Poll: If you had to decide now: Would you extend Kyle Dubas or let him walk ?

[TonsofPuppies]

Dubas should have gutted this core years ago. Once again, he's done everything to help the team... except address the actual issue. The core players really showed how much they appreciate Dubas going to bat for them tonight with their performance in Edmonton - an all too familiar theme. Trading for bottom 6 forwards and depth defensemen when you have a gutless, passionless, disinterested, overpaid core is like shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic. It's amazing to me that after all these years he hasn't figured it out, nor have most of the posters here either.

 

[Niagara Bill]

It appears he has been wrong about the heart of this team, he keeps trying to give it heart but you cannot force your star to accept. Sorry Dubas, you must pay for the judgement.

 

[tokyoite]

you're out of luck dubas.

 

[geo25]

It appears he has been wrong about the heart of this team, he keeps trying to give it heart but you cannot force your star to accept. Sorry Dubas, you must pay for the judgement.



He bet his career on his core and stubbornly stuck to it. The 'WE CAN AND WE WILL ' coddling to his player's philosophy never sat well with me. As a GM your mandate should be to get the BEST coach available...what does he do? Gets his buddy...a rookie without actually interviewing other candidates! This team is very flawed. Dubas must see it now and is in damage control mode...but its too little too late. I would can them all & disband the core 4 as I seriously doubt they will advance even 1 round.No team leader, no guts,no coach and no determination....hope I am wrong. The whole situation is baffling...

He bet his career on his core and stubbornly stuck to it. The 'WE CAN AND WE WILL ' coddling to his player's philosophy never sat well with me. As a GM your mandate should be to get the BEST coach available...what does he do? Gets his buddy...a rookie without actually interviewing other candidates! This team is very flawed. Dubas must see it now and is in damage control mode...but its too little too late. I would can them all & disband the core 4 as I seriously doubt they will advance even 1 round.No team leader, no guts,no coach and no determination....hope I am wrong. The whole situation is baffling...

 

[Havoc]

It's an easy let him walk for me.

I stopped roasting him immaturely because I think the O'Reilly trade was amazing, but I have no doubt any other team would have both O'Reilly and Kane on their team right now based on the packages and cap retentions and availability of the players to the team.

Look, it's simple. Support players are pretty much dead even. It comes down to whose willing to take some pain in the playoffs and elevate their game. Engvall is a good example of someone who isn't so we had to let him go.

The point is, Rangers went to the lottery team and plucked out their game changer superstar. Leafs went to the lottery team, passed on the superstar that chose Leafs as one of his top 2 remaining destinations, and took the support players from the lottery team.

Logic 101 says you can't finish your team off by browsing the worse teams in the league and adding their depth guys. You are supposed to take the highest value guys from lottery teams. Even a middle of the pack team like Nashville is coveted for Jeannot Niederreiter etc.

This GM does not have any killer instinct. Rangers were presented with both Tarasenko and Kane and ended up with both Tarasenko and Kane. Tampa has negative 5 billion draft picks left but somehow always end up with amazing additions that put them above us in a lot of areas.

This GM does some good things here and there, but based on the head start he was given with one of the best cores in the league, the accumulation of everything today is a fail if we don't make some noise in the playoffs this year.

Imagine going into 3rd periods with Kane added to your team. We took f***ing (I tried to hold the mature level as long as possible for Scooblander, I've reached my limit) Jake McCabe and Lafferty believing it makes us some team you should envy for how deep we are......That's not how things work today.

2 days left for Dubas to change my mind.

edit - I didn't touch on his failure to offset the loss of Muzzin (he had all summer and all season to do this, Muzzin has been RIP for a while) because he has 2 more days to do so.

 

[hullsy47]

Extend in a heart beat. His good outweighs the few bad decisions that he has made

Only if he can fire Keefe.

 

[ACC1224]

It's an easy let him walk for me.

I stopped roasting him immaturely because I think the O'Reilly trade was amazing, but I have no doubt any other team would have both O'Reilly and Kane on their team right now based on the packages and cap retentions and availability of the players to the team.

Look, it's simple. Support players are pretty much dead even. It comes down to whose willing to take some pain in the playoffs and elevate their game. Engvall is a good example of someone who isn't so we had to let him go.

The point is, Rangers went to the lottery team and plucked out their game changer superstar. Leafs went to the lottery team, passed on the superstar that chose Leafs as one of his top 2 remaining destinations, and took the support players from the lottery team.

Logic 101 says you can't finish your team off by browsing the worse teams in the league and adding their depth guys. You are supposed to take the highest value guys from lottery teams. Even a middle of the pack team like Nashville is coveted for Jeannot Niederreiter etc.

