Post Deadline Transactions and Signings

[Phion Keneuf]

Yeah not trading Marner to Ottawa so he can haunt us for the next 10+ years.

 

[kinghock]

What possible Marner, Nylander trades could look like for Maple Leafs — Sportsnet

If the Maple Leafs do decide to alter their core with a trade, Mitch Marner and William Nylander appear to be the most likely candidates. Ryan Dixon proposes a trade for each player to better understand what the return for Toronto could look like.

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I have no issues with what you said, and appreciate the across the aisle perspective, and the way you put it.

I don’t typically make trade proposals because it’s a pointless pursuit and becomes a platform for others to thread crap without adding anything beyond “have you recently suffered a head injury” type snark.

I based my proposal off of this article on Sportsnet that made the initial Marner to LA deal, and I swapped out what I felt made it better value for Toronto.

Cheers

I understand your point, but how often trade ideas from Sportsnet making sense for two trading partners?
In my opinion it is almost never.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Yeah not trading Marner to Ottawa so he can haunt us for the next 10+ years.

Gotta look at the glass half full, his puck over the glass calls are the only way we’re guaranteed power plays in the playoffs.

 

[the real Fox mulder]

Should we have interest in David Perron.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

The reality is most people are dumb...and there are a LOT of Toronto fans so chances are you do encounter some clowns but if you articulate your thoughts pretty well, people can appreciate your thought process.

I had a dumbass idea about trading JT to Boston because UFA centres are bad and JT visited there at least but posters kindly pointed out how the cap wasn't going to quite work, did it for myself and sure enough, didn't look viable.

I'm one of the clowns for sure.

for some reason this post with the constanza light saber just made me laugh even harder

Should we have interest in David Perron.

If he was a couple of seasons younger sure.

 

[Legion34]

freidman sars matthews isn’t Signing by July 1. And says they are looking for a gm who isn’t afraid to make big decisions.

Kinda sounds like he might be gone?

 

[Brobust]

Toronto retool idea, accepting the idea of taking a step back but trying to compete for a WC spot.

1. Matthews to an 8 year deal at whatever price.
2. Trade some key pieces for futures.
3. Wait for Tavares contract to expire.
4. Have cap space and picks for Timo Meier/Ekholm type of TDL additions.

 

[Sebastien]

Toronto retool idea, accepting the idea of taking a step back but trying to compete for a WC spot.

1. Matthews to an 8 year deal at whatever price.
2. Trade some key pieces for futures.
3. Wait for Tavares contract to expire.
4. Have cap space and picks for Timo Meier/Ekholm type of TDL additions.

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Lol why in the heck does Nashville does this? They will laugh

 

[Brobust]

Lol why in the heck does Nashville does this? They will laugh

Took a bad contract back. And got the equivalent of 3 1sts in return of Marner.

Why is this ridiculous?

 

[the real Fox mulder]

Toronto retool idea, accepting the idea of taking a step back but trying to compete for a WC spot.

1. Matthews to an 8 year deal at whatever price.
2. Trade some key pieces for futures.
3. Wait for Tavares contract to expire.
4. Have cap space and picks for Timo Meier/Ekholm type of TDL additions.

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I like the signing, rather keep Nylander, and rather we trade Marner for Elias Lindholm and Noah Hanifin. Overall not bad

 

[Dreakmur]

Toronto retool idea, accepting the idea of taking a step back but trying to compete for a WC spot.

1. Matthews to an 8 year deal at whatever price.
2. Trade some key pieces for futures.
3. Wait for Tavares contract to expire.
4. Have cap space and picks for Timo Meier/Ekholm type of TDL additions.

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I'm not sure you need to trade both Marner and Nylander.

Let's just do the Marner and Liljegren to Calgary for Anderson and Linholm. That opens up the cap space to build a much better roster.

