Poll: If you had to decide now: Would you extend Kyle Dubas or let him walk ?

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If you had to make a decision on Kyle Dubas right now, would you extend him or let him walk?


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Well I was implying who is going to score in the playoffs, however we are more than 60 but far less than 100. I see one error I made was counting Bunting as the big 4. Lol. You know the guy many hated on last game. Our 5th highest scorer incidentally and making less than 1 million.. total might be 75 without the big 4. My mistake. Nevertheless I still believe the big 4 will have to score 3 goals per game, after all we averaged 3.5 goals per game last playoff and we lost. We may get a goal a game from the team other than the big 4.
I don't think the big 4 will have to score 3 per game. That would equate to 248 goals over an 82 game season for the big 4, I think we can get by with a bit less than that. I get your overall point, it's just that the numbers don't quite add up. We'll see what happens in the playoffs.

How anybody can look at the resume of the man who has been general manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs for the past five years and be impressed is beyond me.

It absolutely boggles my mind that five years of this buffonery later and there are STILL people supporting him.

What has he done?

Seriously. I really want to know. What has he done?

He brought in a bunch of cruddy defensemen, so many in fact, they can't even roster them all.

Whoop-dee freaking doo.

The team was going out in the first round just fine when they had Hainsey, Ceci, and Barrie.

How many free passes does this guy get?

I am flabbergasted, blown away, by the fact Tanenbaum allowed this to continue as long as it has. This is unacceptable and the fans should be furious, outraged, that there is a very real risk of losing Matthews to free agency. Only an incompetent fool would allow a lame duck GM like Kyle Dubas to remain in charge when the most important contract in Maple Leafs history needs to be re-negotiated.

Dubas was a failed player agent. RED FLAG!!! Maybe, just maybe, Kyle Dubas can't negotiate a contract.

When Dubas goes into the room to negotiate he has calculators, spreadsheets, and analyst reports in his briefcase.

When the agents go into the room to negotiate they have duct tape, zip ties, and Vaseline in theirs.

This is what five years of "we can and we will" has dissolved into: hoping the team wins a single playoffs series round before the Matthews contract expires.

Given they went all-in and blew all those assets, I'm going to suggest a single playoffs series round doesn't cut it. At this point, if the team doesn't make it to the cup finals, Dubas should be pounding pavement looking for a new job as soon as the final buzzer goes. Two feet and a heartbeat just like the rest of us working class slobs. Shanahan and Keefe can go with him too.

Keefe especially looks like he could use the exercise.
He brought in Muzzin, Brodie, Giordano and now McCabe. If that's your idea of cruddy then ... well, in case you're wondering at what point I stopped reading, that was it.

Why wouldn't you add back O'Rielly (15), Acciari (11), Lafferty (10) goals back into to your math equation? That's an additional 36 goals?!!
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LeBrun was saying on Overdrive earlier that he has no inside knowledge as far as the Leafs go, as to whether or not they are going to sign Dubas to an extension or not. Still thinks it's dependent on our playoff results.

But he said from talking to other GMs around the league, they think Leafs brass would be stupid not to resign him.
 
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LeBrun was saying on Overdrive earlier that he has no inside knowledge as far as the Leafs go, as to whether or not they are going to sign Dubas to an extension or not. Still thinks it's dependent on our playoff results.

But he said from talking to other GMs around the league, they think Leafs brass would be stupid not to resign him.
my Habs and Bruins buddies also think it would be stupid not to re-sign him as well
 
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LeBrun was saying on Overdrive earlier that he has no inside knowledge as far as the Leafs go, as to whether or not they are going to sign Dubas to an extension or not. Still thinks it's dependent on our playoff results.

But he said from talking to other GMs around the league, they think Leafs brass would be stupid not to resign him.
Yup. The people here who think Dubas will never get another GM job in the NHL are clueless.
 
I don't think the big 4 will have to score 3 per game. That would equate to 248 goals over an 82 game season for the big 4, I think we can get by with a bit less than that. I get your overall point, it's just that the numbers don't quite add up. We'll see what happens in the playoffs.


He brought in Muzzin, Brodie, Giordano and now McCabe. If that's your idea of cruddy then ... well, in case you're wondering at what point I stopped reading, that was it.


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So what have Muzzin, Brodie, Giordano, and McCabe done that Gardiner, Hainsey, Barrie, and Ceci hadn't already accomplished?

Nothing.

Are you seriously trying to tell me these guys that have accomplished nothing are better than the group that accomplished nothing under Babcock?

