Seravalli: Price of Brandon Hagel “ 1st, Top Prospect + Another Asset”

[CupSeeker]

He's quietly putting up a 50pt season, he's 23, he's signed for $1.5m for the next two seasons, and he's probably the Hawks best two-way forward.

He's absolutely not a household name, but the asking price does make sense.

who are his most common linemates?

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Hagel isn't going to get top 6 minutes where ever he goes.

Might not even get 2nd wave pp time.

There is a bit of a risk with Hagel.

This is assuming he's traded.

Coleman didn't get top 6 minutes in Tampa, and he didn't get any PP time. 19 of Hagel's 27 points this year are at 5v5. It's not like he needs PP time to be very effective.

What risk? he's 23 and plays a very relentless style hockey

I feel like you really don't get how good he is right now or where his potential can get him to. He's a sophomore in the league

 

[TGWL]

You get get a first. You get a first. You get a first. Um, there's only "inset amount of 1st round picks left for 2022" from contenders. TRADE THEM ALL!

But why are the Hawks interested in trading a 23 year old anyway?

 

[Miri]

Fair price would be Hagelin. You would even get extra “in”

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

who are his most common linemates?

Last year when he put up 24 points in 57 games as a rookie his most common linemates were Kampf and Kubalik/Carpenter. He also played a decent amout with Pius Suter

This year he's mostly played with with Toews, Kane, and Strome mostly. He's the 2nd line LW behind DeBrincat (Kubalik was pushed down).

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

This is assuming he's traded.

Coleman didn't get top 6 minutes in Tampa, and he didn't get any PP time. 19 of Hagel's 27 points this year are at even strength. It's not like he needs PP time to be very effective.

I feel like you really don't get how good he is right now or where his potential can get him to. He's a sophomore in the league

True, but did Coleman have a Patrick Kane, or DeBrincat ?

Coleman did have Hall for a bit of the first season where he scored 20, but didn't really play with Hall 5 on 5

Brandon Hagel plays with Kane over 20% of his 5 on 5 play

A lot of his linemates consist of Kane, Toews, Dach, DeBrincat. Toews likely isn't considered his elite self anymore and that's fair. The difference is Coleman didn't play regularly with a player of Kane's ability.

Pretty obvious he won't have a bottom 6 linemate like Kane. Whomever buys him, if at that price is getting taken for a ride.

He's a bit of a journeyman, so hopefully it works out, but I'd stay away from him thinking he'd have the same presence that Coleman brought. Could get a Goodrow return. Hagel + pick for a 1st.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Coleman was one of the best defensive forwards in the NHL and wasn’t shooting an unsustainable 19%.

As I've said, he's more of a Mangiapane, not a Coleman. His S% will come down but he's still going to hit 20 goals just fine this year

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

True, but did Coleman have a Patrick Kane, or DeBrincat ?

Coleman did have Hall for a bit of the first season where he scored 20, but didn't really play with Hall 5 on 5

Brandon Hagel plays with Kane over 20% of his 5 on 5 play

A lot of his linemates consist of Kane, Toews, Dach, DeBrincat. Toews likely isn't considered his elite self anymore and that's fair. The difference is Coleman didn't play regularly with a player of Kane's ability.

Pretty obvious he won't have a bottom 6 linemate like Kane. Whomever buys him, if at that price is getting taken for a ride.

He's a bit of a journeyman, so hopefully it works out, but I'd stay away from him thinking he'd have the same presence that Coleman brought. Could get a Goodrow return. Hagel + pick for a 1st.

He's played 11.5% of his total 5v5 ice time this year with DeBrincat. So no he really hasn't played with DeBrincat. Strome sure, but not Cat.

Do you have selective reading or something? He's in his 2nd NHL season and is 23. How do you come to the conclusion that he is a journeyman? This is different from Coleman entirely, but because of his age, contract, and results he should easily return the Coleman package

 

[jfhabs]

For some reason I read Price for Hagel, 1st and top prospect

 

[JaegerDice]

Did anybody actually listen to the podcast this news came from?

