prospect is golden.

I would be shocked if the Avs hadn't inquired about Hagel. I don't think they'll pay that price but he's a guy that is in the absolute wheelhouse of what this management team looks for.

 

[mikelvl]

Why stop there? I think they should ask for multiple firsts and multiple top prospects. And a pony!

I think that Dundon in Carolina would actually play the pony just to piss the other owners and player agents off.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

And Coleman had back-to-back 20 goal seasons, 3 shorthanded goals that season and waaaaay more physical than Hagel.

Hagel is a different style player than Coleman, He doesn't hit as much but he's still an excellent grinder and PK's. As I said earlier in the thread Hagel over the last 2 seasons reminds me A LOT of Mangiapane in his first 2 years. If he turns out anything like that it's a massive win for whoever pays the OP's asking price

 

[Richard88]

He's not as good as Hagel but I think LOC is a guy who's inherent value to his club and his beauty contract elevate his importance in a similar way. It's just lovely that Sakic was able to extend LOC for basically a million bucks for the next 3 years after this one. To have a third line spot basically on lockdown for that cheap with a guy who has shown nothing but determination to get better after being an after-thought prospect is golden.

I would be shocked if the Avs hadn't inquired about Hagel. I don't think they'll pay that price but he's a guy that is in the absolute wheelhouse of what this management team looks for.

Yeah, contracts like those in the bottom 6 is how contenders keep their cup window open. With Hagel the Avs would be looking at having a bottom 6 costing less than $7m next season assuming JTC and/or Jost are moved (as rumoured in the Giroux trade).

Hagel $1.5m --- Newhook ELC -- O'Connor $1.05m ($3.55m)
UFA/ELC ~$1m --- Maltsev $1m? -- NAK $1.2m? ($3.2m)

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Hagel is a different style player than Coleman, He doesn't hit as much but he's still an excellent grinder and PK's. As I said earlier in the thread Hagel over the last 2 seasons reminds me A LOT of Mangiapane in his first 2 years. If he turns out anything like that it's a massive win for whoever pays the OP's asking price

Hagel isn't going to get top 6 minutes where ever he goes.

Might not even get 2nd wave pp time.

There is a bit of a risk with Hagel.

 

[CupInSIX]

Who's the modern equivalent to Mogilny? Trade him for that guy.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Also remember that Coleman was significantly older, had 1 less year of a cheap contract and wasn't an RFA at the end of the deal

Coleman was one of the best defensive forwards in the NHL and wasn’t shooting an unsustainable 19%.

 

[burstnbloom]

As one NHL scout put it, he’s a really average player as soon as he stops moving his feet. He’s really not a long term top-6 solution and we won’t be good enough during his current deal to move him to the third line.

hmm. ok. Respect to that scout, but he's a pretty good player. I'd think they'd hold on to this guy. At the very least, if he keeps scoring he continues to make a name for himself and is worth a lot more in a year or so. Strange that his name is out there.