Poll: If you had to decide now: Would you extend Kyle Dubas or let him walk ?

[Gary Nylund]

Sorry but this isn’t a try League its a win league. If it works out awesome if it doesn’t and that’s the best he can do he’s just not good enough and needs replacing

So following this logic, how many GM's should be fired after this season, 15 or 31?

 

[Gary Nylund]

I guess we'll find out if the changes Dubas made were good enough when the playoffs arrive. The fact is at least he tried to address the perceived areas of the team that he felt needed the most improvement and that's the best he can do. Maybe the players he brought in work out and maybe they don't, but the thing is he tried to give his team the best chance to win.

The Rangers, Devils, Tampa and Boston also made significant improvements to their team and gave up a portion of their future to do so. Including the Leafs only 1 out of these 5 teams are going to make it out of the East so does this mean all those other teams made the wrong moves as well because they didn't go all the way? Heck maybe the Canes making hardly any big moves beats them all and everything the other teams did was truly for nothing I suppose.

Dubas is damned if he is and damned if he doesn't. Make changes and lose and get criticised for giving away the future for nothing and/or not doing enough. Don't make changes and have other people complain that he didn't do anything to help the team while other teams in the East improved significantly. I think the moves that Dubas this trade deadline is mostly good where he tried to improve the team without completely using up picks/prospects to do so.

Could be. I hate rentals and I'm a big fan of the Carolina approach.

 

[Confucius]

I really liked what Dubas has done past 2 weeks. Amazing how many leafs fans were calling for these types of changes for last 3 years

He finally came around to make those changes

Most leafs fans wanted to have tougher bottom 6
Few tough D at the back end

Most of them wanted Simmonds out for ever. At least I did

He finally came to realize you can't win with players like Malgin, Petan, Brooks, Boyd, barabanov, gallychenuk

Not that I am claiming leafs have already won the stanly cup but this team looks more legit than any of his teams

He eventually did the right things, after he tried everything else and 3 years too late

I still think these leafs will go to the Finals. I didn't feel that way about any team last 6 years

If he gets fired then he only has himself to blame. He hired the coach and he assembled the team. He got his way for past 4 years

If you had started off with the Leafs are going to the finals, I would have skipped the rest of the post. Lol

We aren’t getting by Boston and Tampa is a coin flip, but I do like your optimism.

 

[killer1980]

It is highly doubtful that Dubas had anything to do with the recent moves. He has stated over and over ad naseum that he was a proponent of the skilled player not the bump and grinders. We have had to get our hopes up with the regular season excellence for his entire tenure. Suddenly, we see the kind of players that we have been sreaming for for years. This has Shanahan's handiwork all over it.

 

[Racer88]

So following this logic, how many GM's should be fired after this season, 15 or 31?

Nope just the 1 that has spent 50% of the cap on 4 forwards and has failed to win in the playoffs year after year. The one who treats goal tending as an afterthought and routinely pick his goalies from the crap heap……..I could go on and on but I think you get my point

 

[Racer88]

So following this logic, how many GM's should be fired after this season, 15 or 31?

How many more years of failure are you prepared to stand by Dubas

 

[hotpaws]

How many more years of failure are you prepared to stand by Dubas

he probably doesn't believe Dubas has ever failed

 

[Racer88]

he probably doesn't believe Dubas has ever failed

True

 

[jackflash]

Cheers Fahad

 

[hullsy47]

So following this logic, how many GM's should be fired after this season, 15 or 31?

It's been pointed out that dubas has maybe the highest operating budget in hockey yet he hasn't won anything
He would be very challenged to run a team like Steve Yzerman or maybe Bill Armstrong
I don't think dubas get hired in a heartbeat unless it's to a team that get Connor Bedard

 

[keonsbitterness]

The premise of this thread is dumb. The time to decide is a few months from now, not today.

 

[TMLAM34]

Dubas will definitely get scooped up by another franchise if he’s let go this off-season.

He’s definitely learned along the way and his first couple years weren’t the best throwing all his eggs in the core 4s basket. But he’s learned and gotten better since.

