Rumor: Planning Ahead: 2019 Off-Season Part 2

[tomd]

There are more savings next year if they buy him out after this season, plus there is only one year after that instead of two. They get cap savings this season but it is right back on them next season, so it doesn't really matter in the context of signing someone good to a long-term deal, something you have to do with UFAs.

Buy him out now and it is simply to free up his spot plus use this year's savings towards taking on some sort of cap dump, if possible.

I guess I did word it wrong though since he would be addition by subtraction as it pertains to competing. It's just that they wouldn't be doing it for the cap savings this year but rather to simply move on.

Further bolstering my point is this fantastic quote from an article in The Athletic today:

As far as the Kings go, they have a lot of other problems they’re dealing with. Panarin would help, but as a scout said to us, L.A. jumping into the free-agency market and bringing in expensive talent on a long-term deal would be adding “**** on ****.”

Yeah, I think if you're not going to add players this year you've (the Kings) have to at least divest themselves of players who are (1) clearly not NHL caliber anymore and (2) contributing to the fat cat losing culture the team is mired in.

I wonder how 8, 11, 23, 32, 77, and a few other veterans reacted to the Athletic quote at the end of your post...

 

[tomd]

Are u sure ? I swear I read earlier in the year either it was Rosen or someone else that Petersen was not waiver exempt . If that’s the case it’s different we can go one more year and see what we got both in the NHL and the farm

Check it out...I may be reading it wrong but sure seems pretty clear:

Cal Petersen Waivers Calculator - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

 

[KingsFan7824]

If they can't trade Quick, you trade Campbell. Campbell isn't sticking around after next year unless they trade Petersen. Assuming Campbell plays well enough to get a good contract.

They're in a bad spot in terms of timing with the goalies. Quick is old, with the money, and the years, and had another injury, and an overall terrible year. Campbell is already 27, a UFA next summer, and has to get a starting job soon if he's ever going to get one. He's made like no money in his career too. Petersen is not some young prospect anymore. He's going to be 25 in October, and is already an RFA this summer. Contractually speaking, the Kings goaltending situation is sort of a mess. If Petersen was 3 or 4 years younger, no problem. If Quick's contract wasn't so long, no problem. If Campbell wasn't free to walk 12 months from now, no matter what the Kings may or may not want, no problem.

As with most things involving the Kings, everything in goal is basically the worst case scenario that could exist in the moment. You know, if Quick had a NMC, Campbell was a UFA now, and Petersen was already 28, that could be worse. Failing all that though, the Kings are probably not currently in a position of strength in terms of finding value in net.

 

[kingsholygrail]

If they can't trade Quick, you trade Campbell. Campbell isn't sticking around after next year unless they trade Petersen. Assuming Campbell plays well enough to get a good contract.

They're in a bad spot in terms of timing with the goalies. Quick is old, with the money, and the years, and had another injury, and an overall terrible year. Campbell is already 27, a UFA next summer, and has to get a starting job soon if he's ever going to get one. He's made like no money in his career too. Petersen is not some young prospect anymore. He's going to be 25 in October, and is already an RFA this summer. Contractually speaking, the Kings goaltending situation is sort of a mess. If Petersen was 3 or 4 years younger, no problem. If Quick's contract wasn't so long, no problem. If Campbell wasn't free to walk 12 months from now, no matter what the Kings may or may not want, no problem.

As with most things involving the Kings, everything in goal is basically the worst case scenario that could exist in the moment. You know, if Quick had a NMC, Campbell was a UFA now, and Petersen was already 28, that could be worse. Failing all that though, the Kings are probably not currently in a position of strength in terms of finding value in net.

Best bet is move Campbell and Petersen(eventually). Draft Knight. Kings aren't looking to be competitive soon anyway and Quick is the hardest piece to move of those 3.

 

[kilowatt]

If Brown wants to move to a team like Tampa, then that’s fine. But the worst decision in Kings history is stripping him of the C. Trading him would be a slap in the face to both him and the entire fanbase. If he wants to chase another cup and we can get good assets for him, that’s one thing. Dumping his contract is an entirely different issue that I wholeheartedly disagree with.

 

[BigKing]

I think Brown is 100% fine playing out his contract here regardless of the quality of the roster. If he has gas in the tank when his contract runs out, he will also be a guy willing to pull a Thornton and take a team friendly deal if they are a playoff team at that point.