Matthew Knies - Auston Matthews - William Nylander
John Tavares - Elias Lindholm - Tyler Bertuzzi (6.0)
Myles Wood (3.0) - Erik Haula (2.75) - Calle Jarnkrok
Pontus Holmberg (1.0) - David Kampf (2.25) - Sam Lafferty
Adam Erne (1.25)

Morgan Rielly - Luke Schenn (2.0)
TJ Brodie - Rasmus Andersson
Jake McCabe - Conor Timmins
Mark Giordano

Ilya Samsonov (3.75)
Joseph Woll

 

[Brobust]

I'm not sure you need to trade both Marner and Nylander.

Let's just do the Marner and Liljegren to Calgary for Anderson and Linholm. That opens up the cap space to build a much better roster.

Matthew Knies - Auston Matthews - William Nylander
John Tavares - Elias Lindholm - Tyler Bertuzzi (6.0)
Myles Wood (3.0) - Erik Haula (2.75) - Calle Jarnkrok
Pontus Holmberg (1.0) - David Kampf (2.25) - Sam Lafferty
Adam Erne (1.25)

Morgan Rielly - Luke Schenn (2.0)
TJ Brodie - Rasmus Andersson
Jake McCabe - Conor Timmins
Mark Giordano

Ilya Samsonov (3.75)
Joseph Woll

There are a couple of reasons why I'm fine with trading Nylander. Despite his production in the playoffs, he's actually been outscored 5v5 because of his constant defensive lapses. I also don't believe he'll negotiate pre-July 1st, which is a major risk.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Toronto retool idea, accepting the idea of taking a step back but trying to compete for a WC spot.

1. Matthews to an 8 year deal at whatever price.
2. Trade some key pieces for futures.
3. Wait for Tavares contract to expire.
4. Have cap space and picks for Timo Meier/Ekholm type of TDL additions.

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Colorado deal. Yuck.

 

[Sebastien]

Took a bad contract back. And got the equivalent of 3 1sts in return of Marner.

Why is this ridiculous?

Because nobody including rebuilding Nashville is giving up those pieces for more expensive, player whose a free agent in two years in Marner

 

[613Leafer]

I keep circling back to the Rangers as good trading partners. Fox, Lindgren, Trouba, Miller, and Schneider are all quality D under the age of 30. For cap purposes though, it may have to be Trouba they're moving in a big trade.

Kappo and/or Lafreniere are forwards with upside that could be added to a deal as well (though as seen with Puljijarvi, no guarantee they improve just because they were high picks).

 

[TMLAM34]

People who think you’re not going to get top value in a Marner deal because he’s only got two years left in a deal is pretty ridiculous… They’d probably say the same if he had 3 or 4 years remaining, “they’re a free agent though in 3 years!”…

It’s Mitch Marner, you’re getting top value for him in any trade. Stop being ridiculous.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

Having nightmares that the new GM is trading Marner for Kyrou straight up, who has a cap hit over $8m for the next 8 years and then Kyrou scores less than 70 points every year while playing on the perimeter and not driving the net.

 

[lanceuppercut75]

People who think you’re not going to get top value in a Marner deal because he’s only got two years left in a deal is pretty ridiculous… They’d probably say the same if he had 3 or 4 years remaining, “they’re a free agent though in 3 years!”…

It’s Mitch Marner, you’re getting top value for him in any trade. Stop being ridiculous.

This isn't true.

If I'm a team with a truly great prospect that's 19 or 20 years old, and I can get a player as good as Marner on my team if I give up that stud teenager, getting 4 or more years of Marner will probably he worth it, whereas only 2 years makes you pause and debate whether or not that's worth it or not.

Put yourself in the other GM's shoes. Remember when he had drafted Marner in 2015/2016 season but he was still playing in London? Would you trade him back then for a stud on a 2 year contract or 5 year contract, or would it make no difference in your decision making process?

 

[Americanadian]

This isn't true.

If I'm a team with a truly great prospect that's 19 or 20 years old, and I can get a player as good as Marner on my team if I give up that stud teenager, getting 4 or more years of Marner will probably he worth it, whereas only 2 years makes you pause and debate whether or not that's worth it or not.