This GM does not have any killer instinct. Rangers were presented with both Tarasenko and Kane and ended up with both Tarasenko and Kane. Tampa has negative 5 billion draft picks left but somehow always end up with amazing additions that put them above us in a lot of areas.

This GM does some good things here and there, but based on the head start he was given with one of the best cores in the league, the accumulation of everything today is a fail if we don't make some noise in the playoffs this year.

Imagine going into 3rd periods with Kane added to your team. We took f***ing (I tried to hold the mature level as long as possible for Scooblander, I've reached my limit) Jake McCabe and Lafferty believing it makes us some team you should envy for how deep we are......That's not how things work today.

2 days left for Dubas to change my mind.

edit - I didn't touch on his failure to offset the loss of Muzzin (he had all summer and all season to do this, Muzzin has been RIP for a while) because he has 2 more days to do so.

Kane = NMC.
NMC = Player can choose his destination

Unless Kane said he wanted to come here and Dubas passed on him, it’s pretty silly to blame him for Kane becoming a Ranger.

 

[Racer88]

u gotta sleep on this one

You mean like the team did tonight. Lol

 

[The Masters]

You mean like the team did tonight. Lol

it happens , sleep it off

 

[Apex Predator]

It is what it is last night. Stars no showed. Not the first time and won’t be the last. I am leaning towards giving him an extension but want to see how the playoffs go. He’s done everything to help the core. I know people are going to say goaltending has been great this year but I do worry about it. If they do lose again it could come down to our goaltending. Hope it doesn’t.

 

[Zur En Arrh]

I would extend him, no brianer. The kid has done everything he could since he got here to help us win. I've never seen him make a move that does not have a reason or theory behind it. When it does not work he moves in another direction. I highly suspect shanny and him collaborate on everything and do nothing but eat sleep and dream this team. I mean the kid has done everything but put on skates and stand in front of the net. It's reAlly hard to fault him.. Sure some stinker moves but he always pivots and moves in a better direction. Kids a good gm..it's really on matthews, marner, nylander and Tavares now. Rielly too. Go get that cup ya fooken beauties!!

 

[Gary Nylund]

I would extend him, no brianer. The kid has done everything he could since he got here to help us win. I've never seen him make a move that does not have a reason or theory behind it. When it does not work he moves in another direction. I highly suspect shanny and him collaborate on everything and do nothing but eat sleep and dream this team. I mean the kid has done everything but put on skates and stand in front of the net. It's reAlly hard to fault him.. Sure some stinker moves but he always pivots and moves in a better direction. Kids a good gm..it's really on matthews, marner, nylander and Tavares now. Rielly too. Go get that cup ya fooken beauties!!

I agree. Most of the whining about Dubas is nutso. On one hand you have people saying the team has done nothing, he was handed a great core and hasn't been able to improve on playoff results. Then other say that it's his fault for not recognizing that the core is rotten, mind you they never say which of the core pieces are rotten but you can't have it both ways, either it's a good core or it isn't so the whiners should make up their mind.

Fine line between winning and losing. Run the last 5 playoffs over 100 times and we'd win our share, hopefully the tide turns this season.

 

[ALine]

I really hope you aren't trying to tell me Michael Bunting is a better player than Meier.

If O'Reilly ends up as 3C, as he probably will, was it worth the price of admission bringing him in?


He can't do it alone.

Even though he almost did in Ottawa, bringing them to a conference finals, largely because of his outstanding play.

Why are you bringing up Bunting? We were talking about Nylander.
You know, the guy you proposed to trade for Meier, which is arguably a downgrade, and will cost over 3mil more on the cap to keep for next season. And we somehow just get the highest paid boat anchor dman in the league in Karlsson with that too

What were you even picturing as a deal here. Nylander for Meier+karlsson ? What kind of picks or prospects are you willing to add?
Half to add kerfoot for sure for salary. Even higher price now. And probably Holl and Liljegren too. Keep adding to that price. And all of these add only work if SJ is willing to retain 50%. Whatever picks/prospects you were willing to include, now you’ve just doubled it.

Maybe we can keep Liljegren if we get a third team to retain another 25%.
This one deal probably costs more than all leafs deals this year combined. And what to we get. A rental downgrade in wing and karlsson for the next 4 years. Until he’s 36.
That conference final run happened when he was 26

That worth the price of admission for you?

 

[LeafGrief]

It's an easy let him walk for me.

I stopped roasting him immaturely because I think the O'Reilly trade was amazing, but I have no doubt any other team would have both O'Reilly and Kane on their team right now based on the packages and cap retentions and availability of the players to the team.

