Rumor: Planning Ahead: 2019 Off-Season Part 2

[Steve Zissou]

Sure, we'll take Marleau off your hands to get you out of cap hell...

It'll cost ya a signed Andreas Johnsson -or- Kapanen.

(Thinking we would be dumping a contract back on them doesn't make sense for them, or us really.)

But otherwise I'm not doing any favors for the f***ing Toronto Maple Leafs if it doesn't include one of their two RFA's or a good prospect.

 

[Steve Zissou]

Trevor Lewis is still a King? Never noticed him last season.

Because he was hurt most of the season.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Because he was hurt most of the season.

He's like Kyle Calder in the sense that you forget he's there. He managed to score 3 goals in 44 games, only one more than Brodzinski, who appeared in 13 games.

 

[The Lukeman]

How would you guys feel about the following two trades:

TRADE 1:
To LA:
Patrick Marleau
TOR 2019 3rd round pick

To TOR:
Dion Phaneuf (42.75% Salary Retained/ 2.25 million retained)

LA gets rid of Phaneuf to open up a D spot, as well as a draft pick and can try and send Marleau to a contender at the deadline (if he waives). The Leafs gain 3.25 million in cap space next season. I kind of see this as a win win for both teams.

TRADE 2:
To LA:
Milan Lucic (50% Salary Retained/3 million)
EDM 2019 1st round pick

To EDM:
Tyler Toffoli

LA gets 8th pick in the draft and the Oilers get rid of Lucic AND add an alleged goal scorer in Toffoli. LA could also buyout Lucic immediately, splitting the burden of the contract with EDM. Cap hit would be 1.8m, 2.8m, 2.0m, 2.8m, and then 625k for 4 years for each team.

Thoughts?? What would make these trades work?

 

[Master Yoda]

How would you guys feel about the following two trades:

TRADE 1:
To LA:
Patrick Marleau
TOR 2019 3rd round pick

To TOR:
Dion Phaneuf (42.75% Salary Retained/ 2.25 million retained)

LA gets rid of Phaneuf to open up a D spot, as well as a draft pick and can try and send Marleau to a contender at the deadline (if he waives). The Leafs gain 3.25 million in cap space next season. I kind of see this as a win win for both teams.

TRADE 2:
To LA:
Milan Lucic (50% Salary Retained/3 million)
EDM 2019 1st round pick

To EDM:
Tyler Toffoli

LA gets 8th pick in the draft and the Oilers get rid of Lucic AND add an alleged goal scorer in Toffoli. LA could also buyout Lucic immediately, splitting the burden of the contract with EDM. Cap hit would be 1.8m, 2.8m, 2.0m, 2.8m, and then 625k for 4 years for each team.

Thoughts?? What would make these trades work?

yes on trade 1. no on trade 2. Lucic's contract just has too many years left.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Gotta imagine Phaneuf would be moving if the Kings take Marleau. Kings would likely bite the bullet on one year of 6.25 or less (TO takes some salary) if they can dump 2 years at 5.25 of Phaneuf.

If no salary is retained it’s basically 6 for one year vs 10.5 million for 2 more years. That would save the Kings 4.5 million and an additional year.

 

[KopitarFAN]

How would you guys feel about the following two trades:

TRADE 1:
To LA:
Patrick Marleau
TOR 2019 3rd round pick

To TOR:
Dion Phaneuf (42.75% Salary Retained/ 2.25 million retained)

LA gets rid of Phaneuf to open up a D spot, as well as a draft pick and can try and send Marleau to a contender at the deadline (if he waives). The Leafs gain 3.25 million in cap space next season. I kind of see this as a win win for both teams.

I might be wrong, but I think the team holding the player has to hold at least 50% of the salary, and Ottawa already retained 25%, so I think that means the max would be 25% again.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

To TOR:
Doughty

To LA:
Kapanen
Kadri
Zaitsev
Marleau

The Marleau rumors could be true...Tor has to get out of Cap hell...and althugh Doughty
says "I'm on board for whatever the future is here" - of COURSE he will say that!
What would you expect? He's not going to say "I don't want to be part of this rebuild"
and may truly want out and go home and have a shot to play for a Cup with the Leafs.

If the Kings got back the salaries of: Kadri, Zaitsev , Marleau, and what they have
to pay Kapanen, the Leafs can afford to pay DD and Marner. Don't underestimate Kadri,
a year from his 30 goal season....of course he's not going to score 30 from line 3.
Kapanen is a future borderline star...and could play with Kupari by next yr.

Kadri and Kapanen replace Carter and Toffoli thank God!!!! Do not think DD can fetch more
than this. If so, try to get their #1 2020 and send LA #2 2020 to them. Marleau is gone in 300 days from now...no big deal. Trade TT for anything and
waive Carter. No, he cannot play third line C or RW on any line. He's done.

Brown Kopitar Kapanen
Prokhorkin Kadri Kovalchuk
Gundstrom Kempe JAD
Clifford Amadio Wagner
Luff

 

[KINGS17]

It makes zero sense for Toronto to include Phaneuf in a deal like this, and if that is what Blake is insisting on then it won't happen.

Now if you want to add Martinez to what Toronto is getting in addition to cap space to sign Marner, Toronto will have to give up another first round pick and a good prospect.

 

[kovacro]

To TOR:
Doughty

To LA:
Kapanen
Kadri
Zaitsev
Marleau

Pass for me.