Ultimately it’ll come down to playoff results. If we loose again in the first round, I wouldn’t be against keeping Dubas still but other changes will be needed such as replacing Keefe.

 

[mapleleaf979]

Dubas will definitely get scooped up by another franchise if he’s let go this off-season.

He’s definitely learned along the way and his first couple years weren’t the best throwing all his eggs in the core 4s basket. But he’s learned and gotten better since.

Ultimately it’ll come down to playoff results. If we loose again in the first round, I wouldn’t be against keeping Dubas still but other changes will be needed such as replacing Keefe.

How has he gotten better? Look at prospects, they dont exist, either do draft picks, first round wins, Reilly contract is a mistake, Tavares over Kadri and the extra 6.5 million to pay Tavares was a massive mistake, his assets from the Kadri trade were a disaster, goaltending is a revolving door, d-core is the softest in the league.

 

[TMLAM34]

How has he gotten better? Look at prospects, they dont exist, either do draft picks, first round wins, Reilly contract is a mistake, Tavares over Kadri and the extra 6.5 million to pay Tavares was a massive mistake, his assets from the Kadri trade were a disaster, goaltending is a revolving door, d-core is the softest in the league.

Signing Tavares and then trading Kadri were early on.

We actually have some pretty good prospects in Knies, Niemela, Robertson, Holmberg, Hirvonen, Hildeby, Voit, Peksa, Tverberg, Moldenhauer and Grebyonkin.

Our blueline has definitely beefed up with the additions of McCabe and Schenn.

I’m not a huge fan of Dubas but to say he hasn’t improved over the years is definitely not correct. If he were to be fired this off-season, whoever the next GM is will have a pretty good foundation already built for him and a lot to work with.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Nope just the 1 that has spent 50% of the cap on 4 forwards and has failed to win in the playoffs year after year. The one who treats goal tending as an afterthought and routinely pick his goalies from the crap heap……..I could go on and on but I think you get my point

So the team is 4th overall, the playoffs have yet to begin and your position is that Dubas is the only GM that should be fired. Interesting perspective.

How many more years of failure are you prepared to stand by Dubas

I don't "stand by" anyone, I try to be objective and see both the good and the bad.

It's been pointed out that dubas has maybe the highest operating budget in hockey yet he hasn't won anything
He would be very challenged to run a team like Steve Yzerman or maybe Bill Armstrong
I don't think dubas get hired in a heartbeat unless it's to a team that get Connor Bedard

Not sure how much money spent on things outside the cap helps. My guess is that the tax laws some states have enabling them to effectively pay their players more money than we are able to do are much more of a factor and since you mentioned Yzerman, I'll mention him as well as being one of the biggest beneficiaries of this. As for him getting hired in a heartbeat, I think hiring GM's takes a bit of time - it's not like there are always open positions to be had. Too early to speculate on that anyways, he's still has a job and it's not a given he won't be extended here.

 

[the squared circle]

Really surprised at the poll results. Wow.

 

[ULF_55]

Due to coaching I chose let him walk.

At this point ...

But that is subject to change depending on the outcome of the 1st. round.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Due to coaching I chose let him walk.

At this point ...

But that is subject to change depending on the outcome of the 1st. round.

That's fair. I mean if the playoffs are yet another failure and the GM's stance is that he wants no major personnel changes and not even a coaching change, I don't see you can keep him on.

 

[Confucius]

The premise of this thread is dumb. The time to decide is a few months from now, not today.

The fun part is the speculation. If you have the thread after the results of the season are in everyone says yeah sure in hindsight it was the correct decision. Easy to say should have extended Dubas after the team wins a Cup. Or should have let him walk is an easy position to take if they get swept 4 straight in the 1st round. No fun in waiting. Lol!

 

[Gary Nylund]

The fun part is the speculation. If you have the thread after the results of the season are in everyone says yeah sure in hindsight it was the correct decision. Easy to say should have extended Dubas after the team wins a Cup. Or should have let him walk is an easy position to take if they get swept 4 straight in the 1st round. No fun in waiting. Lol!

Used to be more fun than it is now.

 

[Ciao]

I would extend Dubas, but I think he's toast.

