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Rumor: Planning Ahead: 2019 Off-Season Part 2

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Chazz Reinhold said:
I doubt that. Bernstein can’t even understand the concept of why they’d trade for Marleau (get a draft pick or two, or trade a longer-term contract). It’s called “buying assets.” The Dodgers are a perfect example of doing exactly that. See the Gonzalez trade to Atlanta, the Kemp/Puig trade to Cincinnati, etc.

He is such a moron.
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Short-sighted media people who only look to the next season and ask, "Why?". Some of these guys are not the brightest crayons in the box.
 
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Ziggy Stardust said:
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I can understand why Toronto would walk away if Blake was insisting they take back another contract with term, even if the cap hit is less. That kind of deal makes no sense from Toronto's perspective, and if Blake was insisting on this, then he blew it. The only players under contract with the Kings who fit that description are:

Kovalchuk
Brown
Carter
Phaneuf
Martinez
Quick

I doubt Toronto wants anything to do with Kovalchuk, Carter, Phaneuf, or Quick at this time, so if it was one of those Blake wanted to include in the deal, he needs to wise up.

I could see a trade here where Blake is hoping to expand the deal and move Martinez for younger assets coming back from Toronto. I could even see Brown be traded if Toronto is one of the seven teams on his list. Maybe those two aren't players that interest Toronto. If this is the case, then it was worth a try on Blake's part. In any event it would seem if Toronto wants to move Marleau, then they are going to have to dance to his music and possibly Blake's as well. Time is on Blake's side here, let's see how this plays out.
 
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KINGS17 said:
I can understand why Toronto would walk away if Blake was insisting they take back another contract with term, even if the cap hit is less. That kind of deal makes no sense from Toronto's perspective, and if Blake was insisting on this, then he blew it. The only players under contract with the Kings who fit that description are:

Kovalchuk
Brown
Carter
Phaneuf
Martinez
Quick

I doubt Toronto wants anything to do with Kovalchuk, Carter, Phaneuf, or Quick at this time, so if it was one of those Blake wanted to include in the deal, he needs to wise up.

I could see a trade here where Blake is hoping to expand the deal and move Martinez for younger assets coming back from Toronto. I could even see Brown be traded if Toronto is one of the seven teams on his list. Maybe those two aren't players that interest Toronto. If this is the case, then it was worth a try on Blake's part. In any event it would seem if Toronto wants to move Marleau, then they are going to have to dance to his music and possibly Blake's as well. Time is on Blake's side here, let's see how this plays out.
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Yeah, I'm seeing way too much commentary (mostly elsewhere) about how Blake and LA are blowing it but it's like...Marleau has a NTC. Blake gets what he wants, or no one does. TO has literally zero leverage here, they need to dump some salary and they need someone to throw them a lifejacket. I don't want us to be the team to bail them out if we don't get something magnificent out of it. In a vacuum it would be nice to just upgrade a pick or something but not given the context. Not sure how Blake has done anything 'wrong' yet other than not completely stealing Dubas' wardrobe.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
Yeah, I'm seeing way too much commentary (mostly elsewhere) about how Blake and LA are blowing it but it's like...Marleau has a NTC. Blake gets what he wants, or no one does. TO has literally zero leverage here, they need to dump some salary and they need someone to throw them a lifejacket. I don't want us to be the team to bail them out if we don't get something magnificent out of it. In a vacuum it would be nice to just upgrade a pick or something but not given the context. Not sure how Blake has done anything 'wrong' yet other than not completely stealing Dubas' wardrobe.
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Totally agree - we get Marleau on our terms or not at all. Let’s see what Dubas is gonna do to get Marner signed. His choices could be down to get rid of Marleau or Nylander or Kadri/Zaitsev.
 
Sleeping Dog said:
While I agree with you, Brown only has a $2.1M hit for one year. Not sure how much cap relief they’ll get considering they’ll need to replace him.
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Every penny counts for a team like the Leafs especially IF they cannot move a guy like Marleau.

I wouldn’t move Kadri if I were the Leafs but, it wouldn’t be a surprise if he got dealt.
 
kovacro said:
Every penny counts for a team like the Leafs especially IF they cannot move a guy like Marleau.

I wouldn’t move Kadri if I were the Leafs but, it wouldn’t be a surprise if he got dealt.
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Yes, TML/Dubas will be having some tough choices to make.
 
I think any team is making a mistake in paying three players over $30M. Toronto would be smart to trade Marner and get two or three players to fill out the holes in their roster. They probably already made a fatal error in giving Matthews to much money as an RFA. The Leafs either needed to forego the Matthews deal or the Tavares acquisition.

There were/are plenty of more affordable options for a 2C.
 
KINGS17 said:
I think any team is making a mistake in paying three players over $30M. Toronto would be smart to trade Marner and get two or three players to fill out the holes in their roster. They probably already made a fatal error in giving Matthews to much money as an RFA. The Leafs either needed to forego the Matthews deal or the Tavares acquisition.

There were/are plenty of more affordable options for a 2C.
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In my opinion they should have never been in on Tavares. Yea he is the local boy but they needed and still need help on the back end and we’re loaded upfront. If it ends up costing Marner it will turn out to be a nightmare of a decision.
 
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go4hockey said:
In my opinion they should have never been in on Tavares. Yea he is the local boy but they needed and still need help on the back end and we’re loaded upfront. If it ends up costing Marner it will turn out to be a nightmare of a decision.
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Yeah but Tavares has been nowhere and won jack shit. How could they not be tempted by someone with such storied non-success? It is the Leafs after all...
 