Don’t want anything to do with Zaitsev and that contract.

Kadri is going to be 29 in October and if we are looking to get younger and likely not that competitive for the next couple years, he doesn’t fit.

Only one in that deal I’d be interested is Kapanen.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

To TOR:
Doughty

To LA:
Kapanen
Kadri
Zaitsev
Marleau

If the goal is to help the Leafs win a Cup, this trade certainly works.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I just don't see anyone leaping to save the Leafs from themselves like the hockey world seems to think.

No one "wants" Marleau at this point, and with the NTC, they hold hardly ANY cards.

And they longer they stay in cap hell, the greater a chance of an offer sheet as well as lesser deals for their assets.

Forget who it was that said it, but GMs are throwing anchors, not lifesavers, when you're down.

Sure is fun to watch these genius, beyond reproach GMs start running into the same issues as everyone else, though.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Honest question

With Kings in rebuild mode (I assume that is what it would be described at right now) do you think Kopitar or Doughty could quietly be available?

 

[kingsboy11]

Honest question

With Kings in rebuild mode (I assume that is what it would be described at right now) do you think Kopitar or Doughty could quietly be available?

It wouldn't be worth it to trade them. They'll both retire as Kings

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Understandable

As Hawks fan I would have loved to see one of them on Hawks and we finally have cap room and assets to make a big move to try and get back to being contender

Having Kopitar or Doughty would have IMO been able to speed up our own rebuild/retool

 

[KINGS17]

Honest question

With Kings in rebuild mode (I assume that is what it would be described at right now) do you think Kopitar or Doughty could quietly be available?

I think they should be available. Kopitar should have been traded before his last deal was signed.

 

[The Lukeman]

I might be wrong, but I think the team holding the player has to hold at least 50% of the salary, and Ottawa already retained 25%, so I think that means the max would be 25% again.

Some quick googling shows that you are correct, LA can only retain another 25%, makes this trade a lot less friendly for the leafs then. Thanks for the input

 

[DoktorJeep]

A straight up Marleau for Toffoli trade has no benefits for a rebuild outside of PM potentially being a more valuable chip than TT at the 2020 TDL. But that’s a small bet and a potential non starter if PM retains trade protection.

You need some futures to come back with Marleau. I’d like to see Blake make a significant roster turnover happen via a trade with the cap strapped Leafs.

To LA:
Marleau, 1 yr, $6.25m
Zaitsev, 5 yr, $4.5m
Rasmus Sandin
Jeremy Bracco

To TO:
Clifford, 1 yr, $1.6m
Martinez, 2 yr, $4m
LaDue, 1 yr, $825k

 

[KingsCup1214]

Some quick googling shows that you are correct, LA can only retain another 25%, makes this trade a lot less friendly for the leafs then. Thanks for the input

This is incorrect. On each trade, the team can retain up to a maximum of 50%. See the Kings re-acquiring Rob Scuderi for reference. PIT retained 33% when they traded him to CHI and CHI retained 50% when they traded him to LA resulting in each team paying 33% of his contract.

 

[kilowatt]

A straight up Marleau for Toffoli trade has no benefits for a rebuild outside of PM potentially being a more valuable chip than TT at the 2020 TDL. But that’s a small bet and a potential non starter if PM retains trade protection.

You need some futures to come back with Marleau. I’d like to see Blake make a significant roster turnover happen via a trade with the cap strapped Leafs.

To LA:
Marleau, 1 yr, $6.25m
Zaitsev, 5 yr, $4.5m
Rasmus Sandin
Jeremy Bracco

To TO:
Clifford, 1 yr, $1.6m
Martinez, 2 yr, $4m
LaDue, 1 yr, $825k

what in the f*** is this

not taking zaitsev but nice try

 

[KopitarFAN]

I guess we're back to the bread man.

 

[KINGS17]

A straight up Marleau for Toffoli trade has no benefits for a rebuild outside of PM potentially being a more valuable chip than TT at the 2020 TDL. But that’s a small bet and a potential non starter if PM retains trade protection.

You need some futures to come back with Marleau. I’d like to see Blake make a significant roster turnover happen via a trade with the cap strapped Leafs.

To LA:
Marleau, 1 yr, $6.25m
Zaitsev, 5 yr, $4.5m
Rasmus Sandin
Jeremy Bracco

To TO:
Clifford, 1 yr, $1.6m
Martinez, 2 yr, $4m
LaDue, 1 yr, $825k

Marleau for Toffoli straight up is a deal Blake shouldn't even consider.

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

I guess we're back to the bread man.

I doubt that. Bernstein can’t even understand the concept of why they’d trade for Marleau (get a draft pick or two, or trade a longer-term contract). It’s called “buying assets.” The Dodgers are a perfect example of doing exactly that. See the Gonzalez trade to Atlanta, the Kemp/Puig trade to Cincinnati, etc.

He is such a moron.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Understandable

As Hawks fan I would have loved to see one of them on Hawks and we finally have cap room and assets to make a big move to try and get back to being contender

Having Kopitar or Doughty would have IMO been able to speed up our own rebuild/retool

They SHOULD be available is this franchise was rebuilding correctly. But they very likely aren’t.

One of those situations where a player is more valuable to his own team than anyone else for reasons beyond just Xs and Os.