Rumor: Planning Ahead: 2019 Off-Season Part 2

[kingsboy11]

I don't think the Kings should commit to a guy like Zaitsev. I can see a deal to worked out with Marleau, but if a deal isn't made it hurts Toronto more. Leafs need to get out of contracts for Marner's deal and there's only 3 teams that Marleau would realistically go to. Sharks have already moved on, doubt the Ducks would want him so that only leaves the Kings as a trading partner which gives us all the leverage. Giving them Kovalchuk doesn't help them so that's off the table. There's got to be something good coming back in order for this to work and if it doesn't work out that's not our loss.

 

[Reaper45]

That's a great angle. Marleau waives now to go to a crap team but with the caveat that Blake will flip him--even for a conditional pick if Marleau looks washed--at the deadline to a contender for his last shot at a Cup.

100%

 

[SFKingshomer]

I'd want Johnsson or Kapanen if I'm taking on the term for Zaitsev. I think they can afford to lose 1 of those guys and call up Bracco to replace them.

 

[johnjm22]

I'm fine with taking on Marleau for a pick/prospect, but my issue is that it potentially takes away a roster spot. And you're probably not getting a 1st round pick back, more like a 2nd.

LW's:

Kovalchuk
Marleau
Iafallo
Clifford
Grundstrom

Possibly Kempe as well.

 

[justafan22]

I'll take Marleau, Jeremy Bracco or Dmytro Timashov, a 2019 5th round pick and a 2020 2nd round pick for a 2019 6th round pick and Derek Forbort.

Assuming no retention on marleau that's a fair deal regardless of prospect

 

[AzKing]

Toronto most likely isn’t taking a player off our roster in return. They need space. This is a cap dump.

I don’t see the Kings taking Zaitzev either. Overpriced underperforming player they don’t want on a team of overpaid underperforming vets already.

 

[Sol]

What do you think the Kings can realistically get for a guy with only one year left

 

[KINGS17]

What do you think the Kings can realistically get for a guy with only one year left

Even if it's Marleau and a 2nd round pick for the Kings 6th round pick, It's better than nothing.

Then consider what Marleau might bring in a deal at the trade deadline. Probably another 2nd at least.

 

[Blue Goose]

I'd easily take Marleau and then deal him at the deadline. Just make it worthwhile and I'd hope the Kings would take Zaitzev too.

I'd want Johnsson or Kapanen if I'm taking on the term for Zaitsev. I think they can afford to lose 1 of those guys and call up Bracco to replace them.

Had a question for you all (and I wanted to avoid the thread on the main board): if the Kings did get Johnsson/Kapanen for taking on Zaitsev, does it block anyone in the system at RD? I mean, you'd have Doughty and Zaitsev as two of your RD for the next several years - are there any RHD in the system that would suffer as a result of Zaitsev taking on the roster spot? I feel like Durzi will need some AHL time, and I don't see all of LaDue/Walker/Roy being with the team long-term. Just curious...

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Toronto most likely isn’t taking a player off our roster in return. They need space. This is a cap dump.

I don’t see the Kings taking Zaitzev either. Overpriced underperforming player they don’t want on a team of overpaid underperforming vets already.

A Marleau for Clifford, Forbort, and Lewis deal could make sense for Toronto. They can use Forbort next year on defense with Gardiner walking or they could buy out all three and only have a 1.7 mil cap hit compared to the 6.25 they have with Marleau.

 

[Kingspiracy]

A Marleau for Clifford, Forbort, and Lewis deal could make sense for Toronto. They can use Forbort next year on defense with Gardiner walking or they could buy out all three and only have a 1.7 mil cap hit compared to the 6.25 they have with Marleau.

Id rather have Clifford than Marleau

 

[KingsFan7824]

Yeah, I don't get why people are ripping Blake if that rumor is true. If he gets nothing for the effort, then it's ripping time. If he gets an asset or two to take Marleau, welcome aboard Pat. Hang on the beach, get some minutes, maybe get traded at the deadline. It's all good.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Id rather have Clifford than Marleau

That's fair enough. You could keep Clifford and move Lewis and Forbort for him and maybe a draft pick or something. The idea makes sense and Toronto can at least take back contracts that also expire when Marleau's does.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Id rather have Clifford than Marleau

Can always get him back next summer if it's that important. Although don't pay him more than the $1.9m in actual money he's already making.

 

[Kingspiracy]

That's fair enough. You could keep Clifford and move Lewis and Forbort for him and maybe a draft pick or something. The idea makes sense and Toronto can at least take back contracts that also expire when Marleau's does.

