Americanadian
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I don't disagree that Shanahan should know everything that's going on. I just don't understand why Matthews would ever agree to a contract in principle prior to July 1st when he gains 100% of the leverage.
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Americanadian
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Apparently the only person who could fix this is the person who put them in this situation.
This scenario presents two scenarios
1. If he will he wants to be a toronto maple leaft
2. If it is about leverage.. other things are more important and you gage market.. get some traction and go back to him
Then it gets real
I liked Ottawa as an option during the Stutzle draft summer and they had so many picks.
Americanadian
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Even if he wants to be a Leaf there has to be a number where you walk away and that negotiation is one sided when he has a NMC and is a pending UFA. As a fan all you can do is pray that he's going to be reasonable with his contract demands if he wants to stay. As a GM the smart play is to move him to the highest bidder at the draft and not go through a one sided negotiation.
yes and that number hopefully you get to see before july 1st - you go with my two scenarios and it leads you to a decision.
you make the other person make the decision for you - run the business. either he wants to negotiate now and show good faith or it is more important to get your leverage so you can throw that gigantic number on the table
either way you get which way it's leaning before july 1st and pivot accordingly.. enough games ffs
I would just ask Matthews straight up if he wants to be a Leaf long term and if so at what price and contract length. If he wants to be fair to the team and isn't about screwing us over then he would give his number and then we see if his demands are reasonable or not and if there's any room to negotiate.
If what he wants is too high and he doesn't want to budge any if at all, then move him ASAP. If he doesn't want to talk numbers before July 1st then move him ASAP. Lets see how much does he really want to stay as a Leaf.
Americanadian
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I think this is what it's going to come down to.
lanceuppercut75
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Matthews CAN'T sign an extension before July 1st according to the rules of the NHL. The Leafs also "can't" negotiate a contract with him before July 1st, but that's a rule that has a lot of loopholes.
Basically, the Leafs and Matthews need to (unofficially) negotiate a contract before July 1st and then do a handshake promise with each other that both parties are gonna sign it on July 1st, since Matthews will have his No Movement Clause starting on the same day.
Contract is negotiated and agreed on before July 1st and only thing needed is for team and player to sign it when they're allowed to on July 1st = keep Matthews and sign the contract extension
Contract isn't agreed on by both parties with only 24 or 48 or 72 hours left before July 1st = trade him
Hoping we can get Mayfield in free agency. I think he’d be a nice upgrade on Schenn to play with Rielly.
Rielly - Mayfield
McCabe - Liljegren
Brodie - Timmins
#7 - Giordano
Rielly - Mayfield
McCabe - Liljegren
Brodie - Timmins
#7 - Giordano
I’m very fine with moving on from all of 34, 16 and 88 for a reset. I’d prioritize keeping AM of the three, but wrist health pending and I don’t think for more than McKinnon gets.
In all cases I’d be fine retaining salary to enhance the return, and fine with enabling extension talks to enhance the return.
Obviously this is all done pending a suitable return. I’m not going to propose any trades. But in the end, a trade for any of the three should meet the following conditions:
A) be cap neutral or better
B) include one asset capable of driving play because all three of these players do
C) be helpful in the present and the future.
D) emphasis on, but not limit the focus to C’s and D.
I don’t see urgency to move on from Reilly. I don’t want to get into moving on from JT, since it seems unlikely. But if something made sense, why not? And Brodie, I’m fine with a move if you’re looking to earmark his money for an upgrade on D, like Orlov. But if not, I’m happy with the D moving into next season.
In all cases I’d be fine retaining salary to enhance the return, and fine with enabling extension talks to enhance the return.
Obviously this is all done pending a suitable return. I’m not going to propose any trades. But in the end, a trade for any of the three should meet the following conditions:
A) be cap neutral or better
B) include one asset capable of driving play because all three of these players do
C) be helpful in the present and the future.
D) emphasis on, but not limit the focus to C’s and D.
I don’t see urgency to move on from Reilly. I don’t want to get into moving on from JT, since it seems unlikely. But if something made sense, why not? And Brodie, I’m fine with a move if you’re looking to earmark his money for an upgrade on D, like Orlov. But if not, I’m happy with the D moving into next season.
hamzarocks
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Marner to the blackhawks
Korchinski + 2023 1st (there 2nd 1st) +2024 2nd
Get a blue chip D prospect + 1st and a 2nd
Korchinski + 2023 1st (there 2nd 1st) +2024 2nd
Get a blue chip D prospect + 1st and a 2nd
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I would re-sign Matthews regardless if he wants to be here and re-signs I would obviously try and get the best deal possible but would end up re-signing him. what I think we need since we have basically 2 goal scores in Matthews/Tavares we need more of a pass first guy to go along with Tavares. as we have seen don't think Tavares/Nylander work particularly well but Marner and Tavares has worked well but we would like to keep Marner/Matthews together. so I would look at a guy like Barzal for Nylander, not sure what else would need to be done to get a deal I know Barzal just signed an 8 year deal @ 9.15 million which will probably be cheaper then Nylanders 8 year deal, and NYI probably doesn't make the deal but I think that would work well for us.
