Rumor: Planning Ahead: 2019 Off-Season Part 2

[Raccoon Jesus]

The continued drabness has really matched the franchise since 2014.

I'd love for them to do some sort of refresh starting with maybe the 20-21 season to usher in a new decade and hopefully the start of a youth movement and fresh faces. With Luc at the helm and the Kings winning in the current jerseys, it probably won't happen. That being said, this franchise has not been shy about changing its sweater designs.

So Luc is getting fired in 2021?

Dudes 24. At which point do the Kings try him as number 1?

Not sure you saw my post re: goalies but only 4 starting goalies are under 26 and they're the high pedigree, high draft ones. Petersen is stuck behind an aging elite goalie and another good one, one of them has to go first, and if even he started at age 26, he'd still be on the bottom third of the starter aging curve.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Dudes 24. At which point do the Kings try him as number 1?

I'm sure it's going to happen sooner rather than later. Binnington just turned 26 and was an afterthought until this season. There's the rare instance of a Tim Thomas who finally earned a starting role in his 30s, but I'm sure Petersen will have established himself well before he reaches his 30s. Niemi was 26 when he was the Hawks starter, and Crawford was also 26 when he took over their net. Petersen will be on his way as a starter by the time he's 26.

 

[Brodeur]

Wish Blake would trade Campbell and roll with Quick/Petersen.

I think that's gonna be what ends up happening. As it is, virtually every team has its NHL starter-backup set; Colorado possibly would want a more proven backup than Pavel Francouz, but they're paying him 950K and Columbus insists that it's going with Korpisalo/Merzlikins. So Blake might have to be patient and wait until closer to the deadline for other dominoes to fall. In the mean time it's not the worst scenario for Petersen to get regular game action in the AHL rather than backing up Quick.

Detroit seems like a good landing spot. Howard is on a one year deal, so it's possible that they will move him to a contender with an iffy situation at the deadline. The Yzerman/Detroit model tends to skimp on paying for goaltending if possible. While in Tampa he acquired some unproven starters like Dan Ellis, Anders Lindback, and a younger Ben Bishop. Campbell's from Michigan, and the Wings would be one of the few teams that might look at him as a starter so that might make some sense for the player as well.

 

[KingsHockey24]

Wraparounds don't win faceoffs.

Wrap around goals and sweaters > Faceoffs and dumb penalties

 

[KingsHockey24]

Please add my man Handzus at least as a spare. At worst he can run the warmups before the game.

No stopping the Frolov/Handzus/Simmonds line.

 

[KingsFan7824]

The century begun in 01/01/01

Dudes 24. At which point do the Kings try him as number 1?

Going by the contract he signed, it won't be until at least Sept 2020.

 

[tomd]

I think that's gonna be what ends up happening. As it is, virtually every team has its NHL starter-backup set; Colorado possibly would want a more proven backup than Pavel Francouz, but they're paying him 950K and Columbus insists that it's going with Korpisalo/Merzlikins. So Blake might have to be patient and wait until closer to the deadline for other dominoes to fall. In the mean time it's not the worst scenario for Petersen to get regular game action in the AHL rather than backing up Quick.

Detroit seems like a good landing spot. Howard is on a one year deal, so it's possible that they will move him to a contender with an iffy situation at the deadline. The Yzerman/Detroit model tends to skimp on paying for goaltending if possible. While in Tampa he acquired some unproven starters like Dan Ellis, Anders Lindback, and a younger Ben Bishop. Campbell's from Michigan, and the Wings would be one of the few teams that might look at him as a starter so that might make some sense for the player as well.

But why would Detroit give up anything beyond a 7th for a pending UFA? Detroit is going to be out of the playoff hunt by Christmas so why would they care who replaces Howard for the last 25 games of the year if Howard is dealt?

 

[The Tikkanen]

There are always a lot of injuries to goalies during the season, there will be a place fo Petersen to land.

