Confirmed with Link: [PIT/MTL] Jeff Petry and Ryan Poehling for Mike Matheson and 4th PIT 2023

[Andy]

Booooo. We got a cap dump and a 4th for two assets with actual value. Awful trade. Matheson isn't good, he's way overpaid, and he's signed longer. Huge loss on this trade.

$1.5m of extra cap space for the next few years isn't worth the extra year of Matheson's anchor.

Two assets of actual value? Were you not aware that Petry wanting to bail at his age and contract actually meant he had little value?

 

[admiralcadillac]

Pretty bad deal. I guess Petry wanted to be traded before the season starts. But to be honest i would have preferred to give him for nothing. Matheson's contract is not great either. Pens is a very well managed team no doubt about it.

Why? Matheson is younger and brings a lot of what Petry does

 

[Adam Michaels]

Matheson f***ing blows at least Petry will somewhat bounce back.

But he had a good season this year ... 1 after 10 years

Are you guys in favor of picking high in next year's draft? If yes, then you should embrace Matheson.

 

[jrom]

The point is the Habs probably don't need to clear cap (at least not immediately). Vegas did and I presume SJ was afraid Burns would start to fade and they would be stuck with him for 2-3 years. Now if HuGo and St Louis saw signs of regression in Petry's play last season then it was a good move.

They’re making sure the locker room is filled with players happy to be there.

Petry was becoming a distraction, like PLD must be in WPG now

Also we do need to clear cap in order to sign Dach & Monty.

 

[Adriatic]

I thought trade was ok. I would probably have waited till trade deadline but obviously Hughes wanted to create space on his cap immediately and probably didn't want Petry back around the team after it was made public he wanted out. He got some space on the cap and got a serviceable D to play in the lineup and mentor kids. You can't have 6 rookies on d either. What's the big deal??

 

[SwiftyHab]

Jeff Petry with Montreal

Age 28 - 16 points
Age 29 - 29 points
Age 30 - 42 points
Age 31 -46 points
Age 32 -40 points
Age 33 -42 points in 55 games.

Here's an exciting thing for me, Matheson numbers before coming to Montreal are actually
BETTER than Jeff Petry with the Oilers...

Mike Matheson

Age 27 - 31 points


Let's see how he does from age 28 to 34..,.,.,i got a good feeling here.

Absolutely great point. Petry was basically given to us for a 2nd rounder from Edmonton Before he peaked.

 

[Natey]

Two assets of actual value? Were you not aware that Petry wanting to bail at his age and contract actually meant he had little value?

And coming off a horrific season.

 

[JianYang]

Retiring or playing are the only options if he is not injured.

If he is not injured, he plays. If he is unable to play due to injury, he goes on LTIR. That's about as simple as I can put it.

There's no formal retirement in the cards unless he's fine with letting 30+ million US dollars burn away.

 

[Sam de Mtl]

After the initial shock of the trade, this is actually pretty good. I think most of us were hoping to get a first in a trade. Obviously, that wasn't gonna happen in the off season as we could all see that high salary players had no value at this point in time. To make it happen, we would have needed to hold on to him until the trade deadline. That could have brought bad blood and is generally not great to go against the wishes of a player for a long time. Especially since his wishes are family oriented. People getting on him are dumb. His reasons are valid.

By trading him, Hughes showed class and a willingness to work with the players. A positive reputation can help eventually when trying to sign players.

On top of that, Matheson is actually a good player. As others have said, younger and cheaper. He is from here, which is nice. If he fits, he can be here for a long time.

So if we analyze value of Matheson and Petry, it is close enough. Matheson doesn't want us to trade him, so that is a more comfortable situation.

Poehling for a 4th isn't great, but the reality of it is Pittsburgh probably wanted a sweetener to make the deal. Oh well. He was expandable, even though I think he still has some potential.

The Petry trade was never gonna be a hugely important trade for the rebuild. I'm satisfied coming out of it with a good piece that can help for a while and either fit the core or be traded for what will most likely be a decent return later.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Pens fans were treating him as a cap dump. I’ll take their word over yours.

He was also awful in Florida. Pittsburgh hated him also. You can even look on the main board trade when Matheson was signed , people were laughing at the money and terms.

Just the same people here having 1 average season and Kent Hugues saying hes good to make them sure he's a sureshot.

He's awful.

 

[PecnoTrunk]

Absolutely great point. Petry was basically given to us for a 2nd rounder from Edmonton Before he peaked.