Massive error of judgment at the TDL. He got carried away. You can't rotate in 6/18 skaters and get better quick, unless the new guys are a massive improvement over the old guys, which they aren't.

Ryan O'Reilly is fine, and Luke Schenn would be an improvement over Jordie Benn as the 8th defenceman.

Acciari is okay, too, and is probably enough of an immediate upgrade over Holmberg or whichever rota-player the Leafs would have used to centre the fourth line to justify the roster disruption and the acquisition cost.

If those were the only changes that might have been enough.

Jake McCabe is a "maybe" in my books. I don't know that he really is a top-four defenceman, of the kind the Leafs need for the playoffs. However, ignoring the acquisition cost he might be a suitable replacement for Holl next season and the season after that. I kind of suspect that having both Holl and McCabe could be six of one and half a dozen of the other, with neither enough of real improvement over the other to justify the acquisition cost and the disruption to the roster. I'll be a bit surprised if Leafs' Nation weren't already tired of McCabe after the first or second round, and certainly by this time next year.

Sam Lafferty looks like a dead loss to me. I don't know what he's shown with Pittsburgh, Chicago or the Leafs that makes him a marked improvement over Pierre Engvall, because I'm just not seeing it.

I think the Leafs could have done without the McCabe & Lafferty trade entirely.

It beats me what they do with Erik Gustafsson either. All I can say is if he's on the ice then the Leafs are in trouble.

Ditto for Rasmus Sandin, and I don't mind at all seeing the backside of him and his agent, Lewis Gross. He could be a good left-winger, but he's not capable of defending against Tampa or Boston in this year's playoffs, and he would be out the door soon anyway. If he were here that long, his next contract negotiation would be drama upon drama, and I won't miss that.

However, too many defencemen -- without a clear upgrade -- and too few forwards is a tricky combination.

I'm very doubtful the Leafs get out of the first round, and it wouldn't even surprise me if they were swept. They look like a bunch of prospects in training camp, not a cohesive contender.

Prove me wrong.

Dubas can't survive that here, but he will succeed somewhere if not in Toronto.

 

[Trapper]

If you are going to change Dubas in the summer there needs to be a clear upgrade in mind. Otherwise what are you doing? These players (the core) have been molded into the Dubas/Shanahan philosophy. It might not be so easy to change with the current build. If your stars aren’t playoff friendly, then how much does a new GM change things with the same guys driving the bus.

We need to see some playoff success from the core more than a GM.

 

[GQS]

Sorry but this isn’t a try League its a win league. If it works out awesome if it doesn’t and that’s the best he can do he’s just not good enough and needs replacing

Every year every team is 'trying' to win the cup and only one will succeed. That's what sports is all about. Your management putting your team in the best position possible to win and then your coaching and players getting the job done in each game. What more can you do?

The Bruins are far and away the best team this season and have seemingly done very good with getting Orlov, Hathaway and Bertuzzi, but the Stanley Cup playoffs being what they are there's always the possibility of them getting knocked out in the first round. Then what? Does that mean they didn't 'do enough' or just that it means that the playoffs are unpredicatable and that nothing is for sure?

Could be. I hate rentals and I'm a big fan of the Carolina approach.

Well at least Dubas got McCabe and Lafferty with some term. And there's always a chance that O'Reilly and/or Acciari will choose to re-sign assuming the Leafs feel they played well enough for an extension.

 

[thewave]

It's been pointed out that dubas has maybe the highest operating budget in hockey yet he hasn't won anything
He would be very challenged to run a team like Steve Yzerman or maybe Bill Armstrong
I don't think dubas get hired in a heartbeat unless it's to a team that get Connor Bedard

I will be shocked if he ever makes GM of an NHL franchise again. Perhaps if the team wins it this year. Outside that he is pretty much the NHL's very own Sam Bankman-Fried.

 

[hullsy47]

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I will be shocked if he ever makes GM of an NHL franchise again. Perhaps if the team wins it this year. Outside that he is pretty much the NHL's very own Sam Bankman-Fried.

Well.he can't just jeep paying guys 40 %,raises
He gave Ufa contracts to restricted free agents
How the hell could he do that in a smaller Market
He is very flawed