Look, it's simple. Support players are pretty much dead even. It comes down to whose willing to take some pain in the playoffs and elevate their game. Engvall is a good example of someone who isn't so we had to let him go.

The point is, Rangers went to the lottery team and plucked out their game changer superstar. Leafs went to the lottery team, passed on the superstar that chose Leafs as one of his top 2 remaining destinations, and took the support players from the lottery team.

Logic 101 says you can't finish your team off by browsing the worse teams in the league and adding their depth guys. You are supposed to take the highest value guys from lottery teams. Even a middle of the pack team like Nashville is coveted for Jeannot Niederreiter etc.

This GM does not have any killer instinct. Rangers were presented with both Tarasenko and Kane and ended up with both Tarasenko and Kane. Tampa has negative 5 billion draft picks left but somehow always end up with amazing additions that put them above us in a lot of areas.

This GM does some good things here and there, but based on the head start he was given with one of the best cores in the league, the accumulation of everything today is a fail if we don't make some noise in the playoffs this year.

Imagine going into 3rd periods with Kane added to your team. We took f***ing (I tried to hold the mature level as long as possible for Scooblander, I've reached my limit) Jake McCabe and Lafferty believing it makes us some team you should envy for how deep we are......That's not how things work today.

2 days left for Dubas to change my mind.

edit - I didn't touch on his failure to offset the loss of Muzzin (he had all summer and all season to do this, Muzzin has been RIP for a while) because he has 2 more days to do so.

Every year Tampa adds depth guys. How do Coleman, Goodrow, Jeannot, Hagel, and Paul compare to Tarasenko and Kane? Colorado added depth guys last year. Boston's big splashes were Orlov and Bertuzzi.

All of the top teams who actually win stuff seem to prioritize depth and fit. Maybe the Rags will strike gold with two big talents as rentals, but "Logic 101" really has nothing to do with your post. What you've written is what you wanted to see and has nothing to do with logic or the reality of what successful organizations actually do.

We've spent the last six years going into the third periods with Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner, John Tavares, and William f***ing Nylander, and we've come up empty handed every year. Yet another star player is the answer? Uh, okay. Like, Tampa is right there and their trade history is available for everyone to see. When a team has elite talent in house, which we do, you add depth. QED.

Your post simply falls apart with the inconsistency of praising Tampa for Jeannot tbh. He's got 5 goals this year and a career high of 24g/41p, he's the definition of quality depth, a support player from a lottery team.

 

[Felix the Cat Potvin]

I agree. Most of the whining about Dubas is nutso. On one hand you have people saying the team has done nothing, he was handed a great core and hasn't been able to improve on playoff results. Then other say that it's his fault for not recognizing that the core is rotten, mind you they never say which of the core pieces are rotten but you can't have it both ways, either it's a good core or it isn't so the whiners should make up their mind.

Fine line between winning and losing. Run the last 5 playoffs over 100 times and we'd win our share, hopefully the tide turns this season.

The team culture is rotten. As Kafka wrote in "The Country Doctor," the doctor and the patient are in bed together, but here we have the GM in bed with the players. Dubas is all about try, no do. He really talks well about his try, though. Looking forward to us trying again this post-season, though our identity of Gen-Z TikTokers with their EA sports GM going up against the Bruins or the Lightning makes me very scared. Somehow, even if we get swept in the first round, which is more likely than people expect, some will still defend Dubas, and say it run it back 100 times, the definition of insanity.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Why are you bringing up Bunting? We were talking about Nylander.
You know, the guy you proposed to trade for Meier, which is arguably a downgrade, and will cost over 3mil more on the cap to keep for next season. And we somehow just get the highest paid boat anchor dman in the league in Karlsson with that too

What were you even picturing as a deal here. Nylander for Meier+karlsson ? What kind of picks or prospects are you willing to add?
Half to add kerfoot for sure for salary. Even higher price now. And probably Holl and Liljegren too. Keep adding to that price. And all of these add only work if SJ is willing to retain 50%. Whatever picks/prospects you were willing to include, now you’ve just doubled it.

Maybe we can keep Liljegren if we get a third team to retain another 25%.
This one deal probably costs more than all leafs deals this year combined. And what to we get. A rental downgrade in wing and karlsson for the next 4 years. Until he’s 36.
That conference final run happened when he was 26

That worth the price of admission for you?

Personally I like Meier better than Nylander, but that's just me.

I don't like pusillanimous players.

Let's raise the bar even more: If it costs Marner plus all the picks, plus Sandin, an actual NHL player, that Dubas used this year so far, to trade for Meier and Karlsson, instead of all these bottom of the roster sucky players that won't make a difference, and I think that would be a deal they should make every time.

