Poll: If you had to decide now: Would you extend Kyle Dubas or let him walk ?

[MJ65]

This is do or die for him, I would wait until the end of the season

 

[Drytoast]

Because?

Because he's good?

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

What I keep hearing is "We could get someone worse"
Well if Dubas can't get this team past the first round, witht he talent we have, how much worse can it get?

As someone watching this organization for parts of 6 decades.....hoo boy, you have no idea!

 

[29Potvin]

It's now on the coach and players 1000%
No GM could be blamed if they put together a roster like this and it failed.
If it fails the core four will be the reason and the new GM with need to start with them.

 

[Gary Nylund]

What I keep hearing is "We could get someone worse"
Well if Dubas can't get this team past the first round, witht he talent we have, how much worse can it get?

Google what the team was like in the 80s, start with that.

This is do or die for him, I would wait until the end of the season

This is a popular sentiment it seems. Another school of thought is that after Friday, Dubas' work is done so why wait?

 

[Gary Nylund]

...

So, put me in the resign Dubas camp. If the players don't show up in Round 1 then it is on them and not the GM who's put together the best roster in decades. If they flop again, they should break up the core beause they just don't have it...but if we're re-engineering our roster, we would be wise to trust Dubas to lead it.

I tend to agree, my only concern is that one thing I sometimes worry about is if Dubas takes loyalty too far. Is it possible that if the core needs to broken up, Dubas' loyalty will prevent him from understanding that, or he will sort of understand it but can't bring himself to do it?

Whatever, after we win the cup we're not breaking up anything though contract negotiations are going to be a bitch this summer no matter what happens in the playoffs.

GLG!!

 

[therealkoho]

You can say a lot about Dubas but I find it hard to fault either of these trades. Hes dramaitcally overhauled this roster in the past two weeks and made it considerably better, while keeping Knies.

I was thinking about this, and what he's done IMHO is to put together the team that most of the old line fans see as the way to actually having a chance of winning in the playoffs. And to that I say good job.

It must be a tough thing to have to change course from the way he saw as the key to winning and then watch from the golf course as other teams "fought" their way through, winning with a lot of muscle to make room for the stars, and goaltending numbers you might never see again out of your goalie. Tampa with Vasilevskiy is more the exception than the rule.

I don't think he deserves an extension necessarily mainly because those 6 first round exits didn't provoke the changes that were necessary for success, desperation though has finally made him see the light.

I'd give him a 1 year deal if they make the conference finals, if not than it's thanks Kyle, it's been nice working with you. And let the major surgery begin, I think the Leafs have all the building blocks in place and with some sharp acquisitions can put together a SC winner.

Also I would form a coalition with Boston, TBay, Carolina, Philly, Detroit, Chicago and the NY area teams and force The Bettman into changing this idiotic playoff set up he is adhering to.

The way its set up presently, it eliminates 6 of the best teams in the first round. It could also happen with the old 1 through 8 format but it was a lot less likely, the current set up guarantees it.

Carrying past trauma over and dwelling on it.

This

 

[Gary Nylund]

Also I would form a coalition with Boston, TBay, Carolina, Philly, Detroit, Chicago and the NY area teams and force The Bettman into changing this idiotic playoff set up he is adhering to.

The way its set up presently, it eliminates 6 of the best teams in the first round. It could also happen with the old 1 through 8 format but it was a lot less likely, the current set up guarantees it.

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[TMLBlueandWhite]

That's three times now that Dubas had the opportunity to fill that 1RHD position properly.

Not once, not twice, but three times he could have gotten a Norris caliber defenseman for the most difficult position to find elite talent.

He FAILED.

His stupid promise to not trade Nylander and his commitment to the four forward experiment is sure to be the end of the Dubas regime. If Dubas really wanted to go all-in he should have traded for Meier and Karlsson, even off it meant moving Nylander or Marner back.

Figure out who stays and who goes in the summer

You get an upgrade on Nylander and this year's probable Norris trophy winner - the same guy who has won it twice already, the best defenseman in decades, and who still has a few more years on his contract.

That would have been all-in.

This, on the other. is a best effort by an inexperienced lame duck GM grasping at straws trying to save his job.

That's what this is.

Like I said: expensive and stupid.

If by some miracle they actually win a playoffs round,I sure hope that isn't enough for Tanenbaum to keep the Dumbnamic Duo still around. One playoffs series win in nine years is not anything to be proud of.

I'm sorry, but it just isn't.

Given how much they have mortgages the future for this run, anything less than an appearance in the finals should be seen as insufficient.

Cause there is nothing left after this to pay for another.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Google what the team was like in the 80s, start with that.


This is a popular sentiment it seems. Another school of thought is that after Friday, Dubas' work is done so why wait?

