Rumor: Planning Ahead: 2019 Off-Season Part 2

[Raccoon Jesus]

Kings have to be the biggest if not one of the biggest market teams that HF has no idea about at all times.

The way they talk about the prospects and style the Kings are playing is so outdated. It's like they haven't watched for two-three years.

"slow, grinding, cycling offensive possession team" gave me a good bellylaugh.

 

[Sol]

"slow, grinding, cycling offensive possession team" gave me a good bellylaugh.

Pathetic bastards. They all ignored your comment lol.





I can't believe Forbort is 2-3 on this team. On most teams is barely a 7th D. As the season grows near the thought of having to see that useless sack of shit play D again is haunting me.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Pathetic bastards. They all ignored your comment lol.





I can't believe Forbort is 2-3 on this team. On most teams is barely a 7th D. As the season grows near the thought of having to see that useless sack of **** play D again is haunting me.

He's kind of not even a 2 here, he's just Doughty's latest babysitting partner. It's almost as if management finds our worst possible 4-5 d-man that can eat some minutes and plays them next to Drew. Guy has been handicapped practically his whole career except for one season of scuderi and 1.5 of Muzzin.

 

[DoktorJeep]

With a lot of teams moving to a platoon situation with their goaltending, maybe even the kings, I think it’s better to trade Campbell before the season starts than to wait till the deadline.

If you need an affordable guy who you can reasonably trust to play 30 games, it’s only going to happen if he plays for you the whole year. If you try to get a good backup during the season, you’re probably looking because the current guy isn’t working out and it’s a desperate move.

Plus, the Kings D next season is a gigantic question mark. If Campbell gets lit up and loses his confidence, then his trade value has gone down.

Given Petersen’s age, it’s not a huge risk to start him, but the obvious risk is the sudden lack of goaltending depth in the organization. So you’ll need a goaltender to come back for Campbell, also hurting the return in terms of futures.

But we might as well find out what we have with CP and I could see some real upside to letting him grow with the young D and take over the starting roles.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Imagine a draft where you land a franchise center and goaltender in the same year. Hard to fathom that the Kings can claim to have had that kind of success on the draft floor given their draft history.

 

[YP44]

With a lot of teams moving to a platoon situation with their goaltending, maybe even the kings, I think it’s better to trade Campbell before the season starts than to wait till the deadline.

If you need an affordable guy who you can reasonably trust to play 30 games, it’s only going to happen if he plays for you the whole year. If you try to get a good backup during the season, you’re probably looking because the current guy isn’t working out and it’s a desperate move.

Plus, the Kings D next season is a gigantic question mark. If Campbell gets lit up and loses his confidence, then his trade value has gone down.

Given Petersen’s age, it’s not a huge risk to start him, but the obvious risk is the sudden lack of goaltending depth in the organization. So you’ll need a goaltender to come back for Campbell, also hurting the return in terms of futures.

But we might as well find out what we have with CP and I could see some real upside to letting him grow with the young D and take over the starting roles.

i would support moving Campbell now instead of waiting.

 

[Sol]

He's kind of not even a 2 here, he's just Doughty's latest babysitting partner. It's almost as if management finds our worst possible 4-5 d-man that can eat some minutes and plays them next to Drew. Guy has been handicapped practically his whole career except for one season of scuderi and 1.5 of Muzzin.

I don't know why they think it's okay to keep putting awful partners for Doughty. I get that he's great but I'm sure he's upset that he has to carry his defensive partner so heavily all the time.


He would put up more points if he could trust his partner. Sucks a lot tbh. They need to remedy it while he's still good

 

[kings11]

Looks like Shattenkirk is getting bought out.. would we take a risk with him to help out our right side and move Amart to the left, help mentor the young guys and if everything breaks right we can move him and Martinez and further speed up the rebuild... Big "IFs" but he coul dbe a bargain bounce back candidate.. never say no to free assets..

 

[Sol]

Looks like Shattenkirk is getting bought out.. would we take a risk with him to help out our right side and move Amart to the left, help mentor the young guys and if everything breaks right we can move him and Martinez and further speed up the rebuild... Big "IFs" but he coul dbe a bargain bounce back candidate.. never say no to free assets..

How bad has he been? I hate taking shots on failing players, but could the defense get any worse with him?

