Post Deadline Transactions and Signings

[Americanadian]

the 1999 is a concern, though it wouldn't be hard to determine if he was involved.... and I get the hitting too...

I suppose I'm looking at it from the viewpoint... If you bring Bunting and RoR back... "if"... then you probably don't have the cap room for Crouse.

I appear to be more optimistic about their contracts than this board.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[horner]

No I wouldn’t sign Matthews to a 14/15 million per year contract. If our stars haven’t learned from squeezing every penny from this organization already, then yes I wouldn’t be afraid to explore the trade market for any of them. Matthews isn’t McDavid. 12.5 is the highest I’d go on a Matthews extension.

The bleeding has to stop.
I am worried about health going forward.
He has always had an injury a year it seems.

The shine has worn of on Matthew's. In my eyes he is not the generational player that I thought we drafted.
He is a very good player that needs a set up man ( marner ) to score .

Marner and Nylander can run there own line and they are only getting better.
Marner 11.5 million for 8 yrs on his next contract.
Nylander 9.5 million * 8 yrs

 

[aingefan]

Hunting for college talent?
Cleared two contracts, just like that.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Quick Shifts: When will the Maple Leafs sign Matthew Knies?

Kyle Dubas talks Matthew Knies | 2023 UFA class lacks star power | Timothy Liljegren under pressure | Jack Campbell returns on a low | NHL’s worst post luck + 7 more NHL goodies…

www.sportsnet.ca

2. Way back at training camp, the 2023 class of UFA forwards was something to salivate over.

But with David Pastrnak, Bo Horvat, Dylan Larkin, Joe Pavelski and Andrei Kuzmenko all inking mid-season extensions, the remaining crop has been chopped frighteningly thin.

Good luck signing a frontline centre on Canada Day.

Thirty-seven-year-olds Patrice Bergeron and David Krejci are sticking it to Father Time, but they’re much more likely to choose retirement or another encore in Boston than the open market.

Ryan O’Reilly is the best of the bunch, and he’s currently a 2C/3C on a roster with Stanley Cup dreams.

Max Domi deserves his due for a 50-point showing, but most view him as a middle-six asset.

Same goes for solid but fading two-way pivots Jordan Staal, Jonathan Toews, J.T. Compher, Nick Bjugstad, Lars Eller, and David Kämpf.

This explains the early buzz around a possible Kevin Hayes trade out of Philadelphia, so we wonder if a trade market for good centres on rebuilding teams kicks up.

Free-agent impact wingers will also be scarce.

Most pending UFA stars on the flanks are slowing or injury-prone or both: Patrick Kane, Vladimir Tarasenko, Max Pacioretty, James van Riemsdyk and Gustav Nyquist.

Absolutely, important top-six role players can still be found. Sign a Michael Bunting, Alex Killorn, Tyler Bertuzzi, or Ivan Barbashev, and your hockey club gets better.

But there is a severe lack of game-breakers at any position here.

Consider: Not one impending UFA is averaging a point per game. (Krejci is the most prolific at 0.88 points per game.)

There is no John Tavares or Artemi Panarin or Johnny Gaudreau or Dougie Hamilton this summer. And no Nathan MacKinnon next summer.

Security, comfort, and guaranteed money still inform most hockey stars’ decisions.

Fingers crossed, we get trades instead.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Random scenario: Fast forward to the off-season, Leafs fail to make it out the first round again, or get eliminated in 2nd round - Dubas, or the new GM decides that all the money upfront isn’t working. Detroit is stuck in a limbo and can’t find a franchise forward to build around, and have faith that Edvinsson can be a top D for them.

To Leafs:
Moritz Seider
David Perron (50% retained)

To Red Wings:
William Nylander
2023 Bruins 1st Rounder
Prospect (Topi Niemela/Nick Robertson)?


Bunting-Matthews-Marner
Knies-Tavares-Jarnkrok
Kerfoot-O’Reilly-Perron
Lafferty-Kampf-Acciari

Rielly-Seider
McCabe-Brodie
Giordano-Liljegren

Samsonov

 

[aingefan]

Re., that free agency primer
Keep O’Reilly, Acciari and Schenn. Avoid long long terms.
Fill the rest with Marlies. Maybe there’s a min signing in there or too, some college/euro UFA’s for competition.
That’d be four forward jobs for the taking. Knies, McMann and Holmberg with the inside track for three of them.
Schenn buffers angainst injury.
There’s still an extra goalie to peddle.

 

[the real Fox mulder]

Do you see Dubas trading Nylander if he can't sign him to a contract extension for picks or players like Necas or Dube.

 

[Its not your fault]

The bleeding has to stop.
I am worried about health going forward.
He has always had an injury a year it seems.

The shine has worn of on Matthew's. In my eyes he is not the generational player that I thought we drafted.
He is a very good player that needs a set up man ( marner ) to score .

Marner and Nylander can run there own line and they are only getting better.
Marner 11.5 million for 8 yrs on his next contract.
Nylander 9.5 million * 8 yrs

You do know that's a set offensive play right?

 

[horner]

You do know that's a set offensive play right?

?

 

[Buds17]

Do you see Dubas trading Nylander if he can't sign him to a contract extension for picks or players like Necas or Dube.

The other team may prefer a return led by a pick/prospect if Nylander plans on testing the market.
My hope is that Dubas angles for a player-based return if Nylander decides to forgo free agency for that new team.

The scenario somewhat depends on Toronto's cap situation. A hockey trade should ideally be the preference.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

I can see us swinging a deal for Mario Ferraro (with retention) from the Sharks. Maybe 2-2.5mil per?

I’d give up Bruins 1st. Another LHD but can be a perfect Giordano replacement in the future. Let Gio mentor a fellow Toronto kid.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I can see us swinging a deal for Mario Ferraro (with retention) from the Sharks. Maybe 2-2.5mil per?

