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Phion Keneuf said:
Would’ve loved if we could’ve traded for Kapanen (with retention).

id do it for Crouse + Cooley + 2023 1st/2024 1st
Doubt Arizona does it still.
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Arizona and Matthews isn't gonna be a thing.

Half of their future cap hits are IR guys that are paid by insurance.

You maybe worry if he wants to go to the Los Angeles and that's about it.
 
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Stephen said:
People always put this notion forward that if Toronto doesn't do X, Y, Z, and aren't good enough for Matthews, he'll leave and get that home run contract somewhere else. True to an extent and it's clear the Leafs are trying by putting together this beefed up team for the playoffs, but I always thought it would be a two way street.

If Matthews doesn't do any big game, deep playoff run stuff in the 1.5 years remaining, or if his game slips the way it has from his peak last season, or if injuries start piling up, is he still going to be a $15 million man? Is a well run team going to rip itself apart to fit him in? He's getting outgunned by Marner and Nylander on his own team. He's 25th in PPG average.
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A well run team? No.

A desperate team? Yes.
 
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ULF_55 said:
www.tsn.ca

St. Louis Blues sign college FA Anton Malmstrom to two-year, entry-level deal | TSN

The St. Louis Blues signed college free-agent defenceman Anton Malmstrom to a two-year, entry-level contract, the team reported on Monday.
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Is not burning a year.

We've signed defenseman Anton Malmstrom to a two-year entry-level contract that begins with the 2023-24 season.
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I'm surprised this guy was even eligible to play NCAA hockey after playing 4 games in the SHL. Playing in the OHL removes a players eligibility because you get like $200/week, the SHL is a pro league. As far as the contract goes I could see Tverberg taking a contract for next season but not Knies.
 
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Superstar said:
Would you sign him for $14 million plus if you're the Leafs? I wouldn't because this team won't be competitive paying a player that much...what would Marner asks for if Matthews is getting that much?

Matthews should not be making more than MacKinnon.
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No I wouldn’t sign Matthews to a 14/15 million per year contract. If our stars haven’t learned from squeezing every penny from this organization already, then yes I wouldn’t be afraid to explore the trade market for any of them. Matthews isn’t McDavid. 12.5 is the highest I’d go on a Matthews extension.
 
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TMLAM34 said:
No I wouldn’t sign Matthews to a 14/15 million per year contract. If our stars haven’t learned from squeezing every penny from this organization already, then yes I wouldn’t be afraid to explore the trade market for any of them. Matthews isn’t McDavid. 12.5 is the highest I’d go on a Matthews extension.
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He is not taking 12.5 mill. Almost guaranteed.

I don't think he will necessarily get 14/15 mill either, but he is almost certainly getting over 13 mill.

And if he plays to his usual standards, he is worth every penny of that. If this is his new normal, then maybe 12.5 mill makes sense.
 
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SeaOfBlue said:
He is not taking 12.5 mill. Almost guaranteed.

I don't think he will necessarily get 14/15 mill either, but he is almost certainly getting over 13 mill.

And if he plays to his usual standards, he is worth every penny of that. If this is his new normal, then maybe 12.5 mill makes sense.
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If this is his new normal, he's a $9 million player.
 
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55 Years of Futility said:
They can't let it wait that long. His NMC kicks in July 1 2023. Can't let him hold all the cards.
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June is going to be a pivotal month for the franchise, regardless of how long the playoff run lasts;
- will Dubas still be the GM?
- will AM and Nylander be re-signed, and if so on what terms?
- if not, will one or both be traded, and what kind of return could we get?

There is a chance the future will look very bright for the Leafs, but that's far from assured.
 
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Superstar said:
Would you sign him for $14 million plus if you're the Leafs? I wouldn't because this team won't be competitive paying a player that much...what would Marner asks for if Matthews is getting that much?