Because.they all accomplished the exact same thing: nothing.

Maybe I set the bar too high. Expecting a playoffs series win from this so-called better group of defensemen. Maybe I should be satisfied with a few more points at the end of the regular season.

Said no fan ever.

Why would they? It would never cross their mind. Nobody dreams about seeing their favourite team end the year with a few more points in the regular season.

It's particularly distasteful to ask the fans to be satisfied with these record breaking seasons when they still haven't even won the President's Cup. Let lone the Division itself.

The best regular season records in the teams history and they STILL didn't win a damn thing.
 
As someone who's listened to Kyle Dubas' press bytes since his hiring with the Leafs, I've been bombarded with this concept called Recency Bias , so let me just say, maybe we shouldn't let the most recent trade deadline cloud the overall body of work from Kyle Dubas so far:

0 playoff round wins, over 5 years as General Manager.

Zero. With an absolute treasure mound of draft capital turned players (Nylander, Marner, Matthews) and cap-space at his disposal.

Yeah sorry, we're not signing any contract for a proven-loser until it's shown otherwise.

Thank f***ing heavens MLSE is owned by big Telecom companies who use real metrics for performance.

I'm sure they figured one out for hockey called, playoff round wins, that they're now honing in on when it comes to this wannabe's "performance".
 
Cliff Fletcher and Ron Wilson could have achieved same results. They would not be as sexy as Dubie. But in the end... Trading away Steen = trading away Kadri.

6 years of Dubas and no player on current roster drafted by Leafs beyond 1 round. None. You can't have depth without successful drafting and developing. And no depth, no glory. Look at Boston: tons of late round picks converted into NHL players. Pre-Dubas Leafs had more success in this area.

And quoting talking heads to support your opinion is just stupid. It's not that difficult to influence press. One hand washes the other.
 
So what have Muzzin, Brodie, Giordano, and McCabe done that Gardiner, Hainsey, Barrie, and Ceci hadn't already accomplished?

Nothing.

Are you seriously trying to tell me these guys that have accomplished nothing are better than the group that accomplished nothing under Babcock?

Because.they all accomplished the exact same thing: nothing.

Maybe I set the bar too high. Expecting a playoffs series win from this so-called better group of defensemen. Maybe I should be satisfied with a few more points at the end of the regular season.

Said no fan ever.

Why would they? It would never cross their mind. Nobody dreams about seeing their favourite team end the year with a few more points in the regular season.

It's particularly distasteful to ask the fans to be satisfied with these record breaking seasons when they still haven't even won the President's Cup. Let lone the Division itself.

The best regular season records in the teams history and they STILL didn't win a damn thing.
MLSE is all about money
And people are lining up
They love it
👏
 
LeBrun was saying on Overdrive earlier that he has no inside knowledge as far as the Leafs go, as to whether or not they are going to sign Dubas to an extension or not. Still thinks it's dependent on our playoff results.

But he said from talking to other GMs around the league, they think Leafs brass would be stupid not to resign him.
Ya I would expect our direct competitors to want him resigned by us……makes their job of beating us in the playoffs easier
 
Dubas would absolutely get some kind of job with another organization. Chuck Fletcher, Chiarelli and Bergevin got hired. They'll hire anyone.

Christ, even Dubas got a gig in the league.
 
LeBrun was saying on Overdrive earlier that he has no inside knowledge as far as the Leafs go, as to whether or not they are going to sign Dubas to an extension or not. Still thinks it's dependent on our playoff results.

But he said from talking to other GMs around the league, they think Leafs brass would be stupid not to resign him.
That's because he's right.

Dubas built a decent enough of a prospect pool, didn't trade futures when the team sucked (the 2019-20 season), did when the team was good, got quality players for us with a pandemic cap freeze. We're about the enter the post-COVID cap era again and we have 0 players on on true boat anchor contracts.
 
So what have Muzzin, Brodie, Giordano, and McCabe done that Gardiner, Hainsey, Barrie, and Ceci hadn't already accomplished?

Nothing.

Are you seriously trying to tell me these guys that have accomplished nothing are better than the group that accomplished nothing under Babcock?

Because.they all accomplished the exact same thing: nothing.


Maybe I set the bar too high. Expecting a playoffs series win from this so-called better group of defensemen. Maybe I should be satisfied with a few more points at the end of the regular season.

Said no fan ever.

Why would they? It would never cross their mind. Nobody dreams about seeing their favourite team end the year with a few more points in the regular season.

