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You need to target teams that have been out of the playoffs for a while but are close to breaking out I think the best fits are with teams in our division Buffalo Ottawa Detroit maybe Nashville Calgary I still look at Buffalo with Owen Power or Dylan Cozens and all those first round draft picks there could be a win win deal and to have a blanket rule to not trade in your division is stupid you trade with anyone who will make you better period
Lol Buffalo, nor any teams are giving up those pieces for Marner. Some of you are not being realistic

I keep circling back to the Rangers as good trading partners. Fox, Lindgren, Trouba, Miller, and Schneider are all quality D under the age of 30. For cap purposes though, it may have to be Trouba they're moving in a big trade.

Kappo and/or Lafreniere are forwards with upside that could be added to a deal as well (though as seen with Puljijarvi, no guarantee they improve just because they were high picks).
Lol you can't actually believe Rangers are trading fox for Marner. Jacob isn't waiving for Toronto. they aren't trading Miller or Brandon for two years of Marner and his cap.
 
To Toronto:
Andrew Mangiapane
Noah Hanifin
Chris Tanev
48th overall

To Calgary:
William Nylander
TJ Brodie
28th overall
 
Lol Buffalo, nor any teams are giving up those pieces for Marner. Some of you are not being realistic


Lol you can't actually believe Rangers are trading fox for Marner. Jacob isn't waiving for Toronto. they aren't trading Miller or Brandon for two years of Marner and his cap.
You ask for twice what you want then settle for what you actually wanted to begin with, you don't think buffalo would offer a first round pick for Marnier every team in the league would do that trade but it doesn't help Toronto. now what about 2 first or maybe all 3 of their firsts my point was the type of teams you should be looking( ready to break out) and the type of assets you would inquire about (young cost controlled with huge potential)
 
Marner for Karlsson as a basis is the play I think, but it would be complicated.

Marner is owed 16 mil over the next two years, 7.25 of which is a signing bonus on July 1.

Karlsson is owed just under 40 mil with 13 of that in signing bonuses over the next 4 years.

The gist of it would be to sell Marner for futures at 50% to someone who intends to re-sell him for profit at a sub 3mil cap hit. I’m not sure if the Subban rule applies here but the re-seller may not have to honor his NMC which would increase the value they can get out of him.

San Jose retains 25% on Karlsson and so does a 3rd party middleman. We get Karlsson at 50%, cap is pretty much even the first 2 years and then we have Karlsson at 5.75 for the next two years.

The key would be coming out of the trades ahead in terms of futures, but a 3rd party team locking up a retention slot + 10 mil cash for 4 years is probably going to be prohibitively expensive considering his cash owed is not far off his cap hit the entire way through so you can’t even get Arizona to do it to save money and reach the floor easier.

You could do this with Tavares in theory as well if he waives, would probably be more of a straight up Tavares at 75% for Karlsson at 75% and hope that Karlsson is still easily moveable at a 8.5 cap hit if things go south. San Jose can then move Tavares at 50% or less to say Colorado for a haul.

Follow up with Brodie for futures and use his cap space to bring in a Wilson/Saad tier power forward.

Knies-Matthews-Wilson
A speed line built around Nylander

McCabe-Karlsson
Rielly-Liljegren
Gio/???-Schenn

Maybe see if you can trim some fat to bring in a defensive LD for Karlsson and have McCabe-Schenn for the 3rd pair to mop up defensive zone starts. Swap Liljegren and Schenn if you want to roll 3 pairs.

It’s fine if we get worse on paper as long as we have a defined game style we commit to. A fast breakout on the backend with an aggressive forecheck can punch above its weight.
 
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Yeah I just dont see Marner getting traded, unless some other star player becomes available. Just way too hard to find a package that actually makes it worth it for the Leafs and also makes sense for the other team.

Nylander makes a lot more sense, if the Leafs want to move one of them. Way easier to actually get fair value for him.
 
Marner for Karlsson as a basis is the play I think, but it would be complicated.

Marner is owed 16 mil over the next two years, 7.25 of which is a signing bonus on July 1.

Karlsson is owed just under 40 mil with 13 of that in signing bonuses over the next 4 years.

The gist of it would be to sell Marner for futures at 50% to someone who intends to re-sell him for profit at a sub 3mil cap hit. I’m not sure if the Subban rule applies here but the re-seller may not have to honor his NMC which would increase the value they can get out of him.

San Jose retains 25% on Karlsson and so does a 3rd party middleman. We get Karlsson at 50%, cap is pretty much even the first 2 years and then we have Karlsson at 5.75 for the next two years.

