Rumor: Planning Ahead: 2019 Off-Season Part 2

[KINGS17]

Coached the Kings for less than four seasons, yet ranks 5th all times in games coached. Believe it or not, Andy Murray holds the Kings record for games coached at 480.

Andy Murray was a good man, and a good coach. At the time he might have been one of the better tournament coaches in the world. He seemed to be able to get his teams to outperform their talent level in tournaments.

 

[kilowatt]

I remember when LaBarbera was the savior of the franchise who was a waiver risk stuck in Manchester. LA is definitely good as getting the most out of their goaltending prospects and developing the best they can while they are here.

Erik Ersberg - the Swedish meatball - really could’ve been something.

 

[Mats26]

I could see the Kings extending Campbell and exposing him in the 2021 expansion draft, though that would mean potentially carrying three goalies for a season.

I was thinking the same thing. Here is something to think about. What if Jack has a stellar start , I mean they have been preaching on the young guys to steal jobs but what if Jack steals Quick's job this year. Are we just going to trade him at the TDL for a pick when we know he can handle the work load. We'll get peanuts in a trade since he is a UFA.

 

[YP44]

I remember when LaBarbera was the savior of the franchise who was a waiver risk stuck in Manchester. LA is definitely good as getting the most out of their goaltending prospects and developing the best they can while they are here.

When LaBarbera was the best goalie in the AHL during the lockout year I thought for sure he was LA's goalie of the future. Than when LA drafted Bernier I again thought ok we are very solid at goal.
Just shows you never know with goalies and you should never draft in round 1.

 

[Brodeur]

Just shows you never know with goalies and you should never draft in round 1.

Luongo, Brodeur, Price, Vasilevskiy, Rask......

I don't know if the Kings are better with say Peter Mueller, Michael Frolik, Michael Grabner, Jiri Tlusty instead of Bernier. When people speak of goalies not working out in the first round, it's almost like there's an implication that forwards always become first liners.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Andy did hang around for a longer period of time than I thought.

And he would've had more games under his belt had the 2004-05 season not been lost to a lockout. Though he may have also lost his job after that season and not be behind the bench in 2005-06.

He made the most out of a patchwork team and had the misfortune of dealing with tons of injuries and a series of subpar goaltending (save for Felix Potvin's two-year run).

 

[YP44]

Luongo, Brodeur, Price, Vasilevskiy, Rask......

I don't know if the Kings are better with say Peter Mueller, Michael Frolik, Michael Grabner, Jiri Tlusty instead of Bernier. When people speak of goalies not working out in the first round, it's almost like there's an implication that forwards always become first liners.

Luongo - never a star with the team that drafted him
Brodeur - was the 2nd goalie taken that draft behind Trevor Kidd
Price - Legit
MAF - Legit (felt like he needs to be on this list)
Vasilevsky - Legit
Rask - Never a starter with the team that drafted him

I don't expect every first round forward to become first liners but there are 12 NHL staring spots that need to be filled with the forwards. Your chances of drafting a NHL player that is a forward in the first are > than goalie even if it lower down the lineup than first liner and goalies take longer to develop.

I know you can produce more goalies taken in the first round that worked but there could also be a huge list for goalies who did not. It's not that Goalies cannot work in the first round I just think it is too much a gamble and crap shoot. Goalies are harder for scouts to forecast what they will develop into and when.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

The Isles and Leafs foolishly dealt Luongo and Rask. They were mocked for those trades immediately, and they were proven to be costly mistakes for both teams.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

The Avs locked up 24-year-old forward J.T. Compher for four years at $3.5M.

Bringing him up as a comparison to Kempe, who is two years younger, and has produced similar numbers.

A bridge deal for Kempe seems to make the most sense since we still don't know exactly what his offensive ceiling is. Maybe he can flourish under Todd McLellan.

 

[Brodeur]

The "never was a star for the team that drafted him" seems a bit unfair. Luongo was traded after 24 NHL games by Mike Milbury and a new ownership group who fell in love with Rick DiPietro; I always enjoy that one of those owners ended up in prison several years later. Toronto traded Rask a year after being drafted, it wasn't like he languished in their system for several years. And comically Toronto thought they had another equivalent goalie prospect in Justin Pogge, so they felt like they could deal Rask to get immediate help.

Kidd obviously didn't pan out as expected, but have you seen the other names drafted around him? John Slaney and Drake Berehowsky directly in front of him. Turner Stevenson, Brad May, Karl Dykhuis amongst others behind him. So it's not as though Kidd was the only journeyman taken in that area. It's easy to pick out "Oh well, they could have taken Keith Tkachuk" but that's a little unfair.

There's not always going to be a goalie worth being taken highly. And sure, I agree that you should take somebody with 1st line upside over a goalie. But once you get out of the top tier of the draft, I think we let the new car smell on some of these prospects imply greater upsides than they really have.

 

[kings11]

And he would've had more games under his belt had the 2004-05 season not been lost to a lockout. Though he may have also lost his job after that season and not be behind the bench in 2005-06.

He made the most out of a patchwork team and had the misfortune of dealing with tons of injuries and a series of subpar goaltending (save for Felix Potvin's two-year run).

You can thank Cammy for his cry baby antics for Andy getting axed.. among other players taht felt they didnt need motivation and gimmicks when it was clear they didnt do squat before he arrived

 

[YP44]

The Avs locked up 24-year-old forward J.T. Compher for four years at $3.5M.