 

[lumbergh]

Wish Blake would trade Campbell and roll with Quick/Petersen.

Pretty sure this was the plan even before the ink dried on Cal’s contract.

 

[DoktorJeep]

Looks like the plan is to slow roll the kids in Ontario, which I’m ok with in principle and assuming they show development in the AHL.

I’ve resigned myself to Quick retiring a King, so it makes sense to plan for Petersen in the A, Quick and Soupy to start the season. Cal gets spot duty if Quick is injured and Campbell is traded by the deadline for futures.

2020 season has a 1a / 1b platoon situation in goal, with Cal taking 1a by 2021.

 

[Brodeur]

But why would Detroit give up anything beyond a 7th for a pending UFA? Detroit is going to be out of the playoff hunt by Christmas so why would they care who replaces Howard for the last 25 games of the year if Howard is dealt?

Certainly no guarantees that they'd give up anything and could gamble that they could land him as a UFA. But it's not unusual for non-playoff clubs to acquire a potential starting goalie for the following season. I'm reminded of the 2007 Flyers trading what they knew would be a high 2nd round pick to get Martin Biron at the deadline and they extended him for a couple years afterwards. Perhaps a more comparable recent example is Ottawa trading for Anders Nilsson last season and extending him. They didn't give up much since Vancouver was happy to shed the salary, so Campbell would be in a slightly different boat since he's cheap for this season.

Campbell just seems like the type of goalie Yzerman could target. Like I mentioned previously, Yzerman traded for Anders Lindback (24 at the time) and Ben Bishop (26) when they were unproven hoping they could become decent starters making below average money. I'm not saying Campbell would land a huge bounty by any means, but he might be an attractive commodity if he were to repeat his numbers from last season.

 

[tomd]

Certainly no guarantees that they'd give up anything and could gamble that they could land him as a UFA. But it's not unusual for non-playoff clubs to acquire a potential starting goalie for the following season. I'm reminded of the 2007 Flyers trading what they knew would be a high 2nd round pick to get Martin Biron at the deadline and they extended him for a couple years afterwards. Perhaps a more comparable recent example is Ottawa trading for Anders Nilsson last season and extending him. They didn't give up much since Vancouver was happy to shed the salary, so Campbell would be in a slightly different boat since he's cheap for this season.

Campbell just seems like the type of goalie Yzerman could target. Like I mentioned previously, Yzerman traded for Anders Lindback (24 at the time) and Ben Bishop (26) when they were unproven hoping they could become decent starters making below average money. I'm not saying Campbell would land a huge bounty by any means, but he might be an attractive commodity if he were to repeat his numbers from last season.

Well, if I'm Campbell and I have a repeat of last season you'd better believe I'm going to cash in on free agency. That is going to depress his value unless a playoff bound team has an injury. I don't see him going to a non-playoff team unless he bombs next year.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I could see the Kings extending Campbell and exposing him in the 2021 expansion draft, though that would mean potentially carrying three goalies for a season.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Why is Petersen better than Campbell.

Right now Jack has proved more to me and is just 2 years older.

I always read about trading Campbell.

 

[kilowatt]

Why is Petersen better than Campbell.

Right now Jack has proved more to me and is just 2 years older.

I always read about trading Campbell.

Because Petersen is two years younger, and because Quick’s contract is too big to move.

Which sucks, because Campbell might be the most likable guy in the NHL.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Because Petersen is two years younger, and because Quick’s contract is too big to move.

Which sucks, because Campbell might be the most likable guy in the NHL.

Like I said, being two years younger should not be an issue.

Quick, i did not talk about.

 

[DoktorJeep]

Why is Petersen better than Campbell.

Right now Jack has proved more to me and is just 2 years older.

I always read about trading Campbell.

I think the idea is that we’ve seen Campbell’s upside / ceiling and it’s an nhl backup not starter. With CP there is still hope for a higher ceiling to his nhl game.