Cause according to Seravalli, teams have already offered the Blackhawks a 1st and a prospect for Hagel…

Seravalli: “Is it worth it to the Blackhawks to keep Hagel? Or to get a price close to that and move him?”

Gregor: “But do you think you can get a first-rounder for Brandon Hagel?”

Seravalli: “Can they get a first? There are teams that have offered a first and a prospect.”

Gregor: “For Hagel?!”

Seravalli: “Yes.”

Gregor: “Well, if I’m Chicago, I’m taking that.”

 

[Space umpire]

I’m humored at the number of posters admitting they are clueless about good players outside their own team. Hagel gets a 1st and a good prospect easily. As the story clearly tells … that has already been offered.

I am though enjoying the clueless then claiming they know what a guy is worth.

 

[GaryU]

I don't like the trade Hagel idea, as a Hawks fan. Age, production and playing style, he's the kinda guy you want on your team. If he was traded, I'd asking for a 1st+.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Can't wait to tag you when we trade Lekh!

Can't wait to laugh when the return is nowhere near a 1st, Top Prospect + Another Asset.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Can't wait to laugh when the return is nowhere near a 1st, Top Prospect + Another Asset.

It'll be late 1st, a "top prospect" (some teams #4-5 best prospect), and the other asset will be a 3rd or whatever roster winger gets pushed out.

 

[JohnHodgson]

And people say JT Miller's ask is unrealistic.

 

[pman25]

Hagel is a very good player on a bargain contract. If I'm the hawks, yeah I'm asking for a 1st and a top prospect. Otherwise, keep him. He's not someone they have to move so it absolutely should take an overpayment to get him.

 

[TomKosto]

Can't wait to laugh when the return is nowhere near a 1st, Top Prospect + Another Asset.

Oh ok so now he is getting trade uh? Never said that’s gonna be the return and you sir said nobody wants Lekhonen

 

[archangel2]

I’m humored at the number of posters admitting they are clueless about good players outside their own team. Hagel gets a 1st and a good prospect easily. As the story clearly tells … that has already been offered.

I am though enjoying the clueless then claiming they know what a guy is worth.

Then why has the deal not been announced? Hawks are my second favourite team and I do not think the value on him is as high as some hawk fans want to believe. he is good but not that good

Most games I have seen have had him on a line with Debrincat

 

[Bettman Returnz]

I am still very confused… why are the Blackhawks trading him? If he’s such a good piece/ bargain (and hawks aren’t getting any younger) then why bother trading him?

I’ve heard of him but not enough to correlate him with a 1st round pick/ prospect. That seems a bit far fetched.

 

[Volica]

 

[Space umpire]

Then why has the deal not been announced? Hawks are my second favourite team and I do not think the value on him is as high as some hawk fans want to believe. he is good but not that good

Most games I have seen have had him on a line with Debrincat

If you “most games” see him with DeBrincat then you don’t watch very often. I’d say he plays about 10% with him.

 

[Captain Mountain]

I am still very confused… why are the Blackhawks trading him? If he’s such a good piece/ bargain (and hawks aren’t getting any younger) then why bother trading him?

I’ve heard of him but not enough to correlate him with a 1st round pick/ prospect. That seems a bit far fetched.

He's shooting almost 20% this season, trying to sell high would be my guess. There could a decent market for him, teams might jump at a guy that is playing top 6 minutes with top 6 results and only makes 1.5 mil for two more seasons after this.

 

[Bettman Returnz]

He's shooting almost 20% this season, trying to sell high would be my guess. There could a decent market for him, teams might jump at a guy that is playing top 6 minutes with top 6 results and only makes 1.5 mil for two more seasons after this.

The low cap part is good… the high shooting % probably will swing back around (eventually). I can understand a 2nd but 3 good pieces is aggressive.

 

[Captain Mountain]

The low cap part is good… the high shooting % probably will swing back around (eventually). I can understand a 2nd but 3 good pieces is aggressive.

You always start with high demands. Its also not clear if "another asset" is a good piece or just a guy to take his roster spot.

 

[Bettman Returnz]

You always start with high demands. Its also not clear if "another asset" is a good piece or just a guy to take his roster spot.

Fair enough. I’ll eat my words if he actually gets a 1st + good prospect +