Bringing him up as a comparison to Kempe, who is two years younger, and has produced similar numbers.

A bridge deal for Kempe seems to make the most sense since we still don't know exactly what his offensive ceiling is. Maybe he can flourish under Todd McLellan.

wasn't there a tweet yesterday saying he was getting a 3 year deal?

 

[YP44]

And he would've had more games under his belt had the 2004-05 season not been lost to a lockout. Though he may have also lost his job after that season and not be behind the bench in 2005-06.

He made the most out of a patchwork team and had the misfortune of dealing with tons of injuries and a series of subpar goaltending (save for Felix Potvin's two-year run).

I wonder how long his tenure would have been without all of those injuries

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

wasn't there a tweet yesterday saying he was getting a 3 year deal?

I think John Hoven tweeted that, and to his credit, he did call the Cal Petersen extension days before it was announced.

 

[kingsholygrail]

We'll never know what Rick could have done if he wasn't made of glass.

 

[Choralone]

Andy Murray was a good man, and a good coach. At the time he might have been one of the better tournament coaches in the world. He seemed to be able to get his teams to outperform their talent level in tournaments.

I've said it before on here, but he seems to be just a really decent man - the kind of person I'd like as a coach for my own son.

 

[KingsFan7824]

I was thinking the same thing. Here is something to think about. What if Jack has a stellar start , I mean they have been preaching on the young guys to steal jobs but what if Jack steals Quick's job this year. Are we just going to trade him at the TDL for a pick when we know he can handle the work load. We'll get peanuts in a trade since he is a UFA.

Something else to think about if Campbell steals Quick's job; Quick's value goes even lower(try building him up as the best big game goalie in the league at that point), and you have to sell Petersen for peanuts. However it shakes out, it's unlikely they come out ahead in value for goalies.

Have they ever come out ahead on a goalie? Jones was in the same rock/hard place position that Campbell and Petersen are in now, because Quick wasn't going anywhere in 2015, and can't go anywhere in 2019. I guess getting a 3rd for Scrivens wasn't bad. Speaking of Bernier, was Frattin, a goalie, and a 2nd good value for a guy you took 11th overall and lost his goalie of the future job to a 3rd round pick? Budaj was more of a throw in for roster purposes when he went to TB. Bishop got a 4th, and the player they eventually took with the pick will be starting to get into some pro games in the AHL this year.

 

[Kingsfan1]

I think John Hoven tweeted that, and to his credit, he did call the Cal Petersen extension days before it was announced.

If Kempe signs for 3 years does that take him to UFA or RFA ?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

If Kempe signs for 3 years does that take him to UFA or RFA ?

He'll still be a RFA at 25.

 

[Butch 19]

I might be late to this but did anybody see Quick went to DaveArt this year for his helmet instead of Eye Candy Air? Wonder if it means he’s ditching the knight helmet design, that’ll be depressing. I felt it was iconic like the goalies of old.

I admit it, Quick's mask needs a fresh start / update.

However Dave Art does not inspire much - they all look alike. I hope Quick makes good choices in his new mask design

 

[KINGS17]

I admit it, Quick's mask needs a fresh start / update.

However Dave Art does not inspire much - they all look alike. I hope Quick makes good choices in his new mask design

I dunno, I thought the one he did for Bernie in tribute to Vachon was top notch.

 

[lumbergh]

Something else to think about if Campbell steals Quick's job; Quick's value goes even lower(try building him up as the best big game goalie in the league at that point), and you have to sell Petersen for peanuts. However it shakes out, it's unlikely they come out ahead in value for goalies.

Have they ever come out ahead on a goalie? Jones was in the same rock/hard place position that Campbell and Petersen are in now, because Quick wasn't going anywhere in 2015, and can't go anywhere in 2019. I guess getting a 3rd for Scrivens wasn't bad. Speaking of Bernier, was Frattin, a goalie, and a 2nd good value for a guy you took 11th overall and lost his goalie of the future job to a 3rd round pick? Budaj was more of a throw in for roster purposes when he went to TB. Bishop got a 4th, and the player they eventually took with the pick will be starting to get into some pro games in the AHL this year.

If I were the Kings I would ease Quick into a backup role over the next year. Maybe he plays 45-50 games in 2019-20. If he gets his mojo back, great; if not, the next season he's playing 30-35 games. If they never move him and let him finish his contract as a Kings, that's not a bad thing, in my opinion. He's earned it.

Hopefully Petersen lives up to his potential and earns the starting job.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

When LaBarbera was the best goalie in the AHL during the lockout year I thought for sure he was LA's goalie of the future. Than when LA drafted Bernier I again thought ok we are very solid at goal.
Just shows you never know with goalies and you should never draft in round 1.

Correct, but not only with goalies.

Within four years we will laugh at some of our possible line ups that were posted here the last couple of months.

 

[The Tikkanen]

Correct, but not only with goalies.

Within four years we will laugh at some of our possible line ups that were posted here the last couple of months.

There were a lot of King fans who went to bat for LaBarbera stating he was a #1. Hopefully they donned the scarlet L and wear it with pride.

 

[Herby]

Andy is in the right spot, working with younger players and developing them not only as hockey players but as people. There is a reason alot of NHL players send their kids to play for him. But he was not fit to be coaching professional players at the highest level.