 

[kings11]

How bad has he been? I hate taking shots on failing players, but could the defense get any worse with him?

played like dog shit on the Rangers after looking really good on the Blues... I think he'll bounce back ala Eric Staal... IMHO, he's worth it

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I'd rather just roll the dice with Sean Walker and Matt Roy. Too many memories of the Kings making Shattenkirk look like a complete boob when they played the Blues in the playoffs in 2012 and 2013, and he's gotten worse.

 

[kingsholygrail]

I'd rather just roll the dice with Sean Walker and Matt Roy. Too many memories of the Kings making Shattenkirk look like a complete boob when they played the Blues in the playoffs in 2012 and 2013, and he's gotten worse.

Yeah, I gotta agree with you here. I'm just not that interested in retreads right now. I want to see what our new guys can do or continue to do.

 

[YP44]

Looks like Shattenkirk is getting bought out.. would we take a risk with him to help out our right side and move Amart to the left, help mentor the young guys and if everything breaks right we can move him and Martinez and further speed up the rebuild... Big "IFs" but he coul dbe a bargain bounce back candidate.. never say no to free assets..

Free asset if it is a 1 or 2 year deal I would be interested. Especially as it would allow LA to trade Martinez to keep space open for youth

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

The problem with Shattenkirk is that for some reason east coasters thought he was a #2 and played him as such when he was really just Voynov.

Not sure we need a 2nd pairing PMD but I wouldn't hate it.

 

[lumbergh]

Free asset if it is a 1 or 2 year deal I would be interested. Especially as it would allow LA to trade Martinez to keep space open for youth

I don't think he'll be a "free asset" because it's gonna take more than minimum salary for 1 year to grab him. If he gets bought out, the Kings won't be the only team that might want to pick him up.

 

[kings11]

The problem with Shattenkirk is that for some reason east coasters thought he was a #2 and played him as such when he was really just Voynov.

Not sure we need a 2nd pairing PMD but I wouldn't hate it.

Forbort-Doughty
Martinez-Shattenkirk
Ryan-Walker/Roy/LaDue
MacDermid

makes it easier to move a Martinez or both if they bounce back..

 

[YP44]

Forbort-Doughty
Martinez-Shattenkirk
Ryan-Walker/Roy/LaDue
MacDermid

makes it easier to move a Martinez or both if they bounce back..

full agree with this.

 

[YP44]

I don't think he'll be a "free asset" because it's gonna take more than minimum salary for 1 year to grab him. If he gets bought out, the Kings won't be the only team that might want to pick him up.

it depends on the contract. I doubt he would want to sign with the kings and would rather take a discount to a contender anyway.

 

[Sol]

Forgot about Walker and Roy lol. They were pretty good.

 

[Rumpelstiltskin]

"Splat"

^Setting aside Scherbak, though: has there been a single positive word said about Desjardins in the last year (note that Blake's obligatory "We wish him success in any/all future endeavors" sentiment does not count for this purpose)...I'm being totally serious with this question; Hell, even CRAWFORD had a few guys defending him IIRC...???

 

[Brodeur]

With a lot of teams moving to a platoon situation with their goaltending, maybe even the kings, I think it’s better to trade Campbell before the season starts than to wait till the deadline.

Pretty much every goalie spot is taken right now, I'm not sure you could move Campbell without taking back a goalie. Columbus seems intent on at least starting off with Korpisalo/Merzlikins and Colorado/Florida appear comfortable with Francouz/Montembeault as backups. Once injuries happen and/or teams start looking towards the future (ie, Detroit eventually moving on from Howard) then a better market could develop for Campbell.

Looks like Shattenkirk is getting bought out.. would we take a risk with him to help out our right side and move Amart to the left, help mentor the young guys and if everything breaks right we can move him and Martinez and further speed up the rebuild... Big "IFs" but he coul dbe a bargain bounce back candidate.. never say no to free assets..

If the Kings could get him to a 1 year deal, that might be ideal for both parties. Shattenkirk can get a year to try to rebuild his value towards his next contract and he wouldn't necessarily be blocking anybody on the Kings long term. Kings could then ship him off at the deadline for additional pick(s). I'm reminded of a rebuilding Blues club picking up Bill Guerin off the scrap heap in 2006 and turning him into a late first rounder in 2007 (David Perron). Or perhaps a more realistic comparable might be the Devils turning Lee Stempniak from a PTO into a 2nd and 4th round pick.