I’d give up Bruins 1st. Another LHD but can be a perfect Giordano replacement in the future. Let Gio mentor a fellow Toronto kid.

And where exactly are we putting him next year?

He is also not that good of a defenseman. At that point, we may as well have just kept Sandin.

 

[TMLAM34]

Do you see Dubas trading Nylander if he can't sign him to a contract extension for picks or players like Necas or Dube.

Unless this organization was heading into a full out rebuild, the return package better include some nice young NHL pieces.

Haven’t really thought about this scenario but a quick random team that pops up in my head would be the Dallas Stars. Wyatt Johnston would have to be coming to Toronto, potentially Mason Marchment along with picks.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Unless this organization was heading into a full out rebuild, the return package better include some nice young NHL pieces.

Haven’t really thought about this scenario but a quick random team that pops up in my head would be the Dallas Stars. Wyatt Johnston would have to be coming to Toronto, potentially Mason Marchment along with picks.

You might be able to get Johnston...not sure. I don't think you get Johnston+Marchment+picks. Willy would defintiely fit in nicely with Dallas' other top forwards though.

 

[TMLAM34]

You might be able to get Johnston...not sure. I don't think you get Johnston+Marchment+picks. Willy would defintiely fit in nicely with Dallas' other top forwards though.

Yeah I can definitely see Dallas having interest in Nylander, as many teams would. Like I said though, just randomly threw out a team and player without really thinking about it. Johnston is just an example of the type of player I’d need to be apart of the deal, a young center who can slot into our top six in the future given our lack of center depth in the pipeline.

 

[showtime8]

I'm not as concerned about the salary cap situation, knowing that Tavares is not going to get an increase on his current salary.

Unless you are getting an equivalent defender to Nylander like Shea Theodore, I'm not sure I would look at moving him.

 

[rojac]

As for trading Nylander, why not move him for futures (picks & prospects) then use the cap space to sign a mid-range replacement and maintain or improve depth? That would reduce the top end talent but improve depth and the futures pool.

Just a thought.

 

[TMLAM34]

As for trading Nylander, why not move him for futures (picks & prospects) then use the cap space to sign a mid-range replacement and maintain or improve depth? That would reduce the top end talent but improve depth and the futures pool.

Just a thought.

Ideally we don’t move Nylander as he’s been one of our best forwards dating back to last year and like you said, Tavares won’t be getting a raise and in fact he’ll probably be getting a major paycut on his next deal.

But if the Leafs do fail to advance from the first round again, there’s gotta be some major changes on and off the ice unfortunately.

 

[TMLAM34]

Taking a look at our salary cap situation for next year, we’re actually in a pretty good spot. If we can re-sign the following players in Bunting (4), O’Reilly (5.5), Acciari (1.5) and Samsonov (3.5) while trading Murray, we can ice this roster:

Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Robertson - Tavares - Nylander
Knies - O’Reilly - Jarnkrok
McMann - Acciari - Lafferty

McCabe - Brodie
Rielly - Liljegren
Giordano - Timmins

Samsonov - Woll

And we would have around 4.1 million in cap space remaining…

Some decent free agents out there this summer as well in Connor Brown, Lars Eller, Miles Wood, Carson Soucy, Conor Sheary, Garnet Hathaway and Scott Mayfield who definitely fit in that free cap space range. Not to mention I’m sure there will be a few player who don’t receive a qualifying offer or are bought out such as Max Comtois.

 

[Menzinger]

Not that I expect the Leafs to be interested, but he's as good as gone from Arizona

 

[LeafSteel]

I'm not as concerned about the salary cap situation, knowing that Tavares is not going to get an increase on his current salary.

Unless you are getting an equivalent defender to Nylander like Shea Theodore, I'm not sure I would look at moving him.

Knowing the kind of person that Tavares is, I would have no doubt that he would go to Leafs management prior to his UFA and as early as this summer, to let them know exactly what he would be asking when doing his contract, so that Leaf management has a very good idea what they have to play with Cap-wise.

For example, I would expect him to let them know he will accept $2.5m (as an example), so that Management knows how to allocate to re-sign our Big 3, as well as ROR. No doubt in my mind Tavares will take less to keep this core together, particularly if we are able to have success this Playoff and push deep.

Cheers,

 

[Menzinger]

Knowing the kind of person that Tavares is, I would have no doubt that he would go to Leafs management prior to his UFA and as early as this summer, to let them know exactly what he would be asking when doing his contract, so that Leaf management has a very good idea what they have to play with Cap-wise.

For example, I would expect him to let them know he will accept $2.5m (as an example), so that Management knows how to allocate to re-sign our Big 3, as well as ROR. No doubt in my mind Tavares will take less to keep this core together, particularly if we are able to have success this Playoff and push deep.

Cheers,

It's probably a near certainty Tavares will offer a substantial discount on an extension. I doubt it'll be Spezza cheap but I could easily see something in the 2-4 million range over 3 or so years

 

[TMLAM34]

Not that I expect the Leafs to be interested, but he's as good as gone from Arizona

He’s definitely an underrated player. With Matthews and Tavares already down the middle though, hard to see them interested in Schmaltz especially if they plan on re-signing O’Reilly and Acciari hopefully.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

He’s definitely an underrated player. With Matthews and Tavares already down the middle though, hard to see them interested in Schmaltz especially if they plan on re-signing O’Reilly and Acciari hopefully.

Yep, I'd rather sign ROR and Acciari, then let the kids play rather than move them for another big F.

Knies - AM - Marner
Tavares - ROR - Jarnkrok
Bunting - Lafferty - Nylander
Steeves/UFA - Acciari - McMann