I dont see the incentive for La unless its something like marleau and a 2nd for a 7th.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

It's still cap management. There was no need to pay RFA Matthews that kind of money, especially if the organization was going to go out and acquire Tavares. It's too much cap space devoted to too few players that will do in the Leafs.

I kind of agree but it's too much cap space to too many players, imo. It's not Matthews alone, it's Matthews Tavares Nylander (Marner) and no elite 1D in sight (god bless Reilly's growth but he's not that guy) and the problem of guys like Zaitsev forcing guys like Johnsson/Kapanen out already without them having won anything.

Before laughing at this trade, remember Marleu is on an expiring contract and we don’t need cap space for next season since we are not competing. We should be taking on a bad contract for assets if that is the deal being discussed. Maybe the deal will involve Lewis going back the other way as well.

I highly doubt this move is for the purpose of hoping Marleu rebounds and we compete for the cup.

I agree but the only beef I have with it is that Blake can sell it as either.

Had a question for you all (and I wanted to avoid the thread on the main board): if the Kings did get Johnsson/Kapanen for taking on Zaitsev, does it block anyone in the system at RD? I mean, you'd have Doughty and Zaitsev as two of your RD for the next several years - are there any RHD in the system that would suffer as a result of Zaitsev taking on the roster spot? I feel like Durzi will need some AHL time, and I don't see all of LaDue/Walker/Roy being with the team long-term. Just curious...

To be brief: nope.

If LaDue/Walker can't get past Zaitsev, it's their own fault. Only other ones are Matt Roy, Austin Strand, and Durzi. And probably at least one pick this year I'm guessing.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I dont see the incentive for La unless its something like marleau and a 2nd for a 7th.

I would think a draft pick or a prospect may also be included in such a deal but they may also bank on getting a draft pick in a deal at the deadline for Marleau as well.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

A Marleau for Clifford, Forbort, and Lewis deal could make sense for Toronto. They can use Forbort next year on defense with Gardiner walking or they could buy out all three and only have a 1.7 mil cap hit compared to the 6.25 they have with Marleau.

I can't see TO wanting anyone in that deal but Clifford. Lewis is redundant depth for that team and I can't see a plodder like Forbort having any success in their up-tempo stretch-pass-heavy system. Plus LA gets really nothing out of it, needs a sweetener. But I get the idea.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I can't see TO wanting anyone in that deal but Clifford. Lewis is redundant depth for that team and I can't see a plodder like Forbort having any success in their up-tempo stretch-pass-heavy system. Plus LA gets really nothing out of it, needs a sweetener. But I get the idea.

I can see Toronto taking those two simply because of the buyout option helps them. If the contracts they took back were those two, buying them out would reduce a 6.25 mil cap hit down to about 1.3 mil next season saving them almost 5 million.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I can see Toronto taking those two simply because of the buyout option helps them. If the contracts they took back were those two, buying them out would reduce a 6.25 mil cap hit down to about 1.3 mil next season saving them almost 5 million.

Yeah was going to go back and edit, didn't see initially your emphasis on the buyout option. Makes a bit of sense.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Yeah was going to go back and edit, didn't see initially your emphasis on the buyout option. Makes a bit of sense.

But I do agree that it likely still involves some future asset. I don't think it would be a huge one but some decent asset like a 2nd or a 3rd and/or someone like Bracco or whoever.

 

[Little Psycho]

So far we have

• Knows TM
• One of his kids loves the kings
• Most likely to get traded to a contender during the deadline

Yup, he's going to become a king. Better get a good draft pick or prospect.

 

[crassbonanza]

The more time that passes by the more and more apparent it becomes that Blake is an idiot.

Why? Because he is potentially leveraging cap space for additional assets? You think that is an idiotic move?

 

[crassbonanza]

Toronto most likely isn’t taking a player off our roster in return. They need space. This is a cap dump.

Pretty sure in the LeBrun tweet that started this rumor he mentioned that the Leafs would need to take back a player or two.

 

[kings11]

Even if it's Marleau and a 2nd round pick for the Kings 6th round pick, It's better than nothing.

Then consider what Marleau might bring in a deal at the trade deadline. Probably another 2nd at least.

On top of this i'd expect the return to be even a bit more if we absorb all of Marleau's salary.. like Bracco and a 2020 3rd or 4th...
They desperately need to shed salary now that Marner wants the big bucks so the TML have zero leverage