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Playoffs: Don't Tell Me The Odds

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Kingjin said:
Wouldn't just be better to miss the NHL playoffs and let Byfield and crew go through the AHL playoffs with the Reign? Maybe they would gain some confidence and swagger?
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I'd take even just two road playoff games in Colorado/Calgary over the AHL playoff atmosphere.

Never know. That atmosphere might actually trigger some swagger. They also could go down to the AHL playoffs and be meh.
 
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Starting to look like AHL playoffs are the plan anyway. Vilardi and Byfield to the bench, AA in.

So much for 'getting the youth meaningful games.'

But hey at least we'll limp into the playoffs maybe and get 2 games of home playoff revenue with ufa mercs and the last gasps of aging vets.
 
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It's always better to make the playoffs than miss when you're talking about development. The playoffs are a different beast than the regular season, even just being on the bench and in the locker room soaking it in is a huge building block. The black aces every team carries in the playoffs glean a lot from just watching what players have to go through and prepare for come playoff time.
 
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Kings had some young first rounders on the 17/18 team, Kempe and Forbort come to mind. Getting swept didn’t do anything to help them from what I recall.
 
Bandit said:
It's a pretty ridiculous question. Guy is on an internet message board talking about said team all the time. Non-fans don't do that. You might consider just how much of a knob you're being that I'm resorting to defending @Sol here.
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It’s a ridiculous question? Point me to one post where this guy isn’t shitting on the team.
 
Axl Rhoadz said:
It’s a ridiculous question? Point me to one post where this guy isn’t shitting on the team.
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Playoffs: Don't Tell Me The Odds

Look I know the deployments have been different and his injury and yada yada but it’d be really f***ing nice to have a talented guy like Stutzle playing for the Kings.
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You & golden boy the same person? Just keep walking right into the easy ones...
 
Bandit said:

Playoffs: Don't Tell Me The Odds

Look I know the deployments have been different and his injury and yada yada but it’d be really f***ing nice to have a talented guy like Stutzle playing for the Kings.
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You & golden boy the same person? Just keep walking right into the easy ones...
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I actually wondered if golden bear and him are the same person lmao
 
Bandit said:

Playoffs: Don't Tell Me The Odds

Look I know the deployments have been different and his injury and yada yada but it’d be really f***ing nice to have a talented guy like Stutzle playing for the Kings.
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You & golden boy the same person? Just keep walking right into the easy ones...
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That’s your comeback? Lol, “Would have been great if the Kings didn’t make the wrong choice at the draft and took Stutzle instead”. GTFO
 
Well, it finally happened. According to SportsClubStats, Vegas has a 58.7% chance of making the playoffs, while LA has a 50.4% chance, and according to FiveThirtyEight, Vegas has a 63% chance while LA only has a 49% chance.

Oilers are at 98%, Nashville at 90%, and Dallas at 89%.

I don't think we're making the playoffs this year. Vegas is one point behind us with one game in hand.
 
Every player on this roster would rather be swept in the 1st rd than pack it in after game 82. Most of them are competitive people. This contender or nothing mindset is fine from a fan perspective, we're the ones paying to watch this crap, and while the players know when they're on a real contender or not, they would all still rather have a chance. Not one of them care one bit about the next 18 year old that'll be on the organization come the draft.
 
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KingsFan7824 said:
Every player on this roster would rather be swept in the 1st rd than pack it in after game 82. Most of them are competitive people. This contender or nothing mindset is fine from a fan perspective, we're the ones paying to watch this crap, and while the players know when they're on a real contender or not, they would all still rather have a chance. Not one of them care one bit about the next 18 year old that'll be on the organization come the draft.
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This would be a fine sentiment if the vets gave us a much better chance to win than the kids do.

Just a lot of chest puffing here. Of course everyone wants playing time, it's coaching/management's say to step in and do the right thing.

Several more games of Byfield >>>>>>>>> any more games of AA.

But I'm sure we'll all appreciate getting swept that much more when Grundstrom is getting 15-15 in another sweater next year and we're bemoaning the youth's lack of experience to start the year in favor of putting in some f***ing plugs. At least we'll be able to say AA got to play 6 more games and 4 playoff games with this franchise, our top picks be damned.
 
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kilowatt said:
Well, it finally happened. According to SportsClubStats, Vegas has a 58.7% chance of making the playoffs, while LA has a 50.4% chance, and according to FiveThirtyEight, Vegas has a 63% chance while LA only has a 49% chance.

Oilers are at 98%, Nashville at 90%, and Dallas at 89%.

I don't think we're making the playoffs this year. Vegas is one point behind us with one game in hand.
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Edm will bear VGK tomorrow for you guys...

Lehner has left team for family reasons too.
 
I’m ok with Todd scratching Vilardi and Byfield, they may need a night off. Same with Durzi defensively but I worry that’ll kill offense from the backend.


But Vilardi has 3 points in 23 games. Byfield has 8 in 36, Spence has tied him in 18 games. These are getting close to Iaffalo levels of bad, I’m ok if they sit for a game or two and refocus.

Smart thing would be to mix up the lines before scratching them but I’m not asking for miracles over here.
 
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Docgonzo said:
I’m ok with Todd scratching Vilardi and Byfield, they may need a night off. Same with Durzi defensively but I worry that’ll kill offense from the backend.


But Vilardi has 3 points in 23 games. Byfield has 8 in 36, Spence has tied him in 18 games. These are getting close to Iaffalo levels of bad, I’m ok if they sit for a game or two and refocus.