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So apparently Nick Kypreos mentioned on the HNIC broadcast earlier this evening that Marleau has told the Leafs he is willing to waive his no trade.

Family moving back to San Jose.

Arizona, Colorado and LA mentioned as destinations.

I’m guessing this could be an on again, off again type thing until just before free agency.
 
Sorry, but I f***ing love it.

I remember when the Tavares deal was signed, Leafs fans thought they had a contender.

Then someone posted a poll about what a 'successful' season would constitute for the Leafs and I said anything short of the ECF would be bad news, but anything less than a 1st round victory/2nd round appearance would be an utter failure because that's a lack of progress. I remember a lot of them hedging on that, saying it's a young team and that's not fair, but three consecutive first round losses by what is now a cap team with roster woes has to be a concern.

Well, here we are. A cap team with three consecutive first round losses trying desperately to find ways to shed middle class contracts because the GM blew his wad too early and on the wrong thing. Shaky defense, fragile goaltending, and high-dollar forwards demanding their worth.

I'm trying not to delight in it because TO is an exciting young team but after all the lectures on how to build a true champion and what an idiot cap-spending GMs must be for losing players the schaudenfraude is too much to not smile at, especially given Dl/Bowman/even Chiarelli WON--multiple times even--before running into these issues. Meanwhile, you have all the GMs HF has been fawning over getting nuked out in the first round and now trying to rechart their courses. Delicious.

And it's not like it's rocket science, either--if your players perform, they're going to get paid. Simple. But some fans are living in magical unicorn rainbow land where Mitch Marner is going to sign for 8 million on consecutive one year deals for max flexibility to keep the band together or some shit and he should be ever so grateful Toronto even employs him.
 
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KINGS17 said:
I think any team is making a mistake in paying three players over $30M. Toronto would be smart to trade Marner and get two or three players to fill out the holes in their roster. They probably already made a fatal error in giving Matthews to much money as an RFA. The Leafs either needed to forego the Matthews deal or the Tavares acquisition.

There were/are plenty of more affordable options for a 2C.
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While Marner will command the bigger bucks, I'd move Nylander or Kadri before Marner.
 
KINGS17 said:
...and there goes your depth. If the Leafs trade Marner, they could likely get a solid top 4 defenseman and a top 9 forward.
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Kadri being depth, yes, Nylander no. But while Kadri is a natural center and perfectly slotted as a 3rd, Nylander can apparently play both RW and in the middle. The guy is soft as hell - I can't see him thriving there.

They'd still have to sign their other two RFA's in Johnsson & Kapanen that will command some hefty paychecks as well.

UFA's on the back end are Hainsey and Gardiner but now with Zaitsev wanting out, they'll have even more juggling.

Definitely interesting to see how all of this shakes out for them.

If you ask Leaf fans here on HF, they insist Marleau will be traded because other teams should only be so lucky to have him in their lineup.
 
kovacro said:
So apparently Nick Kypreos mentioned on the HNIC broadcast earlier this evening that Marleau has told the Leafs he is willing to waive his no trade.

Family moving back to San Jose.

Arizona, Colorado and LA mentioned as destinations.

I’m guessing this could be an on again, off again type thing until just before free agency.
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I can't imagine Colorado having any interest unless they are getting one of the young defensemen in the deal. Arizona on the other hand is always interested in younger, less expensive assets and that's what it would take from Toronto in the form of picks or prospects to move Marleau to Arizona.
 
Peter James Bond II said:
To TOR:
Doughty

To LA:
Kapanen
Kadri
Zaitsev
Marleau

The Marleau rumors could be true...Tor has to get out of Cap hell...and althugh Doughty
says "I'm on board for whatever the future is here" - of COURSE he will say that!
What would you expect? He's not going to say "I don't want to be part of this rebuild"
and may truly want out and go home and have a shot to play for a Cup with the Leafs.

If the Kings got back the salaries of: Kadri, Zaitsev , Marleau, and what they have
to pay Kapanen, the Leafs can afford to pay DD and Marner. Don't underestimate Kadri,
a year from his 30 goal season....of course he's not going to score 30 from line 3.
Kapanen is a future borderline star...and could play with Kupari by next yr.

Kadri and Kapanen replace Carter and Toffoli thank God!!!! Do not think DD can fetch more
than this. If so, try to get their #1 2020 and send LA #2 2020 to them. Marleau is gone in 300 days from now...no big deal. Trade TT for anything and
waive Carter. No, he cannot play third line C or RW on any line. He's done.

Brown Kopitar Kapanen
Prokhorkin Kadri Kovalchuk
Gundstrom Kempe JAD
Clifford Amadio Wagner
Luff
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f*** No . Are you a Kings fan or Toronto fan ??

It’s basically Doughty for Kadri and Kapanen .... which Doughty is worth lot more . He’s irreplaceable and a franchise generational Dman. Any trade with Doughty regardless of age includes Marner or Matthews . Which won’t happen , f***kkkkkk nooooo
 
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KingsHockey24 said:
Forbort-Doughty
Anderson-Martinez
Clague-Roy/Walker

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You start that defense you'll be picking #1 overall. it will look more like Doughty-Hopefully a trade
Trade-Martinez
Trade-Walker
You cannot go into a season with a defense full of kids AND have Quick back there. You're wasting an asset. The defense is going to look vastly different next season at the expense of the forwards.
 
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