The key would be coming out of the trades ahead in terms of futures, but a 3rd party team locking up a retention slot + 10 mil cash for 4 years is probably going to be prohibitively expensive considering his cash owed is not far off his cap hit the entire way through so you can’t even get Arizona to do it to save money and reach the floor easier.

You could do this with Tavares in theory as well if he waives, would probably be more of a straight up Tavares at 75% for Karlsson at 75% and hope that Karlsson is still easily moveable at a 8.5 cap hit if things go south. San Jose can then move Tavares at 50% or less to say Colorado for a haul.

Follow up with Brodie for futures and use his cap space to bring in a Wilson/Saad tier power forward.

Knies-Matthews-Wilson
A speed line built around Nylander

McCabe-Karlsson
Rielly-Liljegren
Gio/???-Schenn

Maybe see if you can trim some fat to bring in a defensive LD for Karlsson and have McCabe-Schenn for the 3rd pair to mop up defensive zone starts. Swap Liljegren and Schenn if you want to roll 3 pairs.

It’s fine if we get worse on paper as long as we have a defined game style we commit to. A fast breakout on the backend with an aggressive forecheck can punch above its weight.
Really?
 
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The new Leafs GM has a large decision to make. Do you keep Mitch Marner or do you keep William Nylander? Really, you can’t keep both. If you’re signing Matthews and you’re stuck with John Tavares for two more years, that means one of Marner or Nylander has to be traded if the viewpoint is that you can’t stick with the Core Four. Matthews should be untouchable. Tavares won’t waive his no-trade arrangement. That leaves the difficult choice between Marner and Nylander … Nylander is the more spectacular player. Marner is better all-around, especially defensively. Nylander has proven he can change a playoff game. Marner has not been able to do that. You can go back and forth on this, but one of them, really, has to goI don’t believe it’s possible, but a Marner-or-Nylander trade for Charlie McAvoy or Quinn Hughes type of player would intrigue me … Is there a coach out there who believes Nylander could play centre full time? Moving Nylander to centre and Tavares to the wing could solve at least one Toronto problem if that is doable.
 
You need to target teams that have been out of the playoffs for a while but are close to breaking out I think the best fits are with teams in our division Buffalo Ottawa Detroit maybe Nashville Calgary I still look at Buffalo with Owen Power or Dylan Cozens and all those first round draft picks there could be a win win deal and to have a blanket rule to not trade in your division is stupid you trade with anyone who will make you better period
Actually, since Marner is a UFA in 2 summers, I think playoff teams will be the teams that are more interested in paying up to acquire him. If he had a 5 or 6 year contract, teams trying to take that next step would probably be more interested.

Buffalo specifically is a bad match for trading Marner. They need a right-handed defensive D and have a lot of really good young wingers (or centers that can play wing) on their team and also coming soon. Specifically, they have Savoie, who will probably end up playing RW and is somewhat the same type of player as Marner. They're better off to spend their trade chips on adding a shutdown RD to play with Power and getting a great goalie, and letting their wingers develop.
 
can anyone explain why McAvoy keeps coming up in trade talks? Is there some news about him I’ve missed?
No idea. He's still their most untouchable D as far as I know. Lindholm being the next least available and then Carlo third least available.

Their 5 and 10 year plans for D, assuming they don't need to rebuild, would be centered around either McAvoy or Lindholm or both, and Lindholm is older.
 
Well all those Marner proposals on the main boards you guys have been making seem to be going over well.
 
I would be interested in a package around Samsonov for Forsberg+ from the sens assuming they want an upgrade in goal depending on if Samsonov is looking for the Husso contract (4.75Mx3). Forsberg is sneaky good and signed for 2.75M for 2 more years (the same amount of term Woll has left). The Leafs can run a 3.5M tandem for 2 years. I'd look for a decent add from the sens like Jarventie or Ostapchuk.
 

The new Leafs GM has a large decision to make. Do you keep Mitch Marner or do you keep William Nylander? Really, you can’t keep both. If you’re signing Matthews and you’re stuck with John Tavares for two more years, that means one of Marner or Nylander has to be traded if the viewpoint is that you can’t stick with the Core Four. Matthews should be untouchable. Tavares won’t waive his no-trade arrangement. That leaves the difficult choice between Marner and Nylander … Nylander is the more spectacular player. Marner is better all-around, especially defensively. Nylander has proven he can change a playoff game. Marner has not been able to do that. You can go back and forth on this, but one of them, really, has to goI don’t believe it’s possible, but a Marner-or-Nylander trade for Charlie McAvoy or Quinn Hughes type of player would intrigue me … Is there a coach out there who believes Nylander could play centre full time? Moving Nylander to centre and Tavares to the wing could solve at least one Toronto problem if that is doable.
Mirtle just stated that AM WILL NOT sign an extension before July 1st....TRANSLATION....
I'M GONE! Time to trade him now!
 
