Value of: PIT's 2023 1st round pick.

[Soundgarden]

MAF fresh off of winning a Vezina got traded for a no namer, guess that means Saros will be too, I mean that's what MAF got............

Saros doesn't make 7M and Nashville doesn't need to move any cap. They hold all the cards, if they don't get what they want they'll keep Saros like they did with Ekholm and Jeannot. There's no reason to move him when we have a perfect situation with Saros and Askarov.

 

[PensandCaps]

Torrey Krug is your man. You can have him straight up for your 1st.

Probably the last thing they need. Best way to use Krug is to let him be the guy offensively with powerplay time, and with Letang here, Krug isn't gonna be able to be used to his best abilities.

And how often are goalies like Saros available? Schneider got a top ten pick and he had about a hundred less wins than Saros and zero top ten Vezina finishes.

okay, and a top 15 pick and few prospects isn't far off from a top ten pick.

 

[Soundgarden]

Probably the last thing they need. Best way to use Krug is to let him be the guy offensively with powerplay time, and with Letang here, Krug isn't gonna be able to be used to his best abilities.

okay, and a top 15 pick and few prospects isn't far off from a top ten pick.

We'd rather have Saros then a top 15 pick and random prospects.

We already have Tomasino, Askarov, Svechkov, L'Hereux, and Shaefer as recent 1sts and have 5 more firsts in the next three drafts.

Again, Pittsburgh just doesn't have what Nashville would want to give up Saros or Askarov, maybe once Crosby and Malkin retire.

 

[Wattsburgh]

I think the Penguins would have a better shot at poaching Askarov from the Predators than Saros with that 1st round pick.

Lmao. How is a mid 1st round suppose to help build a better future when the Penguins are all in right this minute while Crosby, Malkin and Letang are still star players? It's a crime against humanity that they still own that pick.

Ask Devils fans about Dawson Mercer (18th)
Ask Wild fans about Matthew Boldy (12th).
Ask Hurricanes fans about Seth Jarvis (13th).

All three are big contributors to their PLAYOFF squads. It’s not far off that number 14 can do the same all while helping the Penguins establish an identity via the draft again.

 

[Extra Texture]

The big issue here is Hextall, not Burke. He doesn't seem capable and/or willing to capitalize on the final years of Sid/Geno/Tanger

Then let’s wait a few more days bc I’m pretty sure Hextall is getting his pink slip this week.

But the fact is Burke will probably have to go too. He must’ve been on board with some or all of Hextall’s moves. Otherwise, I can’t figure out what was going on in that FO

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Saros doesn't make 7M and Nashville doesn't need to move any cap. They hold all the cards, if they don't get what they want they'll keep Saros like they did with Ekholm and Jeannot. There's no reason to move him when we have a perfect situation with Saros and Askarov.

Well that's pretty arbitrary isn't it? Based on his play and based on being a top 5 goalie which you defined as characteristics that would net him a blue chip player he should have been able to get a lot better than a no namer, even if he needed to be moved and made 2 million a year more than Saros.


So you won't be moving him then? Because no team will give up a Power or Sanderson or any other high end player for a goalie.

 

[Soundgarden]

Well that's pretty arbitrary isn't it? Based on his play and based on being a top 5 goalie which you defined as characteristics that would net him a blue chip player he should have been able to get a lot better than a no namer, even if he needed to be moved and made 2 million a year more than Saros.


So you won't be moving him then? Because no team will give up a Power or Sanderson or any other high end player for a goalie.

The circumstances were different, Vegas was in a cap crunch and the deal was widely vilified at the time because, like you said, they traded a Vezina winner for nothing.

Yes. This thread is a Pittsburgh fan asking for Saros, not the other way around. The price for Saros is high and they don't have attractive pieces to acquire him if we wanted to move him. Nashville fans don't want to move him without an elite prospect, young player or top pick coming back.

 

[Wattsburgh]

The circumstances were different, Vegas was in a cap crunch and the deal was widely vilified at the time because, like you said, they traded a Vezina winner for nothing.

Yes. This thread is a Pittsburgh fan asking for Saros, not the other way around. The price for Saros is high and they don't have attractive pieces to acquire him if we wanted to move him. Nashville fans don't want to move him without an elite prospect, young player or top pick coming back.

A Bluejackets fan would

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

The circumstances were different, Vegas was in a cap crunch and the deal was widely vilified at the time because, like you said, they traded a Vezina winner for nothing.

Yes. This thread is a Pittsburgh fan asking for Saros, not the other way around. The price for Saros is high and they don't have attractive pieces to acquire him if we wanted to move him. Nashville fans don't want to move him without an elite prospect, young player or top pick coming back.

Yes they were and circumstances were different, still even after winning a Vezina as a goalie his value was not much, even in a position where he needed to be moved. His value was very low, because he's a goalie, you think a dman who just won the Norris, or a forward that just won a selke or hart or rocket gets traded for a crap return like that? Absolutely not. The position dictated more than anything else the return.

That's great, again Nashville fans don't set the market nor control the team and just because you want that doesn't mean it comes true, in fact it's quite the opposite. No goalie gets that much, period. It doesn't happen.

 

[Gliff]

Cap dump might be harsh but he’s certainly a reclamation project with some upside who’s worth pursuing as long as the price makes sense.

I’m sorry but I just don’t buy that.

Watch the Ducks games and see that he is literally left out to dry for 40+ shots a night every night.