The thing is, for any of us old enough, it goes far beyond the team on the ice, it's the absolute atrociousness off the ice as well. Damn refreshing to not only have a consistent legitimate contender but a top to bottom organization that is respectful. Only possible exception I can see to that is whatever stock you put into Keefe's past.

 

[Gary Nylund]

That's three times now that Dubas had the opportunity to fill that 1RHD position properly.

Not once, not twice, but three times he could have gotten a Norris caliber defenseman for the most difficult position to find elite talent.

He FAILED.

His stupid promise to not trade Nylander and his commitment to the four forward experiment is sure to be the end of the Dubas regime. If Dubas really wanted to go all-in he should have traded for Meier and Karlsson, even off it meant moving Nylander or Marner back.

Figure out who stays and who goes in the summer

You get an upgrade on Nylander and this year's probable Norris trophy winner - the same guy who has won it twice already, the best defenseman in decades, and who still has a few more years on his contract.

That would have been all-in.

This, on the other. is a best effort by an inexperienced lame duck GM grasping at straws trying to save his job.

That's what this is.

Like I said: expensive and stupid.

If by some miracle they actually win a playoffs round,I sure hope that isn't enough for Tanenbaum to keep the Dumbnamic Duo still around. One playoffs series win in nine years is not anything to be proud of.

I'm sorry, but it just isn't.

Given how much they have mortgages the future for this run, anything less than an appearance in the finals should be seen as insufficient.

Cause there is nothing left after this to pay for another.

LMAO, you must be a TON OF FUN at parties.

The thing is, for any of us old enough, it goes far beyond the team on the ice, it's the absolute atrociousness off the ice as well. Damn refreshing to not only have a consistent legitimate contender but a top to bottom organization that is respectful. Only possible exception I can see to that is whatever stock you put into Keefe's past.

Agreed. And Keefe yeah, on one hand this goes to maybe taking loyalty too far, but on the other hand the team has been playing solid D starting from the day he took over so who knows?

 

[kb]

That's three times now that Dubas had the opportunity to fill that 1RHD position properly.

Not once, not twice, but three times he could have gotten a Norris caliber defenseman for the most difficult position to find elite talent.

He FAILED.

His stupid promise to not trade Nylander and his commitment to the four forward experiment is sure to be the end of the Dubas regime. If Dubas really wanted to go all-in he should have traded for Meier and Karlsson, even off it meant moving Nylander or Marner back.

Figure out who stays and who goes in the summer

You get an upgrade on Nylander and this year's probable Norris trophy winner - the same guy who has won it twice already, the best defenseman in decades, and who still has a few more years on his contract.

That would have been all-in.

This, on the other. is a best effort by an inexperienced lame duck GM grasping at straws trying to save his job.

That's what this is.

Like I said: expensive and stupid.

If by some miracle they actually win a playoffs round,I sure hope that isn't enough for Tanenbaum to keep the Dumbnamic Duo still around. One playoffs series win in nine years is not anything to be proud of.

I'm sorry, but it just isn't.

Given how much they have mortgages the future for this run, anything less than an appearance in the finals should be seen as insufficient.

Cause there is nothing left after this to pay for another.

There is a baseball thread on this board. With this many whiffs, you might want to go check it out.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

LMAO, you must be a TON OF FUN at parties.

Agreed. And Keefe yeah, on one hand this goes to maybe taking loyalty too far, but on the other hand the team has been playing solid D starting from the day he took over so who knows?

Wasn't really commenting on his hockey ability, just that he has a questionable past. That said, does that get held against a person forever? By all accounts there's been nothing since.

That's three times now that Dubas had the opportunity to fill that 1RHD position properly.

Not once, not twice, but three times he could have gotten a Norris caliber defenseman for the most difficult position to find elite talent.

He FAILED.

His stupid promise to not trade Nylander and his commitment to the four forward experiment is sure to be the end of the Dubas regime. If Dubas really wanted to go all-in he should have traded for Meier and Karlsson, even off it meant moving Nylander or Marner back.

Figure out who stays and who goes in the summer

You get an upgrade on Nylander and this year's probable Norris trophy winner - the same guy who has won it twice already, the best defenseman in decades, and who still has a few more years on his contract.

That would have been all-in.

This, on the other. is a best effort by an inexperienced lame duck GM grasping at straws trying to save his job.

That's what this is.

Like I said: expensive and stupid.

If by some miracle they actually win a playoffs round,I sure hope that isn't enough for Tanenbaum to keep the Dumbnamic Duo still around. One playoffs series win in nine years is not anything to be proud of.

I'm sorry, but it just isn't.

Given how much they have mortgages the future for this run, anything less than an appearance in the finals should be seen as insufficient.

Cause there is nothing left after this to pay for another.

Ah the infamous "quote" people like to cling to.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Mostly COVID.

Every team faced that

Google what the team was like in the 80s, start with that.