 

[KingsFan7824]

I could see the Kings extending Campbell and exposing him in the 2021 expansion draft, though that would mean potentially carrying three goalies for a season.

You expose Quick. If Seattle wants him at 35 for 2 more years, more power to them. Fleury isn't even 35 yet, and it's been 2 years since Vegas picked him. One way or another, Campbell will very likely not be a King beyond June 30th, 2020 at the latest.

 

[YP44]

Why is Petersen better than Campbell.

Right now Jack has proved more to me and is just 2 years older.

I always read about trading Campbell.

I agree but I think there is a market for Campbell and I want Blake to take advantage of it.

That said I want our AHL team to be competitive this year and you need a goalie for that

 

[kings11]

I think the idea is that we’ve seen Campbell’s upside / ceiling and it’s an nhl backup not starter. With CP there is still hope for a higher ceiling to his nhl game.

I think your assessment is inaccurate. Campbvell looked really, really good last season with a shit defense in his 20+ games. He was agressive, composed and athletic.. Should Quick go down for the rest of the upcoming season, Campbell would easily be my pick over Petersen whom by the way got exposed by teams to his high glove side.. go and rewatch that TML game and see how they sniped and then the games after.. teams began doing the same thing..

 

[Fishhead]

There's not a huge gap between Petersen and Campbell, trading either would work out.

If we are being completely honest, it's really difficult to gauge how "good" goalies are in the Kings system. I don't think the Kings have some magical scouting method where they can identify young potential starters or how to get the best out of vets better than anyone else, it's all in their development system and how they train goalies to their system. Quick has been amazing, Bernier was solid, Jones was fantastic, Petersen and Campbell look really good and so on. Then there were the vets - Budaj had a renaissance, the professor put up career numbers, Enroth and Kuemper both put up career best numbers in the limited times they played. Literally the only one that has failed in a long time is Zatkoff, and they had traded him before.

There is no doubt that other GM's see this pattern and take this into account. It increases our players value for some teams and decreases it for others. Almost everyone sees an increase in numbers when they move on from the Kings, Jones probably did the best, but after that one good year his numbers have slowly ballooned.

One things I DO think the Kings are better at than any other team with regards to goalies is identifying guys that are teachable.

 

[dman3474]

It'll be interesting to see how Jack does this season, if he has a bad game how he comes back from it too. We will get to see how he responds and how he moves forward. See if Ranford can help keep his game up or if Dusty was the one who kept him together.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Coached the Kings for less than four seasons, yet ranks 5th all time in games coached. Believe it or not, Andy Murray holds the Kings record for games coached at 480.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Coached the Kings for less than four seasons, yet ranks 5th all times in games coached. Believe it or not, Andy Murray holds the Kings record for games coached at 480.

Andy did hang around for a longer period of time than I thought.

 

[Telos]

There's not a huge gap between Petersen and Campbell, trading either would work out.

If we are being completely honest, it's really difficult to gauge how "good" goalies are in the Kings system. I don't think the Kings have some magical scouting method where they can identify young potential starters or how to get the best out of vets better than anyone else, it's all in their development system and how they train goalies to their system. Quick has been amazing, Bernier was solid, Jones was fantastic, Petersen and Campbell look really good and so on. Then there were the vets - Budaj had a renaissance, the professor put up career numbers, Enroth and Kuemper both put up career best numbers in the limited times they played. Literally the only one that has failed in a long time is Zatkoff, and they had traded him before.

There is no doubt that other GM's see this pattern and take this into account. It increases our players value for some teams and decreases it for others. Almost everyone sees an increase in numbers when they move on from the Kings, Jones probably did the best, but after that one good year his numbers have slowly ballooned.

One things I DO think the Kings are better at than any other team with regards to goalies is identifying guys that are teachable.

I remember when LaBarbera was the savior of the franchise who was a waiver risk stuck in Manchester. LA is definitely good as getting the most out of their goaltending prospects and developing the best they can while they are here.