Verbeek has said piblically that you don’t trade a #1 goalie, Gibson has never requested a trade, and he clearly is not the problem. Shit, he almost ruined the tank with his play post allstar break.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

I think some folks are missing the point about Saros. He's simply not available. Arguing past precedents is meaningless. Go ask the Rangers fans what it would take to get Shesterkin, or the Isles fans what it would take to get Sorokin, or the Stars fans Oettinger, etc. These guys simply aren't on the market. So if you come to their fans asking about them, we're going to say you'd have to offer something that sets a new precedent, something that would truly be too good to turn down. And no team out there has sufficient motive to make an offer of that magnitude. There are other ways to get a goalie. So instead of arguing about values, just cross him off your list and move on.

 

[John Mandalorian]

I’m sorry but I just don’t buy that.

Watch the Ducks games and see that he is literally left out to dry for 40+ shots a night every night.

Verbeek has said piblically that you don’t trade a #1 goalie, Gibson has never requested a trade, and he clearly is not the problem. Shit, he almost ruined the tank with his play post allstar break.

You still have to produce. At the end of the day, he's a .900 goalie making over 6M.

Will his term even align with Anaheim's rebuild?

 

[Gliff]

You still have to produce. At the end of the day, he's a .900 goalie making over 6M.

Will his term even align with Anaheim's rebuild?

You say .900 like that’s a bad thing lol. Did you watch the Ducks play this year? It’s a miracle and a testament to him that he had a 900 save percentage.

In the end the Ducks don’t want to trade him and he doesn’t want to go. Some fans want to move in since Dostal is waiting, but I think most would have no desire to dump him.

And what does his cap even matter? Have you seen the Ducks cap?

 

[John Mandalorian]

You say .900 like that’s a bad thing lol. Did you watch the Ducks play this year? It’s a miracle and a testament to him that he had a 900 save percentage.

In the end the Ducks don’t want to trade him and he doesn’t want to go. Some fans want to move in since Dostal is waiting, but I think most would have no desire to dump him.

And what does his cap even matter? Have you seen the Ducks cap?

You're going the "trust me because you didn't watch" route? That's original.

You can't expect for other teams to pay a premium for his lack of production.

It's like you have a car. You haven't taken care of it. So it has lost value. A mechanic is interested in buying the car from you. Would you then expect him to pay the same for the car as if he had been taking care of it?

 

[Gliff]

You're going the "trust me because you didn't watch" route? That's original.

You can't expect for other teams to pay a premium for his lack of production.

No, I’m going the “no one wants to end this relationship except fans of other teams so why the hell and I having to justify how good he is to a fan who wants to acquire him for literally nothing” route.

I didn’t start this thread or demand any premium so why don’t you stop acting like I did.

 

[John Mandalorian]

No, I’m going the “no one wants to end this relationship except fans of other teams so why the hell and I having to justify how good he is to a fan who wants to acquire him for literally nothing” route.

I didn’t start this thread or demand any premium so why don’t you stop acting like I did.

Really? You don't want to see him traded no matter what's offered?

 

[orby]

I think the only way Pittsburgh could get a really big fish with their first is to add Guentzel, and at that point, they're cutting off their nose to spite their face.

 

[Mike Jones]

How is a mid 1st round suppose to help build a better future when the Penguins are all in right this minute while Crosby, Malkin and Letang are still star players? It's a crime against humanity that they still own that pick.

If you don't know how a first round pick can help build a better future for a team maybe you should learn more about the draft and how it helps teams.

 

[Gliff]

Really? You don't want to see him traded no matter what's offered?

You know there is a difference between being untouchable and not looking to trade him right?

Ya I have no interest in trade him in a package with Henrique for a 1st.

 

[John Mandalorian]

You know there is a difference between being untouchable and not looking to trade him right?

Ya I have no interest in trade him in a package with Henrique for a 1st.

But didn't you just say you're not interested in trading him?

 

[Gliff]

But didn't you just say you're not interested in trading him?

Are you intentionally being obtuse or lacking the mental capacity to understand what I am saying?

 

[Goalie_Bob]

I think some folks are missing the point about Saros. He's simply not available. Arguing past precedents is meaningless. Go ask the Rangers fans what it would take to get Shesterkin, or the Isles fans what it would take to get Sorokin, or the Stars fans Oettinger, etc. These guys simply aren't on the market. So if you come to their fans asking about them, we're going to say you'd have to offer something that sets a new precedent, something that would truly be too good to turn down. And no team out there has sufficient motive to make an offer of that magnitude. There are other ways to get a goalie. So instead of arguing about values, just cross him off your list and move on.

^^^^This times a million. If Askarov was actually ready to be the #1, then that would be a different story. But he isn't, he is still a prospect and he hasn't shown yet that he is ready to take over and be a #1 goalie in the NHL. Everyone assumes Saros has to be moved, especially after next season when he has 1 year left on his contract but I think he has a much greater chance of being resigned than he does to being traded.

As someone mentioned, the Pens or any team have a much higher chance to trade for Askarov than they do Saros.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Are you intentionally being obtuse or lacking the mental capacity to understand what I am saying?

There's a word for what you're doing: Posturing.

 

[Gliff]

There's a word for what you're doing. It's called posturing.

And you are arguing in bad faith looking for a gotcha moment. I'm done with this.

 

[SomeDude]

Fellas, fellas, can we get back to the topic at hand: What overpaid mediocre player can the Pens add to their dumpster fire for our 1st?

Think St. Louis would give Kapanen back? 3rd time is a charm.