Irrelevant

 

[Gary Nylund]

Wasn't really commenting on his hockey ability, just that he has a questionable past. That said, does that get held against a person forever? By all accounts there's been nothing since.

Got it, thanks.

Every team faced that

Irrelevant

Covid had a much bigger negative impact on the Leafs than the average team, it probably hurt us the most actually.

You asked how things could be worse. If you're going to discard obvious answers as irrelevant, why ask the question?

 

[Pi]

Got it, thanks.


Covid had a much bigger negative impact on the Leafs than the average team, it probably hurt us the most actually.

You asked how things could be worse. If you're going to discard obvious answers as irrelevant, why ask the question?

Exactly. The Cap was steadily rising before covid and I think Dubas has done an absolutely marvelous job to keep it all together despite the flat cap for the past 3 years now.

It sucks for us that all our star players were due big contracts before covid and not after but I can't blame Dubas for not predicting a global pandemic.

 

[keonsbitterness]

What I keep hearing is "We could get someone worse"
Well if Dubas can't get this team past the first round, witht he talent we have, how much worse can it get?

It could get better, worse, or more of the same, but presumably the Leafs would conduct a proper search & interview process and hire a qualified person. If a pervasive fear of things getting worse was really a thing, then no one would ever get replaced.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Covid had a much bigger negative impact on the Leafs than the average team, it probably hurt us the most actually.

Dubas overpays did that, not COVID.

poor goalie planning, no left wingers, and no #1D were other situations.

Tavares was another misstake. By the time this team was somewhat balanced, Kadri was better than JT.

Trading all those first round picks for no results.

Boston leapfrogs us again by solid defending and a good goalie - again.

We are Corsi Kings in the regular season, and the game changes for the playoffs and Matthews and Marner dont have answers.

 

[Wilma]

I tend to agree, my only concern is that one thing I sometimes worry about is if Dubas takes loyalty too far. Is it possible that if the core needs to broken up, Dubas' loyalty will prevent him from understanding that, or he will sort of understand it but can't bring himself to do it?

Whatever, after we win the cup we're not breaking up anything though contract negotiations are going to be a bitch this summer no matter what happens in the playoffs.

GLG!!

This is definitely the biggest risk.

If they flop, I think Dubas should get the opportunity to present his plan. If the blinders are still on and loyalty is trumping logic, I think that's when he gets the boot.

 

[ShaneFalco]

As someone watching this organization for parts of 6 decades.....hoo boy, you have no idea!

I'm up there. B

As someone watching this organization for parts of 6 decades.....hoo boy, you have no idea!

I'm up there and the organization was a shit-show for decades. But look what Dubas has inherited, and if he can't get it done in the playoffs, the fear of someone could be worse, is a defeatist attitude/loser mentality

 

[LizzyDangle]

For some reason I can't vote so I don't see any results but I know you can't say the guy isn't trying

 

[hotpaws]

This is definitely the biggest risk.

If they flop, I think Dubas should get the opportunity to present his plan. If the blinders are still on and loyalty is trumping logic, I think that's when he gets the boot.

If we flop in the playoffs he should get shown the door . I don’t need to “hear his plan” for the future after another failed season.

and loyalty to the core isn’t a problem , that’s just an excuse since the core piece that needs to be dealt has a nmc and is a huge cap hit

 

[Gary Nylund]

Dubas overpays did that, not COVID.

poor goalie planning, no left wingers, and no #1D were other situations.

Tavares was another misstake. By the time this team was somewhat balanced, Kadri was better than JT.

Trading all those first round picks for no results.

Boston leapfrogs us again by solid defending and a good goalie - again.

We are Corsi Kings in the regular season, and the game changes for the playoffs and Matthews and Marner dont have answers.

If you want to ignore the negative impact of covid by deflecting, go ahead but you're not fooling me.

This is definitely the biggest risk.

If they flop, I think Dubas should get the opportunity to present his plan. If the blinders are still on and loyalty is trumping logic, I think that's when he gets the boot.

Agreed. That's what I said after the MTL debacle, I would want to know what the plan is going forward before deciding on whether or not to fire Dubas. I wasn't happy when he didn't really make any changes in that off-season but then again, I can't complain about how things have gone since so what do I know.

 

[ShaneFalco]

For some reason I can't vote so I don't see any results but I know you can't say the guy isn't trying

This isn't a trying league

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Every team faced that

What's your point? Over half of the teams in the league are pressed to the cap and most of them are in far worse shape than Toronto because they have contracts with not great players paid more than they are worth.

It's interesting that the "derp derp look at excel boy" crowd would have you believe that when he signed his contracts he just completely missed the notion of long term planning. Seems like something an analysis driven person would do, right? I mean, he probably didn't look and say "well on average, for the past 15 years the cap has risen $2.83 M per year" and build that in at all. If 15 year average held, you are looking at $8.5 M more space today.

No doubt, genius that you are, you would have called the worldwide pandemic.