It's particularly distasteful to ask the fans to be satisfied with these record breaking seasons when they still haven't even won the President's Cup. Let lone the Division itself.

The best regular season records in the teams history and they STILL didn't win a damn thing.
What they've accomplished is they've played better, much better in fact and as a result the team is much, much better defensively. You called them "cruddy", they're far from cruddy and calling them that is insulting.

Your argument seems to be that they haven't won anything. By that logic they're all cruddy, Matthews, Marner, Nylander, every player on the team, Keefe, Dubas, Shanahan, the guys that hired Shanahan, all of them. If that's what you think then any discussion with you is pointless.

As far as asking you to be satisfied with these "record breaking seasons", stop quoting me and spewing this nonsense. I'm not satisfied, I never asked you or anyone else to be satisfied, I want playoff success and I think the people bragging about record breaking Novembers, or point streaks or whatever else are embarrassing themselves. I don't think that justifies labelling good players "cruddy" though which was what my post said to begin with.
 
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Dubas era reminds me of Ferguson Jr times. This is not the first time they are selling us "young up-and-coming manager" BS.

Ferguson got rid of Pat Quinn and hired his man Maurice. Dubas did the same with Babcock and Keefe.

Same coup. All "for the sake of progress". What a circus.
 
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Dubas era reminds me of Ferguson Jr times. This is not the first time they are selling us "young up-and-coming manager" BS.

Ferguson got rid of Pat Quinn and hired his man Maurice. Dubas did the same with Babcock and Keefe.

Same coup. All "for the sake of progress". What a circus.
I guess it was about 15 years ago, management was so bad there were online protests even small demonstrations in front of the ACC, fans with posters basically saying, hey aholes do not trade our 1st picks. I see we have come full circle, some things never change.
 
Dubas era reminds me of Ferguson Jr times. This is not the first time they are selling us "young up-and-coming manager" BS.

Ferguson got rid of Pat Quinn and hired his man Maurice. Dubas did the same with Babcock and Keefe.

Same coup. All "for the sake of progress". What a circus.

If you're comparing the JFJ era to the Dubas era and not realizing the very obvious difference you need to stop watching sports.
 
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The problem with here is, he's already made all of his mistakes and they are still costing the team. Which of course, comes with development like any rookie. So at this point, you may as well extend him because he has learned from his mistakes and the damage has been done. However, would I resign him? No I wouldn't.
 
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If you're comparing the JFJ era to the Dubas era and not realizing the very obvious difference you need to stop watching sports.
Leafs actually won one playoff round in the John Ferguson Jr era. I can't compare him to Dubas. Sorry. You are right.
The end of both reigns will be the same though. Country club culture problem, trading away lazy stars and so on.
And I stopped watching. Not sports though, but Leaf hockey. I watched last full Leaf game just before Columbus fiasco. I understood that current team can't beat anybody in the playoffs and it was it for me.
 
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Dubas would absolutely get some kind of job with another organization. Chuck Fletcher, Chiarelli and Bergevin got hired. They'll hire anyone.

Christ, even Dubas got a gig in the league.
Well it sure wouldn’t be goalie evaluator

I guess it was about 15 years ago, management was so bad there were online protests even small demonstrations in front of the ACC, fans with posters basically saying, hey aholes do not trade our 1st picks. I see we have come full circle, some things never change.
Winning would change things
 
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MLSE is all about money
And people are lining up
They love it
They wouldn’t be spending more cash than any other team in areas outside the Cap, if they wanted every penny. For example not too many years ago didn’t we have 5 x GM’s on staff at the same time? Lol! Now if you said MLSE was incompetent, I’d agree to that.
 
The high of the trade deadline has passed. I think the team is at a place little different than last season when the 1st round match up felt like a toss up. McCabe is in place of Muzzin, Schenn is in place of Lybushkin, the goaltending is pretty decent but the opponent has a stud in goal. The bottom half of the forward lines is better on paper but this year Matthews isn't a Rocket Richard candidate for whatever reason.

In reality if they win that 1st round series, Shanahan stays and he gets an extension offer. IMO a single series should not be enough. It will have taken a lot of over-extending at the trade deadline just to get that 1 series win. The longer term of the past 5 seasons have to factor in. Nothing short of a conference final appearance (with a competitive showing in that series) should save Shanahan et al. This was supposed to be a championship caliber roster for the past 5 seasons, one measly series win doesn't cut it.
 

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