Smart thing would be to mix up the lines before scratching them but I’m not asking for miracles over here.
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I get the sentiment, but consider also Grundstrom is benched despite production, and that the only kids playing they are absolutely forced to play in the fringes of the lineup (Kupari Kaliyev on 4th line). And that someone who is performing admirably in spence is currently visibly slotted #6.

I understand why in this case a coach would go 'GIMME ALL THE VETS' but I dont' appreciate the bullshit lip service about getting youth experience and development while only holding accountability to production to an age multiplier. Plenty of vets have been godawful in this stretch and it's only being taken out on players 23 and younger.
 
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There was no chance they were not inserting one of the few forwards on the team who was producing to keep playing younger players who weren’t. Gabe had 16 games to give them something to think about and he just failed to do it. Yes, he looks lost playing wing in the NHL, but he has no future in the organization as a center. That’s what happens when you draft 5 centers with top 45 picks over a four year span and sign an UFA center while having a $10m center already signed. Just no room.

The idea that guys can seamlessly transition to be effective wingers is simply not always true. Vilardi, JAD and Turcotte showed almost nothing as wingers.
 
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I mean I'm willing to bet Kopitar scores tomorrow because he owns CBJ, and AA scores tomorrow because his MO is to pack a bunch of production into 3-4 games when he returns from injury, I think the question is if that line will be capable of not being -3.

We can bemoan production all we want but we scored 3 goals a couple of times recently, however we haven't been able to stop opponents from tripling us up.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
This would be a fine sentiment if the vets gave us a much better chance to win than the kids do.

Just a lot of chest puffing here. Of course everyone wants playing time, it's coaching/management's say to step in and do the right thing.

Several more games of Byfield >>>>>>>>> any more games of AA.

But I'm sure we'll all appreciate getting swept that much more when Grundstrom is getting 15-15 in another sweater next year and we're bemoaning the youth's lack of experience to start the year in favor of putting in some f***ing plugs. At least we'll be able to say AA got to play 6 more games and 4 playoff games with this franchise, our top picks be damned.
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The players don't care about the Kings. If they play in a playoff game, and happen to score a game winner, that might mean $500k more in their next contract. If any of them happen to have a John Druce run in the playoffs for some random ass reason, that's probably a 5 year contract worth tens of millions of dollars.

Your first sentence doesn't matter. Fans care about that. Players don't. All they want is another game to try and win. They don't care about draft picks. They don't care about the franchise in 4 years. They live for today. Doughty doesn't care about the franchise, he just wanted to play in an important game again. Oddly enough, he won't one way or another this year. Mike Richards didn't care about the franchise when he didn't willingly walk away when he clearly couldn't play anymore. Justin Williams had the audacity to care more about his wife's opinion than this franchise when he moved back east. He could've signed here cheap, but no, he had his own agenda. Carter didn't care about the Kings. If the Flames and Kings play in a series, Sutter isn't going to think, you know, that's the franchise I won with, I hope they beat us. No. He hopes Byfield plays, and hopes to embarrass him, just so he can have one of his clever Sutter quotes.

I don't know why you're on this Grundstrom kick. He's not a UFA. He's not a high profile RFA.
 
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KingsFan7824 said:
The players don't care about the Kings. If they play in a playoff game, and happen to score a game winner, that might mean $500k more in their next contract. If any of them happen to have a John Druce run in the playoffs for some random ass reason, that's probably a 5 year contract worth tens of millions of dollars.

Your first sentence doesn't matter. Fans care about that. Players don't. All they want is another game to try and win. They don't care about draft picks. They don't care about the franchise in 4 years. They live for today. Doughty doesn't care about the franchise, he just wanted to play in an important game again. Oddly enough, he won't one way or another this year. Mike Richards didn't care about the franchise when he didn't willingly walk away when he clearly couldn't play anymore. Justin Williams had the audacity to care more about his wife's opinion than this franchise when he moved back east. He could've signed here cheap, but no, he had his own agenda. Carter didn't care about the Kings. If the Flames and Kings play in a series, Sutter isn't going to think, you know, that's the franchise I won with, I hope they beat us. No. He hopes Byfield plays, and hopes to embarrass him, just so he can have one of his clever Sutter quotes.

I don't know why you're on this Grundstrom kick. He's not a UFA. He's not a high profile RFA.
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I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm simply saying the players shouldn't be the ones running the show and it's coaching/management's job to rearrange things in the way that makes the most sense for the future of the franchise. Of course if I'm any one of the vets on the team I want my spot whether I deserve it or not.

Re: Grundstrom I keep bringing him up because others focus on strictly production rather than development; here's an example of a guy who gets benched after he scores in favor of vets and is being misused just like any of the other kids so we can play guys in their late 20s who won't be here next year. If I'm a King in my early 20s that keeps getting treated like that, I'm out first chance I get. Sure, ultimately he's probably just a tweener depth player; great! let's play him instead of some of the deadweight that's likely on its way out. It all just brings me back to my first point, all things being equal, this year was supposed to be about developing the kids while being competitive--if they were all getting smoked by vets that would be one thing, but it's not the case, many of the vets ARE NOT playing winning hockey, theyre losing checks and matchups everywhere...and management doesn't have the balls to bench guys who are blowing it all over the place but can leave kids off the power play and punish them for lack of produciton or, in Tonka's case, you get benched anyway with a coach LITERALLY SAYING "you did nothing wrong."
 
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