Put yourself in the other GM's shoes. Remember when he had drafted Marner in 2015/2016 season but he was still playing in London? Would you trade him back then for a stud on a 2 year contract or 5 year contract, or would it make no difference in your decision making process?

Don't bring logic onto these boards.

 

[RAM]

This isn't true.

If I'm a team with a truly great prospect that's 19 or 20 years old, and I can get a player as good as Marner on my team if I give up that stud teenager, getting 4 or more years of Marner will probably he worth it, whereas only 2 years makes you pause and debate whether or not that's worth it or not.

Put yourself in the other GM's shoes. Remember when he had drafted Marner in 2015/2016 season but he was still playing in London? Would you trade him back then for a stud on a 2 year contract or 5 year contract, or would it make no difference in your decision making process?

You need to target teams that have been out of the playoffs for a while but are close to breaking out I think the best fits are with teams in our division Buffalo Ottawa Detroit maybe Nashville Calgary I still look at Buffalo with Owen Power or Dylan Cozens and all those first round draft picks there could be a win win deal and to have a blanket rule to not trade in your division is stupid you trade with anyone who will make you better period

 

[Buds17]

You need to target teams that have been out of the playoffs for a while but are close to breaking out I think the best fits are with teams in our division Buffalo Ottawa Detroit maybe Nashville Calgary I still look at Buffalo with Owen Power or Dylan Cozens and all those first round draft picks there could be a win win deal and to have a blanket rule to not trade in your division is stupid you trade with anyone who will make you better period

A divisional rival is competition for a playoff spot and a guaranteed first round playoff opponent if a team isn't going to end up being a divisional winner or wild card though. As such, I'd say it's a bigger risk to trade within the division...unless the trade is between two teams clearly going in opposite directions.

 

[Brobust]

This isn't true.

If I'm a team with a truly great prospect that's 19 or 20 years old, and I can get a player as good as Marner on my team if I give up that stud teenager, getting 4 or more years of Marner will probably he worth it, whereas only 2 years makes you pause and debate whether or not that's worth it or not.

Put yourself in the other GM's shoes. Remember when he had drafted Marner in 2015/2016 season but he was still playing in London? Would you trade him back then for a stud on a 2 year contract or 5 year contract, or would it make no difference in your decision making process?

Really depends on where the team is in terms of competing.

If there's a team out there that has already accumulated a bunch of pieces and is looking to compete. Then it makes sense. The leafs weren't in that position when drafting Marner.

The teams out there looking for that might be Nashville, Vancouver, St Louis and Detroit.

 

[geo25]

I really don't think a new GM will have the guts to trade 100pt Marner in his first off-season. This isn't a 29 year old rental Huberdeau situation. I think it would have been more likely if Dubas stayed.

Have no doubt Nylander will be the sacrificial lamb. I think league wide GMs value him less than the fan perception, even though he's the better playoff performer. Just a feeling. My guess is a Hanifin+ caliber return, which most probably don't like on paper.

Then that's not the GM for us....we need someone who can assess, evaluate quickly and is bold & savvy. This is where experience is paramount.

 

[geo25]

Toronto retool idea, accepting the idea of taking a step back but trying to compete for a WC spot.

1. Matthews to an 8 year deal at whatever price.
2. Trade some key pieces for futures.
3. Wait for Tavares contract to expire.
4. Have cap space and picks for Timo Meier/Ekholm type of TDL additions.

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Matthews at ANY price? Huh, dont think so....time to ship his ass out for a player who wants to be here & produce when its important. Catering to prima donna type players HAS to stop or we'll go no where.

 

[Rare Jewel]

A big issue seems to be that the teams with the cap space and assets Toronto would seek, aren't exactly looking to make a big win now type of moves. Anaheim or Nashville are good examples of this, which is why it may be tough to find a match.

When thinking about the idea of moving Tavares, there may only be 1 or 2 teams that fit all the criteria needed and possibly not many more than that for Marner.