Petry didn’t want to play in Edmonton anymore so they traded him before he walked. Petry almost didn’t come to montreal

It was petry dad who convinced petry son to go to Montreal because petry dad played professionally baseball and he always loved Montreal

Fact

 

[Tyson]

Matheson, Dadonov and Hoffman all teammates in Florida

 

[aresknights]

Are you kidding me !!! Petry said he didn’t want to play in Canada. Why you choose to disregard

You disregard he did resign in Canada also lol.
Not sure if ya realized what's been going on for 2 yrs bit maybe that played a role?????????

 

[Adam Michaels]

Matheson, Dadonov and Hoffman all teammates in Florida

So it's only fitting we also have Florida's 1st round pick next year.

 

[CanadienShark]

Two assets of actual value? Were you not aware that Petry wanting to bail at his age and contract actually meant he had little value?

He's a good player who's worth his cap hit and is signed for fewer years. That's a hell of a lot more valuable than a worse player signed for not much less, who is also signed longer.

 

[26Mats]

Watching Marinaro's sick podcast with a Penguins analytics guest.

Says Matheson's game really took off last year.

Well, being a great skater, it actually sounds similar to Petry's career - a great skater who started to really put it together in his late twenties... we'll see...

 

[WinterLion]

This is a fair deal for both teams. Obviously it's not exciting or spectacular, but it a good move long term for both teams. I hope Petry the best. He has been a great player for us.

 

[PecnoTrunk]

You disregard he did resign in Canada also lol.
Not sure if ya realized what's been going on for 2 yrs bit maybe that played a role?????????

On his dads insistence !! Look it up

Petry almost didn’t want to play in Montréal he wanted Detroit.

It was petry dad that convinced him to play in Montréal

Fact

His wife didn’t

 

[Belial]

Exactly. Hughes accomplished the two things he wanted to do:

1- Trade Petry without retaining any salary.
2 - Acquire a vet D to replace those minutes and to help not have to rush any prospects that aren't ready for those roles.

If Hughes was not going to get Matheson in return, he would look to acquire a vet D another way. This way, he checked both boxes in one move.

I mean he said he's even looking to add an RD vet on top of it, so clearly, his plan from the start was not to just get rid of Petry's cap.

He was targetting vet D's back.

We can expect the majority of our young D's starting in Laval in October.

 

[jrom]

That’s more or less the way I see it, sorry if you disagree.

it’s pure speculation

 

[WinterLion]

Watching Marinaro's sick podcast with a Penguins analytics guest.

Says Matheson's game really took off last year.

Well, being a great skater, it actually sounds similar to Petry's career - a great skater who started to really put it together in his late twenties... we'll see...

Hughes knows Matheson very well and insisted on getting him... I think this will work out ok.

 

[PecnoTrunk]

Anyways. Have a great day guys

 

[Andy]

He's a good player who's worth his cap hit and is signed for fewer years. That's a hell of a lot more valuable than a worse player signed for not much less, who is also signed longer.

If Petry had value he would have gotten a good return. He’s been shopped for a half a year with not many takers. This trade represents his value which is very little.

 

[No More Subban]

After the initial shock of the trade, this is actually pretty good. I think most of us were hoping to get a first in a trade. Obviously, that wasn't gonna happen in the off season as we could all see that high salary players had no value at this point in time. To make it happen, we would have needed to hold on to him until the trade deadline. That could have brought bad blood and is generally not great to go against the wishes of a player for a long time. Especially since his wishes are family oriented. People getting on him are dumb. His reasons are valid.

By trading him, Hughes showed class and a willingness to work with the players. A positive reputation can help eventually when trying to sign players.

On top of that, Matheson is actually a good player. As others have said, younger and cheaper. He is from here, which is nice. If he fits, he can be here for a long time.

So if we analyze value of Matheson and Petry, it is close enough. Matheson doesn't want us to trade him, so that is a more comfortable situation.

Poehling for a 4th isn't great, but the reality of it is Pittsburgh probably wanted a sweetener to make the deal. Oh well. He was expandable, even though I think he still has some potential.

The Petry trade was never gonna be a hugely important trade for the rebuild. I'm satisfied coming out of it with a good piece that can help for a while and either fit the core or be traded for what will most likely be a decent return later.

Very well said! Great point on Hughes. That's professionalism right there. Already thinking about the locker room.

And definitely, I think we would all want players who actually want to play in Montreal.

 

[DougHarvey]

Let’s stop with this “left handed Petry” crap. Petry had 4 consecutive 40+ point seasons before this year which was in rare company. Matheson has a career high of 31.

And Petry's 40+ point seasons all came after he turned 30. So what's your point ?

At 28 years old Petry had 28 points in 80 games