He's the first King to lift the Cup. Team record for games played. He's eclipsed Taylor as the King of Kings unless you count DT's post playing career but, even then, Brown has the Cups on his resume. Just a guess but I think that means a lot to him. In a player entitlement age where guys will jump around for the most money, he seems like a guy that would prefer to keep his current lifestyle v. chasing another Cup.

That's something to think about with all of these guys and is a big reason why this entitlement thing has seeped in: they all want to win again but they've already won 2x. They are legends. They can say they want to win--which they do--but it is one thing to say it and another thing for their old bodies with tons of hard minutes on them to actually go out there and do it.

I think these guys were embarrassed by the Sutter and Lombardi firings--especially the latter--and took it to heart for that 2018 season. I don't know where that inspiration will come from ever again for this current core: especially 8 and 11. The only thing, in my opinion, is a roster that is filled more and more with hungry players that have never won a Cup that can bring some sort of infectious energy.

The current core is like if me and my buddies went out to a singles bar to pick up women. Some of us might still have it if we tried but it seems like a lot of work and most of us already have someone at home anyways. Sounds like a lot of fun until we get out there and realize we already did this shit and don't have to anymore. We would need some young, single idiots with us to make it fun.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

"Look at these f***ing guys."

Something we constantly say to ourselves when we watch the current Kings, but not in an endearing way.

 

[King'sPawn]

Remember guys, no matter how bad they perform, it’s only the preseason. They’ll turn it on during the season and playoffs, because that is what we’ve been assured would happen.

In case anyone wanted to know what the preseason standings looked like last year, here ya go.
https://www.foxsports.com/nhl/standings?season=2018&seasonType=3&grouping=4

And in 2017-18, Washington had the worst preseason record.

https://www.foxsports.com/nhl/standings?season=2017&seasonType=3&grouping=1

Remind me how they did last season?

Preseason is meaningless as a predictor.

 

[KINGS17]

Best bet is move Campbell and Petersen(eventually). Draft Knight. Kings aren't looking to be competitive soon anyway and Quick is the hardest piece to move of those 3.

One of Campbell or Petersen is going to be the bridge goalie to the end of Kopitar's contract.

Hopefully, they can move Quick in the summer, although moving Quick is another blow to the past culture because he competes so hard. There will probably be at least one taker.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

And in 2017-18, Washington had the worst preseason record.

https://www.foxsports.com/nhl/standings?season=2017&seasonType=3&grouping=1

Remind me how they did last season?

Preseason is meaningless as a predictor.

Not if you watched them play. Seemed like from training camp on, they had already mailed it in. Trotz wouldn't put up with that kind of laziness.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Losing in the preseason is one thing, but they were dogging it.

 

[Bandit]

And in 2017-18, Washington had the worst preseason record.

https://www.foxsports.com/nhl/standings?season=2017&seasonType=3&grouping=1

Remind me how they did last season?

Preseason is meaningless as a predictor.

W/L is meaningless, sure, but when the whole team is skating the entire preseason with a load in their shorts, you can tell there's a problem.

 

[tomd]

One of Campbell or Petersen is going to be the bridge goalie to the end of Kopitar's contract.

Hopefully, they can move Quick in the summer, although moving Quick is another blow to the past culture because he competes so hard. There will probably be at least one taker.

Calgary, Columbus (if they lose BOB), and Carolina seem to be the teams that would most be in the market for a goalie. Honestly not sure how much value Quick has. Big risk and possibly big reward for the team that takes him.

 

[King'sPawn]

W/L is meaningless, sure, but when the whole team is skating the entire preseason with a load in their shorts, you can tell there's a problem.

Right. But that's not the narrative being passed, at least not my interpretation.

 

[Piston]

If they can't trade Quick, you trade Campbell. Campbell isn't sticking around after next year unless they trade Petersen. Assuming Campbell plays well enough to get a good contract.