A two time, soon to be three, Norris winning defenseman, in his Norris winning year no less, a franchise generational player who would rebalance the roster and fill a massive gap left by the Dubas four forward experiment.

Now THAT'S a difference maker and worth the cost of admission.

Not all these bottom of the roster duds that will only be sniffing the ice when the stars need to rest.

 

[Gary Nylund]

The team culture is rotten. As Kafka wrote in "The Country Doctor," the doctor and the patient are in bed together, but here we have the GM in bed with the players. Dubas is all about try, no do. He really talks well about his try, though. Looking forward to us trying again this post-season, though our identity of Gen-Z TikTokers with their EA sports GM going up against the Bruins or the Lightning makes me very scared. Somehow, even if we get swept in the first round, which is more likely than people expect, some will still defend Dubas, and say it run it back 100 times, the definition of insanity.

How likely do you think it is that we get swept?

 

[Stephen]

Dubas has shown more compete level this week than the team on the ice.

 

[geo25]

The team culture is rotten. As Kafka wrote in "The Country Doctor," the doctor and the patient are in bed together, but here we have the GM in bed with the players. Dubas is all about try, no do. He really talks well about his try, though. Looking forward to us trying again this post-season, though our identity of Gen-Z TikTokers with their EA sports GM going up against the Bruins or the Lightning makes me very scared. Somehow, even if we get swept in the first round, which is more likely than people expect, some will still defend Dubas, and say it run it back 100 times, the definition of insanity.





Totally agree...Dubas tried too little too late and the team is flawed. Matthews is not himself & appears nonchalant. Keefe is in over his head. Hopefully these new additions will help but they wont go far. I believe they need to go back to the drawing board with new personnel from the Pres on down...

Totally agree...Dubas tried too little too late and the team is flawed. Matthews is not himself & appears nonchalant. Keefe is in over his head. Hopefully these new additions will help but they wont go far. I believe they need to go back to the drawing board with new personnel from the Pres on down...

 

[Gary Nylund]

Totally agree...Dubas tried too little too late and the team is flawed. Matthews is not himself & appears nonchalant. Keefe is in over his head. Hopefully these new additions will help but they wont go far. I believe they need to go back to the drawing board with new personnel from the Pres on down...

Dubas will out after this season. Epic fail

I feel bad for you guys, I thought I had bad PTSD after losing to MTL but nothing like you guys. I feel like this is the best Leaf roster I've ever seen and I've been watching since about 1970. Maybe they'll go down in flames and this core will go down in history as the biggest disappointments in Maple Leaf history, definitely possible considering how tough the opposition will be. On the other hand, I don't think it's crazy at all to think this group could go all the way and I tell ya, if they do I will enjoy every second of it.

I suggest you guys at least try to do the same. If they lose, plenty of time to dump on Dubas and whoever else afterward but until it happens, why not at least try putting on the optimistic fan hats, you might find they even fit you, sort of.

Either way, GLG!!

 

[Leaf Fans]

The team culture is rotten. As Kafka wrote in "The Country Doctor," the doctor and the patient are in bed together, but here we have the GM in bed with the players. Dubas is all about try, no do. He really talks well about his try, though. Looking forward to us trying again this post-season, though our identity of Gen-Z TikTokers with their EA sports GM going up against the Bruins or the Lightning makes me very scared. Somehow, even if we get swept in the first round, which is more likely than people expect, some will still defend Dubas, and say it run it back 100 times, the definition of insanity.

In the story, it was the boy's parents who undress the doctor and put him in the bed with the boy. The doctor is to reassure the boy that he will be all right ( the boy seemed fine when the doctor arrived but after reexamining him he saw a wound from which worms emerged) . The doctor then opened the window and rode home regretting he ever came and passed off the journey to the boy as a false alarm. The story does take place in winter - other than that there is no comparison analogous or otherwise to Dubas and the Leafs. I suppose like the story, we have to question whether it was reality or just an insane narrator.

 

[tmlms13]

Tuesday - Greatest GM of all time
Thursday - Fire Him now

FFS people this was their worst game they've played in like 5 years and the GM has to get fired for it? Matthews is the best player we've ever had (in relation to rest of NHL players)

 

[darrylsittler27]

Its simple. Lose first round, he leaves.

 

[darrylsittler27]

Talk to me after round one.

 

[Canadian Finn]

Ooh baby, that's hard to change
I can't tell them how to feel
Some get stoned, some get strange
But sooner or later, it all gets real
Walk on, walk on
Walk on, walk on