I would be interested in a package around Samsonov for Forsberg+ from the sens assuming they want an upgrade in goal depending on if Samsonov is looking for the Husso contract (4.75Mx3). Forsberg is sneaky good and signed for 2.75M for 2 more years (the same amount of term Woll has left). The Leafs can run a 3.5M tandem for 2 years. I'd look for a decent add from the sens like Jarventie or Ostapchuk.

You'd need a ton of faith in Woll carrying this team. Don't think that is a decision any new GM would make right now. Forsberg would certainly need to be the backup.

Samsonov - Woll is a solid tandem, at least on paper, and a Husso contract is not unreasonable for Samsonov.

He quite literally can not sign an extension before July 1st.

I found it funny at the number of posts and even articles which talk about him "signing an extension" before July 1.

Although I choose to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they mean there is a handshake deal in place.

Yes, but can he agree in principle? His NMC kicks in July 1st...

Not even sure that is technically allowed, although I am sure it happens anyways. Just like the July 1 signings that happen very quickly.
 
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You'd need a ton of faith in Woll carrying this team. Don't think that is a decision any new GM would make right now. Forsberg would certainly need to be the backup.

Samsonov - Woll is a solid tandem, at least on paper, and a Husso contract is not unreasonable for Samsonov.
I am a believer in Woll. My fear is that Woll will take over as the #1 and Samsonov will regress going forward and the Leafs will be stuck paying their backup ~5M - look at what happened to Husso. Forsberg can play 40 games for the Leafs no problem. His SV% and GSAx dropped this year but he was still an above average goalie (top 30 in GSAx/60). It would be the "safe" play to bet on the older, cheaper player while gaining an asset.
 
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Yes, but can he agree in principle? His NMC kicks in July 1st...
You can't put anything in writing before July 1st. He can realistically say, regardless of who the GM is or was going to be: "it's against the CBA to discuss my next contract prior to July 1st" and have all of the leverage. He could negotiate a contract in good faith prior to July 1st but he would be foolish to do so. His agent is smart enough to not agree to anything prior to July 1st and just wait until he has a NMC and all of the leverage.
 
You can't put anything in writing before July 1st. He can realistically say, regardless of who the GM is or was going to be: "it's against the CBA to discuss my next contract prior to July 1st" and have all of the leverage. He could negotiate a contract in good faith prior to July 1st but he would be foolish to do so. His agent is smart enough to not agree to anything prior to July 1st and just wait until he has a NMC and all of the leverage.

Not if they have been talking throughout. You think it’s never been brought up?
 
I am a believer in Woll. My fear is that Woll will take over as the #1 and Samsonov will regress going forward and the Leafs will be stuck paying their backup ~5M - look at what happened to Husso. Forsberg can play 40 games for the Leafs no problem. His SV% and GSAx dropped this year but he was still an above average goalie (top 30 in GSAx/60). It would be the "safe" play to bet on the older, cheaper player while gaining an asset.

That is a hard regression. Guess it is possible, but I think if you are that unconfident, then you just tender him an offer and only give him the one year.

And I think I would go for someone with a better track record and experience vs. Forsberg, or go for someone with the upside to take over for Woll if he faulters. Forsberg is still a major question mark and I don't think he is a good bet to take over if Woll sucks despite Forsberg's one year of success. Like go after Varlamov (for the former) or Hill (for the latter).
 
That is a hard regression. Guess it is possible, but I think if you are that unconfident, then you just tender him an offer and only give him the one year.

And I think I would go for someone with a better track record and experience vs. Forsberg, or go for someone with the upside to take over for Woll if he faulters. Forsberg is still a major question mark and I don't think he is a good bet to take over if Woll sucks despite Forsberg's one year of success. Like go after Varlamov (for the former) or Hill (for the latter).
I'd rather they cash out on Samsonov at his peak value than sign him to a 1 year deal and walk him to UFA.

As far as going UFA - that is a fine option. I am a believer in Hill - I wanted him last summer. I'd love if they signed Hill and moved Samsonov for a significant asset.

Not if they have been talking throughout. You think it’s never been brought up?
I'd hope Dubas brought it up. Auston and his agent can say whatever they want to get to July 1st though.
 
I'd rather they cash out on Samsonov at his peak value than sign him to a 1 year deal and walk him to UFA.

As far as going UFA - that is a fine option. I am a believer in Hill - I wanted him last summer. I'd love if they signed Hill and moved Samsonov for a significant asset.


I'd hope Dubas brought it up. Auston and his agent can say whatever they want to get to July 1st though.

Everything goes through the board and shanny.

You think they don’t know what was discussed? Auston had exit meetings

If they just stop talking it’s over
 
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