They're in a bad spot in terms of timing with the goalies. Quick is old, with the money, and the years, and had another injury, and an overall terrible year. Campbell is already 27, a UFA next summer, and has to get a starting job soon if he's ever going to get one. He's made like no money in his career too. Petersen is not some young prospect anymore. He's going to be 25 in October, and is already an RFA this summer. Contractually speaking, the Kings goaltending situation is sort of a mess. If Petersen was 3 or 4 years younger, no problem. If Quick's contract wasn't so long, no problem. If Campbell wasn't free to walk 12 months from now, no matter what the Kings may or may not want, no problem.

As with most things involving the Kings, everything in goal is basically the worst case scenario that could exist in the moment. You know, if Quick had a NMC, Campbell was a UFA now, and Petersen was already 28, that could be worse. Failing all that though, the Kings are probably not currently in a position of strength in terms of finding value in net.

Excellent analysis, IMO. An aging Quick who can't be traded until he rebuilds some value blocks both Campbell, given his age, and Petersen who is at an age where he needs to begin establishing himself as a#1.

There is an answer potentially, Spencer Knight, if the Kings move up 6-10 spots from 22. That would allow us to commit to either Campbell or Petersen as the future#1 and trade the other one (assuming Quick can't be moved).

 

[kilowatt]

Keep Quick, keep Carter, keep Phaneuf, we’re not getting anything for these well-over-30 guys. Let’s sell the guys between 25 and 30 that still have some value. Iafallo, Toffoli, Forbort, LaDue, Roy, Walker, and possibly Martinez, as the only guy over 30 we could reasonably trade for value.

 

[kingsfan28]

This is going to sting. Imoo was the jedi master with our goalies.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Not if you watched them play. Seemed like from training camp on, they had already mailed it in. Trotz wouldn't put up with that kind of laziness.

Yeah, after what this roster pulled this year, from day 1 of training camp to the last day of the season, what they do when camp 2019 opens is extremely important. It's sad that's where this team is at this point, but at the very least, practice has to be the most important thing they do. I hope TM runs them into the ground in practice, and then they're so tired that they can't win any actual games. The morning practice on game days, usually more of a walk through, TM has to grind them down. If the players need to know the "why" of that, hopefully TM shows them game video from 18-19. I'm a poor nobody with no real talent screaming on the internet who the players wouldn't give the time of day to, but that's where these highly paid professional men are at though. They did embarrass themselves this year.

I am fully on Team TM. Hopefully the players will listen, because they haven't listened to a coach for a long time.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Busy couple of weeks ahead.

 

[Choralone]

This is actually the first year I've really paid any attention to prospects and lists before the draft. Normally I wait until the draft occurs, read the little blurbs about the players we drafted, get some feedback on HF, and that's it. This is the first draft in a long time that has felt consequential enough to hook me early - because of the # 5 pick.

 

[Sol]

Best bet is move Campbell and Petersen(eventually). Draft Knight. Kings aren't looking to be competitive soon anyway and Quick is the hardest piece to move of those 3.

Selling out a blue chip goalie and a good back up for what reason exactly? This is an awful idea. Kings need to move or hold on money for Quick. At least get something for him. You don't know how long the Kings might be bad, why put yourself in a limbo if they get good and the goaltending is ass?


Nah.

 

[No Name The Nameless]

Best bet is move Campbell and Petersen(eventually). Draft Knight. Kings aren't looking to be competitive soon anyway and Quick is the hardest piece to move of those 3.

I like that idea if we can trade each of those goalies for a second round and also if Knight can be drafted in the second round.

 

[No Name The Nameless]

One of Campbell or Petersen is going to be the bridge goalie to the end of Kopitar's contract.

Hopefully, they can move Quick in the summer, although moving Quick is another blow to the past culture because he competes so hard. There will probably be at least one taker.

What are you looking to get in trade for Quick? A third?

 

[KINGS17]

What are you looking to get in trade for Quick? A third?

Who knows? Teams generally are looking for a goalie during the summer, unless their #1 goalie gets injured during the season. What is the point of hanging onto Quick?

 

[tomd]

Who knows? Teams generally are looking for a goalie during the summer, unless their #1 goalie gets injured during the season. What is the point of hanging onto Quick?

Actually in the present circumstances there is no reason but there are risks:
1. You are selling him at his lowest value right now
2. You run the risk of ruining Campbell or Peterson behind a potentially bad team if you refuse to improve the team in any other areas.

I know you’re willing to take the 2nd risk but I’m not sure about the first.