But there's a rumor/thought now that Shattenkirk might not stray too far from the NYC area if he is bought out since he and his wife just had their first kid.

 

[KingsFan7824]

With a lot of teams moving to a platoon situation with their goaltending, maybe even the kings, I think it’s better to trade Campbell before the season starts than to wait till the deadline.

If you need an affordable guy who you can reasonably trust to play 30 games, it’s only going to happen if he plays for you the whole year. If you try to get a good backup during the season, you’re probably looking because the current guy isn’t working out and it’s a desperate move.

Plus, the Kings D next season is a gigantic question mark. If Campbell gets lit up and loses his confidence, then his trade value has gone down.

Given Petersen’s age, it’s not a huge risk to start him, but the obvious risk is the sudden lack of goaltending depth in the organization. So you’ll need a goaltender to come back for Campbell, also hurting the return in terms of futures.

But we might as well find out what we have with CP and I could see some real upside to letting him grow with the young D and take over the starting roles.

I don't believe there are any teams as of July 30th that don't already have 2 goalies on 1 way contracts.

I've been saying it for a while now, but the Kings aren't really in an ideal position in regards to their goaltenders. Quick is just old, Campbell is 11 months away from being a UFA, and Petersen is an older prospect. None of it really works together. Petersen very likely won't get a real chance at winning the #1 job until he's 26, and he has all of 11 NHL games to his name. Outside of any probable injuries to Quick, he's not going to add many to that total.

Imagine a draft where you land a franchise center and goaltender in the same year. Hard to fathom that the Kings can claim to have had that kind of success on the draft floor given their draft history.

Without a top 10 pick.

Free asset if it is a 1 or 2 year deal I would be interested. Especially as it would allow LA to trade Martinez to keep space open for youth

Why not just keep Martinez then? Unless you're thinking Martinez can bring something good back due to what he did in the 2014 playoffs? Objectively, he's now 32, and was at his best on the 3rd pair of a deep defense. Now he's paid $4m, and is a very borderline top 4. If he's in your top 4, your top 3 have to be very good. Not many teams that can afford $4m if the top 3 is that good. They can always retain, but even $2m is a lot for a 4/5 d-man.

Not many of the Kings moves lately have said that they're looking to add a veteran with any sort of name. Even whatever Shattenkirk is at this point. They've got 15 d-men under contract. They're done.

 

[YP44]

I don't believe there are any teams as of July 30th that don't already have 2 goalies on 1 way contracts.

I've been saying it for a while now, but the Kings aren't really in an ideal position in regards to their goaltenders. Quick is just old, Campbell is 11 months away from being a UFA, and Petersen is an older prospect. None of it really works together. Petersen very likely won't get a real chance at winning the #1 job until he's 26, and he has all of 11 NHL games to his name. Outside of any probable injuries to Quick, he's not going to add many to that total.



Without a top 10 pick.



Why not just keep Martinez then? Unless you're thinking Martinez can bring something good back due to what he did in the 2014 playoffs? Objectively, he's now 32, and was at his best on the 3rd pair of a deep defense. Now he's paid $4m, and is a very borderline top 4. If he's in your top 4, your top 3 have to be very good. Not many teams that can afford $4m if the top 3 is that good. They can always retain, but even $2m is a lot for a 4/5 d-man.

Not many of the Kings moves lately have said that they're looking to add a veteran with any sort of name. Even whatever Shattenkirk is at this point. They've got 15 d-men under contract. They're done.

My argument for picking up Shattenkirk and dealing martinez would be to get some asset for the cost of cap space. Bring in Shattenkirk and then deal a-mart even if it for a conditional 2nd still puts LA ahead.

now do i think it is realistic at all, no (for a variety of reasons)

 

[Little Psycho]

"slow, grinding, cycling offensive possession team" gave me a good bellylaugh.

When I read the main boards, I'm always like

 

[Randy Butternubs]

When I read the main boards, I'm always like

Despite me lurking on this board for the last few seasons and knowing the general direction the Kings want to go, I still think of "slow, grinding, cycling offensive possession team" when it comes to LA. Probably has to do with those Cup teams.