Matthews should not be making more than MacKinnon.
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Why not? He’s younger and proven far more. Like it or not, players salaries are overwhelmingly driven by regular season accomplishments, not playoffs
 
Dekes For Days said:
We didn't give up McCann for Kerfoot, and the O'Rielly retention gave us more options for the deadline. Without the retention, we would have had to move out more than just one depth player to make the moves we did.
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I still can't figure out why people ignore the fact that Kerfoot was unprotected.

Where the hell did this all come from?
 
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Sypher04 said:
Why not? He’s younger and proven far more. Like it or not, players salaries are overwhelmingly driven by regular season accomplishments, not playoffs
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Do you want an expensive trophy or build a team that could win the Cup? We've already seen how overpaying Matthews and Marner hasn't led to playoff success, so now we should continue to overpay them on their next contracts? I guess as Dubas says, leave it to him to fill around the margins...that's just a nice way of saying leave the scraps and crumbs for fringe players and pray that they help.
 
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Superstar said:
Do you want an expensive trophy or build a team that could win the Cup? We've already seen how overpaying Matthews and Marner hasn't led to playoff success, so now we should continue to overpay them on their next contracts? I guess as Dubas says, leave it to him to fill around the margins...that's just a nice way of saying leave the scraps and crumbs for fringe players and pray that they help.
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You’re basically placing failure to win a cup entirely on the contracts we gave to Matthews and Marner alone. Both of whom having played to a level worth every penny we have paid them. I reject that premise outright.
 
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Superstar said:
Do you want an expensive trophy or build a team that could win the Cup? We've already seen how overpaying Matthews and Marner hasn't led to playoff success, so now we should continue to overpay them on their next contracts? I guess as Dubas says, leave it to him to fill around the margins...that's just a nice way of saying leave the scraps and crumbs for fringe players and pray that they help.
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Trading Matthews for lesser assets (since a hockey trade seems very unlikely) and hoping to somehow get better without a 1C doesn't strike me as a smoother path to a cup though
 
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Menzinger said:
Trading Matthews for lesser assets (since a hockey trade seems very unlikely) and hoping to somehow get better without a 1C doesn't strike me as a smoother path to a cup though
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I didn't say to trade Matthews for a bag of pucks...if he asks for the moon, I would gladly trade him to Vegas for Eichel and Theodore.
 
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SeaOfBlue said:
He is not taking 12.5 mill. Almost guaranteed.

I don't think he will necessarily get 14/15 mill either, but he is almost certainly getting over 13 mill.

And if he plays to his usual standards, he is worth every penny of that. If this is his new normal, then maybe 12.5 mill makes sense.
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$12.5 million is a pay cut based on an $87.5 million cap, so I don't think that is happening....
 
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Nhl players are paid on the regular season. 0lus the market went up a bit. Why would marner who keep having career bests that keep him in the top 10 of almost every category breaking every record make the same amount as someone who contributes way less than he does. And you may say the cup, but literally anyone except the leafs can be a cup winner. Doesn't matter how weak and lame you are, if you're on a team and they win the cup so automatically you win the cup.

Superstar said:
Do you want an expensive trophy or build a team that could win the Cup? We've already seen how overpaying Matthews and Marner hasn't led to playoff success, so now we should continue to overpay them on their next contracts? I guess as Dubas says, leave it to him to fill around the margins...that's just a nice way of saying leave the scraps and crumbs for fringe players and pray that they help.
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I didn't say to trade Matthews for a bag of pucks...if he asks for the moon, I would gladly trade him to Vegas for Eichel and Theodore.
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That looks like a tough swap for either team to make though. Losing the best player in the trade potentially shouldn't bring the Leafs any closer to a Cup. For VGK, moving two major pieces in exchange for only one likely serves to weaken the team's overall quality.
 
kb said:
$12.5 million is a pay cut based on an $87.5 million cap, so I don't think that is happening....
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I don't think a pay cut is necessarily off of the table. Most top guys who are paid well the first time are willing to do so.

Although I don't see Matthews doing that.
 
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