I agree with you that AM and JT both benefit from a pass first guy, because we’ve seen them both benefit from MM’s passing.
But JT also has a history of driving his own line, and I don’t see why AM can’t. Now, I’m not suggesting this is JT’s niche right now, just pointing it out in favour of AM doing it if he sticks around. JT is gonna glide to the wing soon enough.
Pass first is why I endorse a soft deal for Connor Garland or a post buyout signing.
Americanadian
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Marner to CAR is the best fit I can see. They have the cap space and he fits their play style (strong defensive forwards). I'd ask for Jarvis+Morrow but I don't know if they'd do that - Jarvis is leading CAR forwards in ice time this playoffs. You'd probably have to settle for Drury, Morrow, 2023 1st which is underwhelming but it's the only realistic fit I can see.
Below are scouting reports from Scott Wheeler this year:
Morrow:
He’s an excellent transition defender who transports pucks confidently, plays boldly inside the offensive zone and possesses impressive handling skill for a defenseman. He’s an exit/entry machine who carves teams up through the neutral zone with head fakes, side steps and cuts (his skating really impresses on its edges, even if he’s not explosive). When he’s on the ice, he wants to take over and direct play in possession and does so by guiding opposing players out of his way. And on top of all of that, he’s a 6-foot-2 righty whose game defensively has taken important steps to cut back on mistakes, stay in better positioning and eliminate some bad habits that have often concerned scouts. There’s real top-four upside to Morrow if he continues to round out his game.
Drury:
Drury just keeps playing good hockey at every level (though the counting stats haven’t come at the NHL level yet, his underlying results look really promising). First, it was the USHL. Then it was the NCAA. Then it was the SHL. Then it was the AHL. He doesn’t have dynamic qualities per se but he just looks like the kind of player who is going to become a solid up-and-down-the-lineup, everyday NHL player. Drury has always been known as a driven, 200-foot centre who involves himself in the play, plays within his team’s structure without cheating, works to get the puck back and excels at moulding his game to play alongside talented wingers. But his offensive skill has also developed nicely, with above-average tools across the board as a finisher, handler and passer who can now create offense in a variety of ways. So while his game starts with a strong foundation and sound commitment to the details, there’s skill that happens in between and an approach that takes what’s given and executes.
Below are scouting reports from Scott Wheeler this year:
Morrow:
He’s an excellent transition defender who transports pucks confidently, plays boldly inside the offensive zone and possesses impressive handling skill for a defenseman. He’s an exit/entry machine who carves teams up through the neutral zone with head fakes, side steps and cuts (his skating really impresses on its edges, even if he’s not explosive). When he’s on the ice, he wants to take over and direct play in possession and does so by guiding opposing players out of his way. And on top of all of that, he’s a 6-foot-2 righty whose game defensively has taken important steps to cut back on mistakes, stay in better positioning and eliminate some bad habits that have often concerned scouts. There’s real top-four upside to Morrow if he continues to round out his game.
Drury:
Drury just keeps playing good hockey at every level (though the counting stats haven’t come at the NHL level yet, his underlying results look really promising). First, it was the USHL. Then it was the NCAA. Then it was the SHL. Then it was the AHL. He doesn’t have dynamic qualities per se but he just looks like the kind of player who is going to become a solid up-and-down-the-lineup, everyday NHL player. Drury has always been known as a driven, 200-foot centre who involves himself in the play, plays within his team’s structure without cheating, works to get the puck back and excels at moulding his game to play alongside talented wingers. But his offensive skill has also developed nicely, with above-average tools across the board as a finisher, handler and passer who can now create offense in a variety of ways. So while his game starts with a strong foundation and sound commitment to the details, there’s skill that happens in between and an approach that takes what’s given and executes.
I do agree with you but was also just thinking if Matthews is unwilling to re-sign maybe Matthews(signed) for Barzal+ would be good and you could pair up JT/Marner and Barzal/Nylander.
Sounds like the big moves are going to be GM/Coach rather than players - This was on the CJ Show FYI
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A lot of that stuff is just pure PR talk and could be interpreted a lot of different ways depending how where that information comes from. This reminds me when Marc Bergevin said flatout to reporters "I am not trading PK Subban"... wanna guess what happend weeks after?
Did Shanahan just say to the players that while there were changes to the manager that their status with the team is the same and they intend to keep them? But what happens with the new GM and those conversations change based on the players contract demands? Based on team needs? Who the hell knows what happens next week.
I would not believe or read into that stuff like it's set in stone.
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WTFMAN99
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If the consensus between the new GM and Matthews is that he won't be returning for whatever reason, why wouldn't he waive his NMC to get to his destination quicker? Obviously limits the trading options perhaps but I think it is still a possibility he gets traded after the NMC kicks in
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hamzarocks
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If marner cant bring that type of value then we are f***ed
A 100 pt winger with good defense should be attractive to pair eith Bedard
He needs to pull a blue chip prospect at min
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